CarpeDeezNutz
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All the top comments on fox's fb page is people calling them out about Trump. They making the beast strong.
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GOP Primary Debate [Iowa 2016] It's over! Get me out of here.
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MrPressStart
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Agree with most of what you said except.... Rubio deserves to be there and could possibly offer a ton as a VP candidate running mate, and Carson is by no means a naive fool. He has simple yet convincing ideas. You dont become a neurosurgeon by being a idiot. I respect his calmness on a stage like that and I think he won over a ton of people.. probably not enought, but still.... he held his own.
MrPressStart
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Yes.... I would not be a bit suprised if his numbers soar. Americans might need a break from a real politician and instead opt for a celeberity that likes to talk shit and and speak his mind. I dont agree with everything he says...but I love his honesty and the fact that he says what he feels. It is refreshing!
-Ted Cruz is the strongest ideologue, even more hard line than the likes of Huckabee or Santorum. When he says that he would open a case against the IRS and Planned parenthood after his first day in office, I actually believe it.
-Kasich was rather sympathetic, your friendly uncle kind of person who is not strong enough to lead the country but is apparently doing good work for his local constituents.
-Kasich was rather sympathetic, your friendly uncle kind of person who is not strong enough to lead the country but is apparently doing good work for his local constituents.
CharminUltra
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That god question... I didn't know Reagan spoke to Conservative candidates just before debates.
afternoon delight
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O ye of little faith.
RustyNails
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Huckabee's economic plan: Tax the pimps
Dubbedinenglish
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Pimpin' ain't easy, but it is taxable. -Huckabee 2016
I'm not an American so I don't follow American politics too closely, but I found the debate somewhat entertaining.
Trump seems like the bane of the Republican Party right now. I'm guessing they don't want to nominate him as leader, but he's left them with little choice but to do so.
Besides Trump, Kasich seemed to be the most sensible of the bunch. Rubio was a great speaker as well. Carson was a terrible speaker, but his closing statement was hilarious.
Trump seems like the bane of the Republican Party right now. I'm guessing they don't want to nominate him as leader, but he's left them with little choice but to do so.
Besides Trump, Kasich seemed to be the most sensible of the bunch. Rubio was a great speaker as well. Carson was a terrible speaker, but his closing statement was hilarious.
afternoon delight
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Looooved that brimstone speak, hadn't heard it on a national stump since Frothy's last run.
Pimps! Prostitutes! Addicts!
The bolded is not true
I would trust Trump with Nukes over Iran.
His mind always seems obsessed over sex; thirsty as a dog.
If you tax all the prostitutes these millionaires and billionaires use, you'll balance the budget in no time!
Poll on who won and lost the debate by Gravis.
Winners:
Carson 22%
Trump 19%
Rubio 13%
Bush 10%
Huckabee 9%
Kasich 8%
Cruz 7%
Walker 7%
Paul 3%
Christie 2%
Losers:
Paul 34%
Trump 30%
Christie 9%
Bush 7%
Kasich 4%
Carson 4%
Huckabee 4%
Cruz 4%
Walker 2%
Rubio 2%
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ben-carson-scores-big-win-at-the-first-gop-debate-followed-by-marco-rubio-300125436.html
Winners:
Carson 22%
Trump 19%
Rubio 13%
Bush 10%
Huckabee 9%
Kasich 8%
Cruz 7%
Walker 7%
Paul 3%
Christie 2%
Losers:
Paul 34%
Trump 30%
Christie 9%
Bush 7%
Kasich 4%
Carson 4%
Huckabee 4%
Cruz 4%
Walker 2%
Rubio 2%
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ben-carson-scores-big-win-at-the-first-gop-debate-followed-by-marco-rubio-300125436.html
Just look how well that scheme turned out for Tyrion Lannister.
Poor dude. I legit felt Kasich is going to be the new Jon Huntsman
Antiwhippy
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Asking for a tithe system and advocating torture are convincing ideas now?
I'll give you simple.
metalslimer
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Haha seriously? Hilary even being the boring candidate she is could wipe the floor with any of those clowns in a debate.
Also what convincing ideas does Ben Carson have?
tearsintherain
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Trump has a pretty simple line to victory: keep hammering home the point that all the other candidates are bought by special interests, and he only cares about restoring America to greatness (yes that doesn't mean anything but sounds good) and stay very vague about everything else. People have had this notion that politicians are bought and paid for a while now and here is a guy who clearly lays it out, saying he's done it a bunch of times.
Keep in mind in 2008 Obama won with 53% to 46%. 7% points against Senator Grim Reaper after 8 years of George Bush. That election brought out a ton of minorities, young people, progressives, etc who were super excited to be voting for the first black president, re-imagining Camelot / Kennedy.
While we'll get a sizable chunk who are into voting for the first female president it seems likely if its Hillary vs Trump then a big chunk of that younger democratic base may just stay home, not really caring who wins. In that scenario it tends to be the older, conservative voters who still go out every time. With most states always leaning one way or the other it'll come down again to the same 5 or 6 swing states.
Keep in mind in 2008 Obama won with 53% to 46%. 7% points against Senator Grim Reaper after 8 years of George Bush. That election brought out a ton of minorities, young people, progressives, etc who were super excited to be voting for the first black president, re-imagining Camelot / Kennedy.
While we'll get a sizable chunk who are into voting for the first female president it seems likely if its Hillary vs Trump then a big chunk of that younger democratic base may just stay home, not really caring who wins. In that scenario it tends to be the older, conservative voters who still go out every time. With most states always leaning one way or the other it'll come down again to the same 5 or 6 swing states.
MrPressStart
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I think you over estimate Hiliary. What has she done exactly? Aside from Benghazi and the email fuck up??? Oh, she stayed with her husband when he cheated on her.... grow a back bone. She is weak and in no way fit to run this country.
metalslimer
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What happened in benghazi?
When I think off refreshing in politics, I think of ideas and policies. Not acting like a petulant child on stage because that's "real".
But, yeah, I love it when he calls my Mexican immigrant family rapists and murderers. His honesty is refreshing!
MrPressStart
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Some times solutions are much more simple than one would think. You pay taxes based on your income. I think it is a great idea. Simple and effective.
gutterboy44
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Hey panel of grown men, please tell us your best ghost story! They should have passed out flash lights first so they could hold them under their chin during the response.
The political landscape in this country is not reliant on good ideas, facts, or being an actual human. Buzzwords. That's all that mattered last night. No one made any points, save for the occasional "Look what I did in _____, I can do that nationally." And even then it was clout, and half-truths about their actual implementation and 'success'.
The entire debate was each candidate rambling to try and fill a minute of time, with no ideas, no reason, and no substance.
The entire debate was each candidate rambling to try and fill a minute of time, with no ideas, no reason, and no substance.
I'll be honest, as this election goes on it seems to be narrowing down to Hillary vs Trump more and more. If Bernie does reach the general, maybe the Democratic vote will come out in force. But I think you'll see just as much opposition from the right cancelling any advantage.
I'd buy this bumper sticker.
I would trust Trump with Nukes over Iran.
Not me, dude is bugnuts crazy and is only getting away with it because people like the entertainment.
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this remains relevant: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/donald-trumps-six-stages-of-doom/
MrPressStart
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I never said that I agreed with everything he said and you are entitled to vote or pull for whoever you wish. I am not even sure if Trump is who I want to pull for, but I respect his honesty. He will not back track or back down.
When you were younger ... and somebody said something that hurt your feelings.... did anybody ever say to you... "Hey, if in your heart you know its not true, then dont worry about it!"... same thing applies here. If your family is upstanding and doing what they should... dont let his comments offend you.
Pretty much. I've seen people say Trump doesn't have detailed policy answers on how he intends to go about accomplishing things he says he will. That's true, but neither does anyone else. Or at least I didn't see them talk about it last night.
Funky Papa
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Calling Hillary weak or spineless hits a new level of delusion.
She's by far one of the biggest and meanest snakes in the hill.
And I loathe her.
She's by far one of the biggest and meanest snakes in the hill.
And I loathe her.
MrPressStart
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She is weak... She may be a snake, but she is weak. If the democrats are banking on her to carry the load... sorry!
Clinton Foundation is legit foundation. Iran deal was partly her baby. She spent a lot of time abroad to improve foreign relations. She visit more countries than any secretary of state in US history, you don't see it now, but the result of her efforts will be long term
Almost makes you appreciate Tony Abbott.
It's definitely simple.
But effective?
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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What, where did you ever get that idea. She's seen it all and is always a step ahead.
metalslimer
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What are you talking about she leads in every poll currently? I think you've been watching Fox News for so long you don't have a clear picture of reality.
MrPressStart
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A step ahead of what exactly? Just because she lived in the white house for 8 years means squat. Her work over the last 8 years has been lackluster and to be honest her fuck ups have been costly.
The Technomancer
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I said it earlier: Trump isn't a blood deep republican, and he has no real animosity towards the Clintons. That's what makes him even more dangerous to the republicans. If he get screwed by the GOP, the possibility of Hillary winning won't necessarily stop him from running third party just to fuck with them for revenge.
Most of her 'fuck ups' have been manufactured outrages because Republicans knew she'd be running this cycle, so they tried to stick her with stupid shit early.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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There's a reality check waiting for you when things kick into gear for her campaign.
MrPressStart
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leads polls??? hahaha... that is funny. Just who is she leading over? Name me 5 people on the democratic ticket...
Also, for the record, I dont like Fox news
Varjis
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I watched the debate mainly to observe the spectacle that is the Donald, but one thing I did take away was Kasich does appear to be one of the best hopefuls from a 'non-crazy' perspective. Granted he did have the home crowd behind him and I have no idea how the citizens of Ohio feel about him, but I actually liked how he handle the questions and he didn't seem out of touch with reality.
Honestly, his answer on gay marriage was probably the best you'd get from a Republican. He has his beliefs, but he respects the law, he actually attended a gay friends wedding and he seemed sincere with respecting the rights of others, unlike Walker, Cruz, Huckabee, etc.
Of course the one Republican I think is possibly worth a shot won't get it, (I thought Huntsman last election seemed alright, you know the "other" Mormon) it is always the overly rich guy or the crazy guy or the rich crazy guy. Probably doesn't matter for their party anyway, if Trump gets the nod they are toast, if Trump doesn't get the nod, he'll go third party and split the vote and they are toast.
It's like you've lived in a completely different America for the last 16 years.
Funky Papa
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You don't get that far in politics by being weak.
As a matter of fact, many other politicians would have been crushed under the same circumstances.
And having the Clinton surname is an extremely sharp double edged sword. That doesn't afford you shit among political ranks.
As a matter of fact, many other politicians would have been crushed under the same circumstances.
And having the Clinton surname is an extremely sharp double edged sword. That doesn't afford you shit among political ranks.
Every other Republican and Democratic candidate.
Sectorseven
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Technically speaking aren't they taxed already?
I was under the impression the IRS doesn't care how you make your money as long as you're reporting it.
WTF are you talking about. She won any fantasy match up against any GOP candidates.
Hillary is leading both the nomination and general election match ups.
It's not really a two edge sword because it doesn't do anything but help her. No one would care who she was if she wasn't married to a very popular president. And the same with Bush also. Jeb is a nobody, except for the perks of being a Bush.
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