It wasn't so much that they didn't have much to show, it was the filler that killed this thing for me. Uneccessary filler that would have been better to put in the individual trailers for each title shown after they were released post presentation. Better to peel off the bandaid quickly instead of slowly, while feeling every hair follicle be ripped from your pores.
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E3 2015 | Nintendo Digital Event
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I like you.
People bitching about Miyamoto and Tezuka sharing their design experience from the original Mario are missing the whole point of what makes Mario Maker what it is. So what if you've heard about the 1-1 start screen before, it's the very definition of elitism to flip them off because they're sharing this with all the audience.
This is my biggest fear. If they skimp out again on hardware for (arguably) the third generation in a row.
I hope the NX at least lets us tranfer our WiiU digital shop titles..but that may be asking for too much, given the current state of the industry with re-releases.
Hale-XF11
Member
Yup. This is the Nintendo cycle as we know it.
Milly Osworth
Member
Haha yeah...
If they showed:
- Animal Crossing Wii U
- Pokemon Wii U
- Starfox with good visuals (personally don't mind them but eh)
- Metroid Wii U
and then some more then fanbase would shed tears of joy. But Nintendo seems to just not want to please their own fans. I don't get it.
The developer sections were cool. But live threads bring out the worst GAF members. Just try to ignore them.
The gamepad has been and continues to be an albatross for Nintendo. Just a poorly thought out gimmick to base a system around.
Sorceror12
Member
I assume you're mainly taking about Wii U. Lack of titles is not a problem I have with the system personally. It still has the largest selection of very high quality exclusives out of every current-gen consoles. More to come this year and in 2016.
I'm actually growing on the conference. The games shown were mostly promising. I like the approach of focusing on games close to release instead of showing games that have been in development for weeks (Square Enix the biggest offender this year).
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Bingo.
Also, I see absolutely no way NX doesn't release in November 2016. Nintendo has no choice.
So Nintendo has already announced all of their Wii-U games for next year? I must have missed that confirmation
Honestly, it was a pretty good 3DS conference. I don't understand people who are pissed off about the 3DS showing. I'd go as far as to say the 3DS probably had the second best E3 showing after the PS4.
The difference is if the same games run on both the NX portable and home console, there shouldn't be the drought issues.
- Nintendo's 1st party 3DS games
- Nintendo's 1st party Wii U games
- 3DS Japanese 3rd party support
- Indies
That's a pretty good lineup even assuming they don't get ports of stuff from the Western 3rd parties (they will if they play their cards right).
Objectively, I think it was solid. All the games shown were good. Granted, SMT x FE might have seemed very niche. But for the most part, I imagine most people would like what was shown. I however, didn't want any of the titles shown REALLY badly, besides Mario Maker, and Star Fox. I guess SMT x FE because I love niche Japanese RPG games (even if it has in your face/idol moe stuff).
I think the Direct had pacing issues. They spent too much time on certain segments. Triforce Warriors + Hyrule Warriors was like 15 min total. And I mean, they looked fine, and of course I want Hyrule Warriors on my 3DS. But I didn't want to hear the devs talk about them for so long, because I wasn't like wanting these titles THAT badly...
So yeah, I don't know. Hard for me to score this. Because I personally think the conference was a let down, and was even a slightly bad one (and I again mean in terms of pacing and structure). Problem is, in terms of the actual games shown, I think most of what was shown were good games. Subjectively, I just wasn't like, beating down doors for these games. And nothing shown was like OMG. For instance, I had no idea Horizon existed at Sony, and it was OMG. I knew UC4 existed, and that demo had me going OMG. Nntendo was basically missing that element.
I think the Direct had pacing issues. They spent too much time on certain segments. Triforce Warriors + Hyrule Warriors was like 15 min total. And I mean, they looked fine, and of course I want Hyrule Warriors on my 3DS. But I didn't want to hear the devs talk about them for so long, because I wasn't like wanting these titles THAT badly...
So yeah, I don't know. Hard for me to score this. Because I personally think the conference was a let down, and was even a slightly bad one (and I again mean in terms of pacing and structure). Problem is, in terms of the actual games shown, I think most of what was shown were good games. Subjectively, I just wasn't like, beating down doors for these games. And nothing shown was like OMG. For instance, I had no idea Horizon existed at Sony, and it was OMG. I knew UC4 existed, and that demo had me going OMG. Nntendo was basically missing that element.
outunderthestars
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Retailers aren't going to stock a $150 controller from a system that nobody wanted to buy when it was new, let alone just for backwards compatibility.
Chezzymann
Member
Seriously, there's a lot of great looking games coming out for the system. If you still game on 3DS its a decent conference.
Sorceror12
Member
just mystery dungeon. they don't always have a yearly release.
Where's Rhythm Heaven and Style Savvy though :<
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
It's conflicting. On the one hand, I know that there's some incredible stuff on the way. I have no doubt that I'll love Mario Maker Xenoblade, SMT x FE, Fatal Frame, Yoshi, etc. On the other hand, though; I already knew about all those games this time last year, and there was nothing to inspire confidence for what's to come. I wanted to walk away feeling like "oh man, I can't wait to play this stuff now that it's finally ready, but holy shit is next year going to be crazy!"
I'm satisfied, but not inspired.
I'm satisfied, but not inspired.
I can take a year off from Pokemon. I just finished Omega Ruby last week. Let them take their time and release a new one in 2016
It matters because Sony (I haven't seen Microsoft's conference yet so can't comment on that) have been trading almost entirely on hype since before the PS4 even released, and as a PS4 owner I am sick and tired of being strung along on the promise of great new exclusives. They've done very little to differentiate their platform.
MannyToons
Member
The cheap, spin-offy nature of almost every game reveal here is what bothers me more than anything else.
Joeshabadoo
Member
Seems clear that those companies devs who chose to mainly show 2016 games have been received quite well, while showing 2015 games is doing it wrong, oh and I like how all of these games coming this year are suddenly 'shovelware'
Still it's true that they didn't learn the lesson from last year when the game they showed which was 2+ years out got the biggest reception. Iwata teased amazing new Zelda u footage in an interview today and if they had simply teased us with that this conversation would be different. You silly bastards, nintendo
Still it's true that they didn't learn the lesson from last year when the game they showed which was 2+ years out got the biggest reception. Iwata teased amazing new Zelda u footage in an interview today and if they had simply teased us with that this conversation would be different. You silly bastards, nintendo
Chiramii
Member
There's still time. More than 6 months, in fact.
balladofwindfishes
Member
Mystery Dungeon is the Pokemon game for this year. It was already announced.
American Eskimo
Banned
You realize that we're halfway through 2015 and there have been less than a dozen physical releases for the Wii U this year?
You really think, after what we saw, that 2016 will have more games?
Mr. Saturn
Member
Wii U still had some good games, the system itself has had poor sales, but there have been good titles still, that's probably why people still have some interest in the NX.
Obviously the system has run out of steam probably due to the poor sales/Nintendo focusing on their next system, its unfortunate.
that's what you have to do when you're moving the bigger talent onto new hardware and still need to support old hardware.
outunderthestars
Banned
The more I think about this event, the more I realize that Nintendo simply cannot create enough content on their own to support two systems.
That sounds like hell. Less gimmicky control schemes please. Why are they trying to force this control scheme into the game? We know Star Fox works and we know that Nintendo is a-okay with using the gamepad for just a map or for nothing at all.
Tinfoilhatsron
Banned
Really? Retarded? Great representation of the GAF community.
Anyway.
Then Nintendo is out of touch. Deal with it.
Then they wheel and deal, they dip into that warchest, they hire on 3rd party developers, they completely revamp their marketing, and they sell software.
NX in 2016 means Nintendo sales die in 2018 when the other two systems drop, and that's only if the NX even sells to begin with because it's the middle of a gen.
They'll be in the same place they are now, only with a two year old console instead of three. Do they abandon the NX then? Do they spend the entire next generation woefully underpowered again? Please understand, our console is already two years old, so sorry?
Milly Osworth
Member
You should really see Nintendo seperate from Xbox/PS. MS and Sony go for the exact same crowd.
Nintendo goes more for young kids, nothing wrong with that. The only problem is that they lost those young kids to Minecraft and mobile games.
IAmtheFMan
Member
Well said. This brings up another question, especially in light of the bolded. 3rd Parties don't want to develop for Nintendo, regardless of hardware. It's also arguable that the XBone and PS4 gamers wouldn't want to play those games on a Nintendo system even if they were avaiable anyways. The other problem is that as Nintendo becomes more insular, a lot of Nintendo fans are fine with just having Nintendo games on that system or getting a second system for 3rd party games. 3rd parties simply don't sell that well on Nintendo consoles because of this and that market seems to be shrinking as time goes on. Hell even Nintendo published games that are outside what is traditionally thought of as "Nintendo" don't sell well (W101, Bayonetta, etc.)
I know I'm in a minority here. I own all 3 consoles, but I STILL tried to give Nintendo 3rd parties my business when I could if there was no discernible difference in the games from other consoles, e.g. I bought ZombiU, NG III: RE, AC 3, NFS: MW, CoD Black Ops 2, and Deus Ex HR on Wii U, and would LOVE to see more of those games on the Wii U. But clearly, those games didn't sell well at all even when the difference in those games was either negligible, or actually enhanced on the Wii U. But clearly there aren't a lot like me out there.
I simply don't know how Nintendo digs itself out of this. Xbone and PS4 owners don't want to play those games on a Nintendo system. Nintendo fans are increasingly not wanting to play those games or are playing those games elsewhere.
GameGuru59
Banned
I've also theorized that they could just make it compatible with Android or ios declvices. There would be a little lag, but it'd work in most cases. For buttons, you simply make an attachment. Or make the controller itself reconfigurable to fit a smartphone or tablet.
Yea, like I said earlier 2016 is starting to look like 2013 for the 3DS. It looks like we have...
Fire Emblem: Fates
Mario & Luigi x Paper Mario
Metroid Prime 3DS
Battle balls
Zelda Triheroes
Hyrule Warriors
And more will be announced (consider a Pokemon release in the bag)
Nintendo is looking to send off the 3DS to a great retirement.
American Eskimo
Banned
gamergirly
Member
In this case, some of those games have probably been in development for NX for quite some time given a multiple year franchise gap. If you look at last E3, it's already been a year of development time for a game like Zelda for instance
Loving all the overblown complaining, keep it coming. I'm having a riot of a time.
Everyone is being so insanely negative out of what was a decent showing. The Wii U games in the pipeline are pretty good and the 3DS has some solid stuff coming this way. You all really need to give shit more of a chance before you start throwing about dead franchises, running out of ideas and all that other Nintendoom.
Yep. Wii U will be remembered as a failure with some great games. It needed at least one more good year to move out of that club. As it is I might end up owning only about 10-12 retail games for it, which is unheard of for me and a Nintendo console since the N64 era.
Yep. Another quote for this comment. The problem is that their 'buying time tactics' have been awful. No one wants spinoffs. One big reveal and a remaster (on top of already known stuff) would have gone down far better than what we got.
Judging by the Wii U sales, those hardcore fans are all Nintendo has left right now and are the ones holding the whip. Judging by the Smash DLC Nintendo seems to know this. They just got today badly wrong.
I loved the bolded line to bits. 'Look, is it good stuff? No. Is it stuff we wanted? No. But why does it have to be good, or wanted? Can't we just be happy something exists? What's with this focus on quality?'
They can though. They can and have. The issue is that they can't support them on their own.
You're twisting my words, sir. I didn't say that they aren't good and question why we're focusing on lack of quality. I said that they're not the games that we wanted, but that doesn't mean they're bad games.
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