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GOP Primary Debate [Iowa 2016] It's over! Get me out of here.

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RDreamer

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FiggyCal said:
I guess I don't get the Carson hate. He's a smooth guy, he's humble, and he is very likeable. He got probably the most laughs from the audience and you can tell they were always on his side. Even Megyn Kelly was joking with him when it came up that he had only been asked one question in about a hour. He brought it up playfully and everyone was kind of in on the joke. Compared to Ted Cruz who brought it up and he looked bitter, neglected and starving for more screen time. And in the closing statements -- yeah it was a bunch of lame jokes-- but it was the sort of lame jokes you laugh at when your dad tells them.

He is the most likeable republican for sure.
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Weird. He sounded sad when he brought up not getting to talk. His mannerisms and speech patterns to me felt like he didn't really understand much of anything. His answers sucked and the fact that he couldn't even bring up those answers in a sharp manner just made him feel dumber to me. He talked about as far from "smooth" as I could imagine.

I mean ultimately it was his stupid answers that made him seem dumb, though. Modeling our tax system on God is just beyond stupid. "We're all the same inside" so racism is gone is mindnumpingly dense bullshit. If even any of what the moderator asked him in his first question was true, he's scary as shit on foreign policy too. Seeing as his answer was basically "We all learn stuff!" Yeah, no.

That coupled with some of the other stupid ass quotes I've heard from him...
 
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FiggyCal

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RDreamer said:
Weird. He sounded sad when he brought up not getting to talk. His mannerisms and speech patterns to me felt like he didn't really understand much of anything. His answers sucked and the fact that he couldn't even bring up those answers in a sharp manner just made him feel dumber to me. He talked about as far from "smooth" as I could imagine.

I mean ultimately it was his stupid answers that made him seem dumb, though. Modeling our tax system on God is just beyond stupid. "We're all the same inside" so racism is gone is mindnumpingly dense bullshit. If even any of what the moderator asked him in his first question was true, he's scary as shit on foreign policy too. Seeing as his answer was basically "We all learn stuff!" Yeah, no.

That coupled with some of the other stupid ass quotes I've heard from him...
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Sounding sad, as opposed to just humble, I think is one way to look at it. But he always talks with that same tone that I think is just him not needing to be a tough guy like Christie or pretending to be a foreign policy expert, like Rubio and Lindsey Graham. As far as his bad policies goes; I'm sure everyone on that stage has many terrible things they'd like to enforce -- and Huckabee and Cruz have said far crazier things. We are not their inteded audience. Cruz has actually called for an end to the IRS and Rands tax plan is all over the place. So invoking God into a flat tax rate shouldn't bothers you as a matter of rhetoric.

Carson has always been lacking in political wisdom and yet has consistently been polling in the top tier. I think this just reinforces the idea that these debates aren't about substance.
 
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Shig

Strap on your hooker ...
Really puzzled what people are seeing in Carson. He wasn't very articulate and he didn't seem to have much of a grasp on the issues, he just seemed to be blindly feeling out answers.

Feels like there's a bunch of Repubs just trying to get brownie points by saying "Who'd I like? The black guy! See? Republicans are progressive, we're hip!" Dollars to donuts, their interest will suddenly drop off a cliff if he ever threatens to become a top contender.
 
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RDreamer

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Shig said:
Really puzzled what people are seeing in Carson. He wasn't very articulate and he didn't seem to have much of a grasp on the issues, he just seemed to be blindly feeling out answers.

Feels like there's a bunch of Repubs just trying to get brownie points by saying "Who'd I like? The black guy! See? Republicans are progressive, we're hip!" Dollars to donuts, their interest will suddenly drop off a cliff if he ever threatens to become a top contender.
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That's exactly what's happening. He's a black guy who denies racism. To them he's one of the good ones. They'll grab him and proclaim not racist for as long as they can.

Wouldn't be surprised to see him as a VP pick.
 
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Blader

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Impossible to take Carson seriously since he said the ACA was the worst thing since slavery. I mean, really, just fuck right off.
 
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Meus Renaissance

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Carlson was unmemorable outside his last two answers regarding race, and closing statement. Aside from that, he looked tepid and nervous, spending half the time looking down at his notes mid-sentence.

What's curious about him is that aside from being a black man, there is nothing that distinguishes him from the other candidates. They all use the same talking points.

I learnt nothing about their policies or how they differed. All they had to do was mention Obama, Clinton and balancing the budget to ensure they got a round of applause.
 
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LowEndTheory said:
Obama was born in Hawaii, Obama was NOT born in Kenya........
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it's just the whole nonsense about the birth certificate. the claim is that obama isn't a us citizen because he wasn't born in the us. but since he was born to an american woman, it wouldn't matter. ted cruz was literally actually born in another country and there aren't any complaints about legitimacy because of his skin color.
 
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Wolfgunblood Garopa

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Shig said:
Really puzzled what people are seeing in Carson. He wasn't very articulate and he didn't seem to have much of a grasp on the issues, he just seemed to be blindly feeling out answers.

Feels like there's a bunch of Repubs just trying to get brownie points by saying "Who'd I like? The black guy! See? Republicans are progressive, we're hip!" Dollars to donuts, their interest will suddenly drop off a cliff if he ever threatens to become a top contender.
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The guy is nuts, period point blank. His religion got the best of him, not to mention he's not even well suited for the job. He'll be out of the conversation soon enough. The only reason he's in this is because he's that much of an ideologue.
 
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Kunan

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I'm not a fan of fox's attempt to throw half the candidates under the bus. It should've been more mixed, ie picked from a hat or something. It's placing too much focus on pre-primary polling. I know there's a lot of candidates, but the way they split and promoted the debates irked me.

This isn't even to mention their laughable crusade in the main debate lol. I'm hoping all of this backfires on them hard.
 
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MrPressStart

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RDreamer said:
That's exactly what's happening. He's a black guy who denies racism. To them he's one of the good ones. They'll grab him and proclaim not racist for as long as they can.

Wouldn't be surprised to see him as a VP pick.
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Maybe I misheard him, but I dont thin he denies racism. I think he feels that the media creates barriers and wedges between the races by reporting the way they do. I cant remember word for word, but basically that the media throws fuel on the fire and really only makes the situations worse. They don't actually help. I agree with that. I think the media spends shit to get what they want. To them its all about ratings.
 
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speculawyer

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Jetman said:
So what is Donald "All of the women on The Apprentice flirted with me" Trump's stance on the God question? I honestly don't know where he stands with religion, but I don't think he is. If FOX wanted to tear him down, I think they could have focused that question towards him.
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Donald is pretty quick on his feet and he was given a long time to formulate an answer. If they gave him that question, he probably would have nailed it.
 
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Version 3.0

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Watched this morning. The very few concrete policy ideas floated were pretty terrible, and none were at all within the realm of reality:

"Build a wall!"
Straight 10% flat tax
Cut off all foreign aid
Apply constitutional protection to conceived fetuses
Stop paying social security?

The only one I heard that was even plausible was Christie's pitch to raise the retirement age by 2 years.

But mostly, all I heard were empty, parroted words:

Repeal (and replace) Obamacare
Repeal (and replace) Dodd-Frank
Strengthen the military
Obama is the worst
Hillary is also the worst
Stop dividing the country

But I think my favorite part was when Trump said he'd given money to the other candidates, and they all immediately asked for (more) money. I'm not convinced they were all joking. Trump should've whipped out his checkbook and found out.
 
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riotous

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MrPressStart said:
Never said that I liked Trump... I just admire his honesty.
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The guy is a pathological liar con artist.

He stands behind his words; many times those words are lies. It's not honesty, it's just stubbornness. For some reason people find this something to admire; similar to some of the praise of Bush. "Even when he's wrong, lying and currupt, he stands by his words! I admire that!"
 
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GnawtyDog

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MrPressStart said:
leads polls??? hahaha... that is funny. Just who is she leading over? Name me 5 people on the democratic ticket...

Also, for the record, I dont like Fox news
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Bam Bam Baklava

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Bel Marduk said:
I wouldn't worry too much about any poll conducted by Gravis Marketing, they've been consistently unreliable. Consistently.
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Even in a shitty Gravis poll Trump still did alright. Those 30% that said he lost were the part of the Republican party that he polarizes from the start, their opinion won't change.

All he needs to do is keep his base and expand to another 10-20% and that is enough to win virtually every state he is currently leading in with such a crowded field.
 
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mattiewheels

And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
I guess it was just a matter of time before the GOP was going to be overrun by an outsider, seeing as the whole tea party idea they embraced was like keeping a forest fire stoked. I wonder how nervous the Koch brothers are right now.
 
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massoluk

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Leondexter said:
But mostly, all I heard were empty, parroted words:

Repeal (and replace) Obamacare
Repeal (and replace) Dodd-Frank
Strengthen the military
Obama is the worst
Hillary is also the worst
Stop dividing the country.
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Yup you got it. They keep saying like it mean something.

How would you do about Economy? Repeal Obamacare.
- How the hell does that help?
 
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B-Dubs

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mattiewheels said:
I guess it was just a matter of time before the GOP was going to be overrun by an outsider, seeing as the whole tea party idea they embraced was like keeping a forest fire stoked. I wonder how nervous the Koch brothers are right now.
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They have to be shitting themselves right now. Walker was their guy, they had the money to push him over Bush. Trump is literally the spanner in the works, you can't make a plan against Trump because Trump has no idea what words will come out of his mouth until they do. All their careful planning just went down the drain, now no amount of money will push Walker through.
 
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Blader

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B-Dubs said:
They have to be shitting themselves right now. Walker was their guy, they had the money to push him over Bush. Trump is literally the spanner in the works, you can't make a plan against Trump because Trump has no idea what words will come out of his mouth until they do. All their careful planning just went down the drain, now no amount of money will push Walker through.
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lol
 
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B-Dubs

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Blader said:
lol
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It's both his greatest strength and his greatest weakness. It protects him from attacks and allows him to hit back hard when he is attacked, but when it comes to policy he has no answers to give and winds up hurting himself. He a master counter-puncher, but he can do nothing else. So as long as no one attacks him he can't do any damage.
 
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Arrogant Bastard

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B-Dubs said:
It's both his greatest strength and his greatest weakness. It protects him from attacks and allows him to hit back hard when he is attacked, but when it comes to policy he has no answers to give and winds up hurting himself. He a master counter-puncher, but he can do nothing else. So as long as no one attacks him he can't do any damage.
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So what you're saying is he is gonna be here for a while. Nice.
 
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mattiewheels

And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
This is a good time to visit Politifact, I really like their mission to fact check soundbites, and they tend to go pretty well in-depth with them. Good site.

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Deku Tree

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speculawyer

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B-Dubs said:
Unless everyone wises up and starts asking him substantive policy questions, which is like the opposite of what they've been taught and exactly what their experience says not to do.
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I really don't think that would sink him. It could work in a Dem debate but just reciting some canned talking points is enough on the right. If it wasn't, then we wouldn't have candidates like Walker, Rubio, etc. That's all those guys can do.

Perhaps if they ask tough follow-up questions . . . but that risks washing out their boys Walker, Rubio, Carson, Christie, etc. along with Trump.
 
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mattiewheels

And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
I just remembered what this is all giving me flashbacks to:

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"Who cares about this stupid election?!"
 
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GnawtyDog

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Poodlestrike said:
What's funny is that Obama's current foreign policy direction is much more shaped by Kerry than Hillary, who was moving in a very different direction.
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What direction is that? Kerry is just extending the work of Hillary and the general agenda of Obama. Hilldawg kept the Saudi's happy, pal-up with Russia while stabbing them with the Ukraine coup. Hilldawg helped repair European alliances and was on the chair for a very successful, (barring Benghazi) removal of Gaddafi in a coalition effort. You could literally go through a list of things that happened under her watch that either she oversaw or had a say. Osama a goner etc.

The Cuban diplomacy effort and the "Iranian deal" have been in work for years. Not to take away from Kerry, execution is key but people overstate and sometimes underrate the participation and credit due on things. Lets not bite the propaganda of worst Secretary of State by the GOP.
 
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