-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Rhythm Tengoku: The Best+ |Import OT| The music plays on and on
- Thread starter The Bankslammer
- Start date
Completed the main story, and these are some of my thoughts:
As it says, being a "Best+" title, that is what it is, and it doesn't go too far to make itself unique. That being said, I think the new rhythm games are fun. I could play the sumo one all day. And they never fail to make new rhythm games that are just surreal. The ones they picked from the past are pretty good. Obviously, there are some I would have preferred that didn't make it in (Bon Odori, Hanabi, or Toss Boys from GBA, for example), but there were nice surprises as well.
The controls fixes the timing problems I had in Fever because of the squishiness of the A button on the Wiimote, but I still vastly prefer the touchscreen controls in Gold. I ended up using the simple touch mode for some of the games that don't require anything other than the A button press or hold, and it just feels so much better. In merging the gameplay from the three previous systems, there's definitely something lost from each, and the game doesn't really define its own "groove." It does the job and that's about it.
I have mixed feelings of the new scoring system. On the one hand, it makes the grading tiers more lenient which I can't say I dislike. But it does make getting medals really easy and there's less satisfaction in that now.
I think the game having no rhythm toys and very few endless games (the only one that's fun in this one is bacteria doc) make this title seem rather short on replayability. GBA and Gold are still the best in this regard. There's quite a bit of unlockable stuff for sure, but getting more rhythm games that are not part of the main story is done through getting perfects, and the other stuff is done by grinding for coins. In inverting the reward system, it feels like a chore, as opposed to the previous games because perfects were for unlocking non-important bonus content like the music tracks and for 100%-ing the game. The challenge train stuff is fun, but you need coins to play them.
The story and characterizations they added to the game are substantial and it is pretty cute and funny, but then again, you can argue as to whether this was even necessary to begin with and all of the dialogue does slow the game progression quite a bit. I think a lot of the enjoyment factor is in the dialogue -- the story, the chats in the cafe, and some rhythm games like the alien encounter one, and you miss quite a bit if you don't understand it.
As it says, being a "Best+" title, that is what it is, and it doesn't go too far to make itself unique. That being said, I think the new rhythm games are fun. I could play the sumo one all day. And they never fail to make new rhythm games that are just surreal. The ones they picked from the past are pretty good. Obviously, there are some I would have preferred that didn't make it in (Bon Odori, Hanabi, or Toss Boys from GBA, for example), but there were nice surprises as well.
The controls fixes the timing problems I had in Fever because of the squishiness of the A button on the Wiimote, but I still vastly prefer the touchscreen controls in Gold. I ended up using the simple touch mode for some of the games that don't require anything other than the A button press or hold, and it just feels so much better. In merging the gameplay from the three previous systems, there's definitely something lost from each, and the game doesn't really define its own "groove." It does the job and that's about it.
I have mixed feelings of the new scoring system. On the one hand, it makes the grading tiers more lenient which I can't say I dislike. But it does make getting medals really easy and there's less satisfaction in that now.
I think the game having no rhythm toys and very few endless games (the only one that's fun in this one is bacteria doc) make this title seem rather short on replayability. GBA and Gold are still the best in this regard. There's quite a bit of unlockable stuff for sure, but getting more rhythm games that are not part of the main story is done through getting perfects, and the other stuff is done by grinding for coins. In inverting the reward system, it feels like a chore, as opposed to the previous games because perfects were for unlocking non-important bonus content like the music tracks and for 100%-ing the game. The challenge train stuff is fun, but you need coins to play them.
The story and characterizations they added to the game are substantial and it is pretty cute and funny, but then again, you can argue as to whether this was even necessary to begin with and all of the dialogue does slow the game progression quite a bit. I think a lot of the enjoyment factor is in the dialogue -- the story, the chats in the cafe, and some rhythm games like the alien encounter one, and you miss quite a bit if you don't understand it.
really interesting impressions, it's sounding like a divisive entry, at least in some respects
i still haven't seen any significant video footage outside of that first announcement bit during the jp direct but it's good to hear the new games are up to snuff
i guess the only thing i'm worried about is that the artstyle will clash with previous games. again, i'm basing this entirely on what i saw in that first video snippet from the direct. do you guys think the new minigames stand out in any way, art-wise, or is it just more takeuchi goodness?
i still haven't seen any significant video footage outside of that first announcement bit during the jp direct but it's good to hear the new games are up to snuff
i guess the only thing i'm worried about is that the artstyle will clash with previous games. again, i'm basing this entirely on what i saw in that first video snippet from the direct. do you guys think the new minigames stand out in any way, art-wise, or is it just more takeuchi goodness?
The Bankslammer
Member
the art is takeuchi as fuck. and there's lots of it.
honestly, i think the new games are some of the most charming and funny in the whole series. it's also super great to have a collection of so many great games from throughout the series, it makes for a ton of content overall. but i feel like how the returning games were handled is also kinda misdirected. i would've much rather seen them featured in new remixes or new sequel versions than the weird tutorial prequel versions.
to be totally straight with you, i wasn't in love with what i saw of the game in the reveal trailer, so i tempered my expectations from the start. but i ended up very pleasantly surprised.
honestly, i think the new games are some of the most charming and funny in the whole series. it's also super great to have a collection of so many great games from throughout the series, it makes for a ton of content overall. but i feel like how the returning games were handled is also kinda misdirected. i would've much rather seen them featured in new remixes or new sequel versions than the weird tutorial prequel versions.
to be totally straight with you, i wasn't in love with what i saw of the game in the reveal trailer, so i tempered my expectations from the start. but i ended up very pleasantly surprised.
TheSlySoul
Member
Yeah after playing it a bit the few odd choices still makes Gold the best version, but I would rank Best over the original and Fever.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I guess I'm one of the few that never find DS really good and even rank it as the least great RH.
The Bankslammer
Member
god i fucking love the clapping cats. i love it so much. i'm soooooo fucking glad i didn't get that one spoiled. was stifling my goddamn laughter in public when i first played it.
chronic_archaic
Member
About to try this out... loved the DS game and Wii game wasn't too bad either. Hope I get addicted again.
chronic_archaic
Member
This new ranking system is gonna make me quite anal... but otherwise, fantastic. I'm sure this has been asked but what do I do with all the coins I'm getting?
Masked Man
I said wow
I played the arcade version of Rhythm Heaven several times, but I never owned the GBA or Wii games, so even though I know most of the recurring mini-games, this is actually my first time playing a good portion of them. 
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I wish there's a video of the clapping cats
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
Totally disagree.
I've been a huge fan of the series since Gold released on GBA and it doesn't mean the games can't evolve with an endless mode for when you "beat" the game, same thing that irks me in Warioware games... they just don't think it's important, again NES Remix is another proof of that, how could they fail to provide leaderboards in a score attack based game? The smallest indies can have leaderboards, I'm sure Nintendo can sort it out as well.
But hey, I'm super happy we got another game in the series and hopefully we'll hear about its localization's plans during Treehouse' live.
I told myself I'd hold out for a local release, but after watching the remixes I'm convinced. This will be the first game I import from Japan.
TheSlySoul
Member
Pay for challenge guards, train challenge attempts, and items at the shop.
The last 2 are optional, but the challenge guardians are required.
You can get orbs via train challenge or perfect runs to buy mini-games.
sixteen-bit
Member
Just be sure you have a 3DS capable of playing Japanese games (either homebrew or JP hardware) as games are region-locked.
TheSlySoul
Member
Ok, Built to Scale and Samurai are both Fever version. The Wii games are definitely the most in this game.
This is so good! I loved when the cats were randomly replaced by mice for one bar haha.
TheSlySoul
Member
Challenge mode adds so much to the game.
The songs on fast forward are pretty great.
The songs on fast forward are pretty great.
Toadthemushroom
Member
Did anyone else tear up to one of the new rhythm games with the bears?
The build up to 58 seconds was just too much to me, in the end I had tears streaming down my face when playing it. But I hope I'm not the only one!
The build up to 58 seconds was just too much to me, in the end I had tears streaming down my face when playing it. But I hope I'm not the only one!
Yeah it´s like the arcade game of the first Rhythm Tengoku. It´s absolutely wonderful.
Fast mode is so much fun.
Right now I´m struggling to get a perfect on remix car. I´ve had it appear twice just to taunt me. The part with the light bulbs is totally owning me.
I just did it in fast mode as well, haha, not a chance. I love this, it reminds me of the first game and it´s difficulty with the drum sessions.
And I haven´t even tried playing multiplayer yet. This will probably be my number one 3ds game.
TheSlySoul
Member
The Perfect Monster challenge (where the TV keeps shrinking) is so intense. I can breathe after the song stops.
Any tips for medaling Ninja? It is the only one I have not done.
Any tips for medaling Ninja? It is the only one I have not done.
minor effort
Banned
It wasn't too horrible, but it is kind of tedious when I just want to progress from one game to the next. It kind of detracts from the simplicity and clarity of purpose the previous games had.
ShadowElliot
Banned
Whoa, that's cute! I can imagine myself playing that over and over again.
It's annoying and shouldn't be in there.
The game is fun besides all that annoying text stuff.
It's just keeping me away from playing the actual game.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Yeah, the kaiju ones are intense. I beat one just by a hair.
For Ninja you just need to match the rhythm of the arrows.
The Bankslammer
Member
just fuck me up
liking challenge train more and more. some of this stuff is really testing me, lol.
god there's a lot to do in this game
edit: oh god i just got to the final world I WANT TO GET OFF THIS RIDE
THIS SHOULDN'T BE LEGAL
MaverickHunterAsh
Member
This is incredible, oh my god. One of the best rhythm games I've seen in any Rhythm Heaven title to date, and that's a very tall order.
This is just brilliant... and genuinely touching, especially the twist at the end!
Why would you do that?
Member
I gave names to the remixes.
Treemix
Tangerimix
Beemix
Automobimix
Treemix
Tangerimix
Beemix
Automobimix
Krispy Kremix
The Bankslammer
Member
allow me to save you some future stress:
some single button games, like rhythm pluck and interpreter, allow you to use both the A button and the d-pad for input. it's extremely difficult to complete some of the tempo-up perfect challenges using just a single button for input, so be sure to make use of this!
some single button games, like rhythm pluck and interpreter, allow you to use both the A button and the d-pad for input. it's extremely difficult to complete some of the tempo-up perfect challenges using just a single button for input, so be sure to make use of this!
cj_iwakura
Member
Why would you do that?
Member
Oh, that's good to know, thanks! Though I'm going to forever call the doughnut one Krispy Kremix lol. Nice to see that there are ten remixes total.
By the way, I've been looking at videos of the game and was wondering, does anyone know what the menu options are after you beat a train challenge?
The Bankslammer
Member
Keep playing, quit
Then if you select keep playing:
Same course, different course
god, everything in the final world is "they want me to do WHAT?" feels good to get owned by a rhythm heaven game again
ladyluthien
Member
I just finished playing the demo and I couldn't stop smiling and bopping my head. I need this game now. Might just buy it from the e-shop instead of importing.
The Bankslammer
Member
O-OH MY GOD THE FINAL CHALLENGE TRAIN COURSE
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
THIS IS A REALLY REALLY GOOD SURPRISE SO CLICK AT YOUR OWN RISK
http://i.imgur.com/UWl7XQa.jpg
I'M SORRY I JUST STARTED IT AND MARKED THE FUCK OUT THERE'S 4 GAMES LIKE THIS AND I'LL TAKE GOOD PICS SOON
edit: OH MY GOD THERE'S A SECOND COURSE LIKE IT
yeah photos aren't gonna do it justice i need to take a video of this asap
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
THIS IS A REALLY REALLY GOOD SURPRISE SO CLICK AT YOUR OWN RISK
http://i.imgur.com/UWl7XQa.jpg
I'M SORRY I JUST STARTED IT AND MARKED THE FUCK OUT THERE'S 4 GAMES LIKE THIS AND I'LL TAKE GOOD PICS SOON
edit: OH MY GOD THERE'S A SECOND COURSE LIKE IT
yeah photos aren't gonna do it justice i need to take a video of this asap
ShadowElliot
Banned
I know Nintendo will announce localization, if not during the Digital Event, then by Treehouse Live. I've been watching bits and bits of this game and I'm getting more hyped by the day.
silverhick
Member
I had to click because I may not ever be good enough to get to it. That's awesome! So... is it just the character or the song too?
And the whole game is higher-resolution!
AzureTranquility95
Banned
Waaait a second. Was it possible to use both A and the D-Pad for Rhythm Pluck in the original Rhythm Tengoku?
Yes.
//ようこそ。[;
Welcome.[;
//Ａボタン、または十字ボタンで　毛をぬいてネ！[;
// --- Literal
//Pluck/pull the hairs with the A or directional buttons
Dr. Buni
Member
Foxuzamaki is going to be happy.
Cross-quoting from media create thread
Looks like the game could be a hit. Hope it sells enough to guarantee the viability of the series.
Looks like the game could be a hit. Hope it sells enough to guarantee the viability of the series.