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[mario_O]

Just finished watching the Direct, oh my, It's the worst Nintendo E3 I've ever watched. The WiiU is officially dead. And the 3DS too.

 

[linkboy]

Problem with the show was a lack of new Wii U announcements. I get that the market has spoken and that they need to feature 3DS games more. It makes good business sense, but also makes these presentations less exciting.

That being said, the Wii U 2015 games we already know about are coming along nicely. I suggest everybody watch the Treehouse demo of Star Fox Zero. It really does look like the next gen Star Fox 64 we've been asking for all these years. Yoshi looks better and better with each reveal. The highlight for me, though, was definitely seeing the original level design sketches for SMB and how they've inspired Super Mario Maker; that was awesome!

Overall, this was still much better than 2008 presentation. I'd compare it to the 2012 show: lots of cool Miyamoto stuff, but no new exciting announcements for the home console. It was more like a pretty good Direct than E3, really.

There's nothing that Nintendo could announce that will salvage the mess that the Wii U is.

That's the problem. The Wii U, as great as the games on it have been from Nintendo, has pretty much been floundering this entire gen. Nobody gives two shits about it, 3rd parties don't and consumers don't.

Releasing a Metroid game for it from Retro (for example) would do Nintendo no good, as it wouldn't sell all that well (being released on a dead platform) and then push Retro's next game back for the next console (where it might have a better chance of selling).

 

[GameGuru59]

Fire Miyamoto?

this thread is ridiculous

That's an understatement. I gave up on expecting to be hyped for Nintendo stuff after 2013. I come in with no expectations anymore.

 

[krizzx]

Let me preface this by saying I'm the biggest Nintendo fan boy you'll ever meet. I don't plan on selling my Wii U or whatever. I do need to get a New 3DS since my old one has a broken circle pad.

I think this event really sums up where Nintendo is. The Wii U is, for all intents and purposes, dead. They'll release what they have to just to keep their heads above water. They'll do what they can to maximize profits. (That's why we see so much Amiibo integration.)

The biggest takeaway is that Nintendo simply cannot support two devices on their own. I think the NX has to be a hybrid console/handheld. I think they have the resources to support one system on their own without too much trouble.

It doesn't matter what Nintendo releases hardware wise. The 3rd parties are not going to come back. It'll be three games since EA sports has supported the Nintendo home console (Madden/FIFA 14, 15, 16). It's now lacking the last two CoDs. With the exception of Just Dance 16, I don't think there was a single 3rd party game announced for Wii U this E3. These companies aren't just going to rush back until the player base is there.

I think that's why this even really showed how Nintendo is caught between a rock and a hard place. As a business, they have to salvage what they can. However, they can't afford to invest money in games that aren't going to sell at all. Then, they have to make sure they don't tick off the people who have invested in their platforms.

It's for the last reason that I think this even failed so hard. They showed what they had, but what they had is not acceptable while still marketing the device. They needed to open up some more Virtual Console stuff at least. They need something to satisfy those who have bought the system. Something. Anything, really.

They didn't do it with this conference. They just managed to tick off everyone.

Yeah, this sounds about right.

 

[test_account]

I have to admit that i found the digital event to be somewhat boring, but thinking about the new releases, i dont think it was that bad. I also really liked the segment regarding the Super Mario Bros 1 developement

 

[Japanmanx3]

Other than Retro being MIA, I thought it was a good conference. There weren't any huge surprises, but the games shown look fun and creative. And I'm more tempted than ever to get a 3DS.

After the glory of the Sony Presser I was very calmed. I was pretty sure Ninty wouldn't show me anything that would make me geek more than last night. But it was a straight press event. Starfox looking darn good.

 

[outunderthestars]

So nothing announced that would require the New 3DS?

 

[vinnygambini]

Iwata:

Thanks for watching. Received lots of opinions, will work to meet everyone's expectations better in the future.

Courtesy of Streets

 

[ErrorMacro]

For me, personally, this was the worst Nintendo E3 since 2008. And I was with very low expectations.

The only interesting announcement was Mario & Luigi x Paper Mario. The 3DS Metroid Prime was a slap in the face.

 

[Not]

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/06/16/e3-2015-the-legend-of-zelda-still-coming-to-wii-u

Zelda U still coming

As an NX port

 

[krizzx]

Iwata:


Courtesy of Streets

Iwata wasn't there other than the puppet voice over.

As an NX port

Its coming to the Wii U as an NX port? That doesn't make sense. That would mean that the NX is less powerful than the Wii U.

 

[Vanillalite]

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/06/16/e3-2015-the-legend-of-zelda-still-coming-to-wii-u

Zelda U still coming

Again this is the same crew that told us it's a 2015 title.

It might be a wii u game, it might be NX, or it could be cross gen.

Taking Nintendo's word on this after the last time is moot though.

 

[CANLI]

The day Iwata and Miyamoto leave is the day I will sign off on Nintendo forever. They are that is keeping it alive if you ask me.

Don't agree at all with what you say. Everything in this world go fast and Nintendo bosses can't keep the pace anymore. They aren't enough ready with the changement and technology.
Ahh I forgot Shibata too, the pseudo-european ninty president who were using a JPN 3ds during an old direct presentation...(what a mess) while consoles are region locked. It's a shame..

 

[Godzilla's Left Toe]

Given the swan song presentation for the Wii U, the next Zelda has got to be in development for NX now

While Nintendo is not going to say they are canceling the Wii U version now but

We're here to talk about Star Fox but Zelda is still coming to Wii U," Miyamoto said through an interpreter, "so don't worry about that."

Miyamoto continued, "My thing with E3 is that we always focus on what's coming out in the immediate future. We have some really great Zelda footage and, at some point we will be showing that off, but not today."

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/06...+twitter&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

 

[B.O.O.M]

By the way what is the nonsense about others not showing games that are not out soon? The only way this is going to be true is if you start cherry picking because factually it's just not true.

 

[thecouncil]

What a weird perspective you had. There were plenty of new announcements there.

But they weren't good enough. We wanted a new Retro Metroid and a new EAD1 Mario. Then, we also wanted tons of games of the same quality for the NX launch, presumably around the same time! Nintendo failed to deliver.

 

[User 463088]

For those saying that E3 isn't the only time to announce games, while I agree, I think that it's missing the point, though. If a developer doesn't announce during E3, it's typically to avoid getting buried among all the other games coming out for the platform.

Nintendo doesn't have that issue. No one else is flooding the Wii U with content. It's not like they wouldn't announce a Metroid FPS because Call of Duty is coming out on their system. They have basically no competition at all on their platform.

My take is they'll launch what they promised last year with just enough filler to allow for plausible deniability that the system is dead. ("It's not dead! See, we have Mario Tennis coming out!")

What I"m most surprised about is that they haven't yet announced anymore Wii titles for the Wii U Virtual Console. The code runs without them really doing anything at all. That's pure profit. There's no reason that most first party Wii titles aren't out there. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on N64, SNES and NES, since they do have to do some coding there. The Wii games would be pure profit.

 

[iori9999]

Let me preface this by saying I'm the biggest Nintendo fan boy you'll ever meet. I don't plan on selling my Wii U or whatever. I do need to get a New 3DS since my old one has a broken circle pad.

I think this event really sums up where Nintendo is. The Wii U is, for all intents and purposes, dead. They'll release what they have to just to keep their heads above water. They'll do what they can to maximize profits. (That's why we see so much Amiibo integration.)

The biggest takeaway is that Nintendo simply cannot support two devices on their own. I think the NX has to be a hybrid console/handheld. I think they have the resources to support one system on their own without too much trouble.

It doesn't matter what Nintendo releases hardware wise. The 3rd parties are not going to come back. It'll be three games since EA sports has supported the Nintendo home console (Madden/FIFA 14, 15, 16). It's now lacking the last two CoDs. With the exception of Just Dance 16, I don't think there was a single 3rd party game announced for Wii U this E3. These companies aren't just going to rush back until the player base is there.

I think that's why this even really showed how Nintendo is caught between a rock and a hard place. As a business, they have to salvage what they can. However, they can't afford to invest money in games that aren't going to sell at all. Then, they have to make sure they don't tick off the people who have invested in their platforms.

It's for the last reason that I think this even failed so hard. They showed what they had, but what they had is not acceptable while still marketing the device. They needed to open up some more Virtual Console stuff at least. They need something to satisfy those who have bought the system. Something. Anything, really.

They didn't do it with this conference. They just managed to tick off everyone.

This is a gdlk post..

 

[Disaster Nebraska]

isn't this the truth. Nintendo shows up with real fucking video games that you will play in the near future and it's the worst presentation they've had in years?

Every single game they've shown will be a product you can buy before any of the big announcements at Sony's thing.

Why is this valid? "Real fucking games" only matter if you actually want to play them or - more importantly - if people want to buy your system because of them. Sony and Microsoft both showed off trailers and promises - true. However, it is indicitive that there is life still in the system. It's not as though PS4 and X1 won't have any games in 2015. They're just ALSO showing off stuff for 2016 and beyond. Because...you know...they're trying to indicate that the platforms still have life and still have games coming out for them.

Nintendo's conference showed off games. Yep. Good job. Nearly all of them were known and have been known for a while. The ones that weren't were small spin-off titles that could've been whipped up in the last year. There was talk about "transformation", but all I saw was a bunch of B-tier games for both systems. People forget so soon, but this is exactly how they said farewell to the Wii and the DS, only it's happening faster this time around.

 

[Not]

Iwata

Oh damn, I should've realized Twitter would blow up in his face. Poor Satoru.

YO GUYS-- is there a developer roundtable this year?

 

[Milly Osworth]

Don't agree at all with what you say. Everything in this world go fast and Nintendo bosses can't keep the pace anymore. They aren't enough ready with the changement and technology.
Ahh I forgot Shibata too, the pseudo-european ninty president who were using a JPN 3ds during an old direct presentation...(what a mess) while consoles are region locked. It's a shame..

Young talent from EAD (like the guys that made Splatoon) need to take over the wheel at Nintendo I think.

Miyamoto, Iwata need to stay obviously, but not as the ones in complete control. And the guy that designed the Wii U needs to be fired.

 

[Impala26]

Nintendo's first step is to fire the big 3: Miyamoto (ok you are the papa of mario but from years, you offer nothing to gamers. You use Nintendo society like it was your puppet. He explains its ideas of maniability for Star fox, sorry but tons of people can think better things for this game). Reggie and Iwata too. They are a big wall of the progress of Nintendo.

LOLWUT?

I'm peeved about today too, but this is going a bit too far don't ya think?

 

[Bakkus]

September. I reached out to Reggie and he sent me a list of announcements, telling me he's heard more of what GAF has been asking for:

New FZero: Captain Falcon's Epic Yarn. 2D Platformer with amiibo support. 2016 release

2016 Games for Wii U: Star Fox Zero is now a 2016 game

Mario Kart 8 Battle Mode: New courses will be added to the Battle Mode Mario Kart 8 already has

Ridley and K Rool in Smash: New trophies of iconic Nintendo villains are available to collect

New Zelda Wii U footage and a release earlier than next fall: Nintendo is partnering with Ubisoft to get the game out faster and deliver a AAA open world experience

Pokemon Wii U: It's a Mystery Dungeon that requires amiibo to play as characters other than Pikachu

Heheheheh, that would be only barely more disappointing than this E3.

 

[outunderthestars]

Not being able to develop AAA titles back to back is scrapping the bottom of the barrel. Its clear that a lot of games announed are just side project padding. Their AAA teams are obviously working on something else. They just released smash/kart/dktf last year. Do people think games just grow on trees or something?

Yes. We are talking about this year's conference yes? There simply aren't any new games that I have the least bit of interest in playing. It really looks like the Wii U and 3DS are at the end of their lifespans and development appears to have shifted to the next platforms.

 

[Pizza]

What I"m most surprised about is that they haven't yet announced anymore Wii titles for the Wii U Virtual Console. The code runs without them really doing anything at all. That's pure profit. There's no reason that most first party Wii titles aren't out there. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on N64, SNES and NES, since they do have to do some coding there. The Wii games would be pure profit.

I think they're saving virtual console for nx. If it's like the Apple app store they'll only ever have to port the games to nx once and they're set

 

[Makareu]

edit : wrong thread

 

[GeekyDad]

That was one pretty disappointing showing. And no Advance Wars still?

 

[Atrophis]

If they had titled this the 3DS digital event I could have saved myself 50 minutes.

Absolutely dire for those of us with just a Wii U. Don't give a fuck about treehouse now because they won't be showing anything that interests me. So disappointing.

 

[Father_Brain]

E3 is an important event to showcase things, but Nintendo does usually spread out their news with more directs, so now E3 for them isn't the be-all end-all showstopper it used to be. And I still don't think the NX will be out till at least 2017.

Iwata has said that he expects to turn NCL's gaming business around in the FY ending in March 2017. Whether this pans out or not, that prediction makes no sense if NX isn't launching by then (their expectations from mobile gaming can't be that massive, at least early on), which most likely means a holiday 2016 release - though, as 3DS did, it could slip a few months later.

 

[Not]

Its coming to the Wii U as an NX port? That doesn't make sense. That would mean that the NX is less powerful than the Wii U.

Well, since you knew what I actually meant and are just using semantics to be flippant, I meant what you know I meant.

 

[linkboy]

Why is this valid? "Real fucking games" only matter if you actually want to play them or - more importantly - if people want to buy your system because of them. Sony and Microsoft both showed off trailers and promises - true. However, it is indicitive that there is life still in the system. It's not as though PS4 and X1 won't have any games in 2015. They're just ALSO showing off stuff for 2016 and beyond. Because...you know...they're trying to indicate that the platforms still have life and still have games coming out for them.

Nintendo's conference showed off games. Yep. Good job. Nearly all of them were known and have been known for a while. The ones that weren't were small spin-off titles that could've been whipped up in the last year. There was talk about "transformation", but all I saw was a bunch of B-tier games for both systems. People forget so soon, but this is exactly how they said farewell to the Wii and the DS, only it's happening faster this time around.

What games could Nintendo show off that would save the Wii U?

It's painfully obvious that Nintendo's main teams have moved on.

 

[EarsOfASnake]

Again this is the same crew that told us it's a 2015 title.

It might be a wii u game, it might be NX, or it could be cross gen.

Taking Nintendo's word on this after the last time is moot though.

It's 100% going to be this, we have done this dance before and had them pull the rug out from underneath us at the end.

 

[maquiladora]

The puppets were the best thing about this. No doubt.

 

[dampflokfreund]

Iwata:


Courtesy of Streets

I'm so kind and give you guys at Nintendo one last chance at E3 2016. If Nintendo fails there too, I will decide it's not targeted at me anymore.

But that doesn't change the fact I'm extremly sad and disappointed now.

 

[FunkyMunkey]

worst nintendo e3 showing in years

 

[Milly Osworth]

What games could Nintendo show off that would save the Wii U?

It's painfully obvious that Nintendo's main teams have moved on.

Remember last time when we thought that?

Nintendo Land and fireworks... OH YEAH!!!!!

 

[NexusCell]

isn't this the truth. Nintendo shows up with real fucking video games that you will play in the near future and it's the worst presentation they've had in years?

Every single game they've shown will be a product you can buy before any of the big announcements at Sony's thing.

That doesn't really matter if the games aren't that good.

 

[outunderthestars]

If they had titled this the 3DS digital event I could have saved myself 50 minutes.

Absolutely dire for those of us with just a Wii U. Don't give a fuck about treehouse now because they won't be showing anything that interests me. So disappointing.

Hey. They showed Animal Crossing Party. It only costs $60 in plastic figures (that you won't be able to buy in a store because HAHA fuck you for not waiting outside of a store for 12 hours to get them at launch) to play.

What else do you want?

 

[Kevinroc]

It was a disappointing Event. It didn't help Nintendo that Sony raised the bar, and Ninty's pre-Event reveals (Smash DLC, Earthbound Beginnings) made people expect more from Nintendo than they had to offer.

I am excited for Star Fox Zero and Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam. And already revealed projects like Yoshi's Wooly World, Super Mario Maker, Fire Emblem Fates, SMT X FE, and Xenoblade Chronicles X.

But the presentation wasn't very good. Too many developer stories meant to fill time. Important information not revealed during the Event.

 

[The Evil Ganon]

Given that they will be showing the NX next year, how big are the chances that they'll launch the console in 2016? Didn't they launch most of their hardware one year (or more) after the initial unveil?

 

[johnnyfive]

A little 3-5 minute video of "things to come" probably could have alleviated a lot of the strife that's going around right now.

To quote the billionaire Getty:

I have a fortunate capacity to remain unruffled. I have also had more than sufficient experience in many areas of life to know that the shrillest critics are not necessarily the most authoritative (and seldom the most objective). Beyond this, the very shrillness of their cries and howls very quickly exhausts their wind.

Look at the age of the guys who lead Nintendo. They are old masters who get their deepest kicks from subtleties in Mario maker. Why should they care about no-talent loudmouths on GAF who fickly spew hyperbolic praise and condemnation in alternating breaths?

 

[Chibot]

So nothing announced that would require the New 3DS?

I don't think so. That's a bit of a surprise and I'm starting to wonder what the point of the N3DS was, with NX not too far off.

 

[Not]

Such a bummer. The leaks this year were the best part.

Any word on a developer roundtable?

 

[JinjoUnchained]

There's nothing that Nintendo could announce that will salvage the mess that the Wii U is.

That's the problem. The Wii U, as great as the games on it have been from Nintendo, has pretty much been floundering this entire gen. Nobody gives two shits about it, 3rd parties don't and consumers don't.

Releasing a Metroid game for it from Retro (for example) would do Nintendo no good, as it wouldn't sell all that well (being released on a dead platform) and then push Retro's next game back for the next console (where it might have a better chance of selling).

Sad, but true. Again, the market has spoken, so for now it looks like we'll have 2015 releases (still hyped for those!) and Zelda Wii U to look forward to. When it's all said and done, I'll probably look back fondly on the awesome games we did get for Wii U, but be disappointed that the party didn't last longer. Hopefully there won't be TOO much of a wait between Zelda Wii U and when we learn about what's coming for NX.

 

[blankempathy]

That doesn't really matter if the games aren't that good.

yoshi yarn, xbcx, mario maker and starfox all confirmed to be trash. No big announcements apparently means Nintendo suddenly forgot how to make good games.

 

[outunderthestars]

Given that they will be showing the NX next year, how big are the chances that they'll launch the console in 2016? Didn't they launch most of their hardware one year (or more) after the initial unveil?

Holiday 2016 is an almost certainty with how poorly their current hardware is selling.

I don't think so. That's a bit of a surprise and I'm starting to wonder what the point of the N3DS was, with NX not too far off.

Inflate quarterly numbers by getting a few million hardcore Nintendo fans to run out and buy a second (or third) 3DS......

 

[Atrophis]

Hey. They showed Animal Crossing Party. It only costs $60 in plastic figures (that you won't be able to buy in a store because HAHA fuck you for not waiting outside of a store for 12 hours to get them at launch) to play.

What else do you want?

I admit it man, I'm just too entitled.

 

[Chris R]

Is there a recap of what happened? I just got into work... looks like it was a stinker though...

 

[Weebos]

Wasn't great, hopefully we will get a little more this week.

The Zelda game looks cool though, and Mario Tennis.

 

[wcw]

E3 is an important event to showcase things, but Nintendo does usually spread out their news with more directs, so now E3 for them isn't the be-all end-all showstopper it used to be. And I still don't think the NX will be out till at least 2017.

Problem is if NX is a console or a replacement for the Wii-U and they launch it in 2017 and if the Wii-U doesn't have Zelda and a few other solid titles for 2016 then it looks like it will only have gotten 3-4 years of support.

If a new console comes out in 2017 then 2017 is a complete wash for the Wii-U and with nothing major announced for 2016 it's not looking good for that year either (although there is time to announce what they might have planned).

They did it once with the Gamecube but if they do it again they might be encroaching on Sega territory where people might lose faith in their products.