That post? That post proves absolutely nothing. Palmer was asked whether there was more to the missions than the chat and he said there wasn't. In no way does that mean that none of them used any ability.
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Archer [Mafia] |OT| Wait, I Had Something For This
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That post? That post proves absolutely nothing. Palmer was asked whether there was more to the missions than the chat and he said there wasn't. In no way does that mean that none of them used any ability.
If you mean some special mission-granted power than no, we weren't given any special power to use.
If you mean our normal role powers, i couldn't say. I dont know if anyone had a power and have no way to verify if any were used.
YesNOnoNOYes
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Well, I meant the post-counting list..
I havent gone through these enchanting novellas written by palmer and you and cabbeh, but that mention of the list thingy reminded me of this post (#1275) from yesterday:
Just saying, you've got a rapt audience here, still waiting to see your suss list, is all :3
I'm disappointed YNONOY, I made it an novella erotica just for you, me and El Topo get all heated and sexy and then we engage in what can only be described as biological lynching.
YesNOnoNOYes
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XD cabbeh <3 omg you crack me up lol
WORRY NOT. I shall consume thoroughly and bathe in the pages of your glorious erotica novella. Mmmmmmm lynchin' goodness~
Current votes:
El Topo (1)
Palmer_v1
Palmer_v1
Seath (3)
roytheone
YesNOnoNOYes
Mazre
Seath
Palmer_v1
EzekelRAGE
Haly
Darryl
cabbeh
TheAwesomePossum
Burbeting
cooljeanius (1)
Haly
cabbeh
Haly
Darryl (1)
QuantumBro
roytheone
squidyj (3)
Zubz
Septimus Prime
Seath
Septimus Prime (2)
cabbeh
squidyj
Mike_Hawk689 (1)
YesNOnoNOYes
Zubz (1)
Darryl
VOLUNTEERS
EzekelRAGE
Mazre
Palmer_v1
El Topo
===BACKUP===
YesNOnoNOYes
Zubz
Day 2 ends at:
El Topo (1)
Palmer_v1
Seath (3)
Mazre
TheAwesomePossum
Burbeting
cooljeanius (1)
Haly
Darryl (1)
roytheone
squidyj (3)
Zubz
Septimus Prime
Seath
Septimus Prime (2)
cabbeh
squidyj
Mike_Hawk689 (1)
YesNOnoNOYes
Zubz (1)
Darryl
VOLUNTEERS
EzekelRAGE
Mazre
Palmer_v1
El Topo
===BACKUP===
YesNOnoNOYes
Zubz
Day 2 ends at:
Hey lover,
I suspected Seath was third party in D1 with this post:
I think it was a bit more reliable than the word unaligned. He speaks as if he is outside of the regular crowd.
Basically I'm saying your theory was
so don't feel too proud, my friend.
I *do* actually have to get shit done today, so unless after midnight I decide to spend the last two hours of the day posting stuff, which is possible, don't expect any too detailed posts from me that actually require backtracking anytime soon.
For the record, Palmer and cabbeh are not on the list.
The current volunteers are:
EzekelRage
Mazre
Palmer_V1
El topo
YesNOnoNOYes
Zubz
You and palmer_V1 have already showed interest in unvolunteering to only put one person togheter with Ezekel. So if Mazre, El topo and zubz also agree, we could do it.
Knew I forgot something in my vote tally. Updated.
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Aawwww okies... I was looking forward to it since yesterday actually. And today you seemed active and stuff, even novella-ing with Palmer and cabbeh :3
But I understand~ RL is demanding, yesh yesh, so I will wait some more...... *aggressively waits*
Oh, and also, you haven't voted yet? I'm just looking at Ouro's beautiful tally update and it makes me sad that only 14 of us have active votes for D2.... :x TIMES-A-TICKIN~
We're sort of at the half-mark of D2 now! I'd like to tighten up them votes allegiances! If possible let us try not to bumrush someone too close to the finish line again, please? ^_____^
I'm willing to unvolunteer.
Well, I haven't gotten shit done today, so don't expect too much in the next ~6 hours.
Wall 'o' texts, walls everywhere
If I had to choose between Zubz/Septimus/ElTopo I would probably go with Zubz.
Still though, where the hell is cooljeanius? Do we need a prod? Been dark for 2 days now.
We were supposed to be the subless ones!
If I had to choose between Zubz/Septimus/ElTopo I would probably go with Zubz.
Still though, where the hell is cooljeanius? Do we need a prod? Been dark for 2 days now.
We were supposed to be the subless ones!
I sent a note to cooljeanius checking up on him a little bit ago.
Septimus Prime
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Uh, okay. To clear things up, I also don't know why there were a bunch of votes on GLT on D1. I only know why I voted for him, and that reason is because he voted for me. As I didn't suspect anyone quite yet, the best thing for me to do was "revenge" vote to tie up our vote counts at 1 and 1 so that I am not put at a disadvantage with an extra vote on me. Why everyone else decided to vote for him had little to do with me and nothing to do with my vote. So, to reiterate, I didn't suspect GLT at all on D1.
However, what does strike me as suspicious is how, in the eleventh hour, suddenly squidyj brings up Visualante2 from out of nowhere, and then a bunch of people unvote for GLT to vote for what turned out to be our Doctor, of all players. There's likely no way squidyj could have known that Vis was the Doc, but if he's KGB, he would know for sure that Vis was not KGB, so it made sense for him to refocus votes on another KGB player to a non-KGB player. So this puts some suspicion on you.
The reason to vote for him and not you right now, though, is that if you get lynched and turn out to be KGB, there will be suspicion on squidyj, but it could also be played off as dumb luck. If squidyj bites it and turns out to be KGB, though, it sheds new light on why he tried so hard to refocus everyone's attention from GLT onto anyone else.
Thanks. You're still voting to lynch me, though, so is there still some suspicion that I can address for you?
he's saying that your logic and insight in later posts suggests that you were pretending to make mistakes earlier on and it actually makes you look scummier.
Septimus Prime
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Oh, I see. That also makes sense.
Well, I can't exactly go back and change my previous posts, but maybe I can explain it with some bullet points:
1. I have played offline Mafia before, including some card-based variants like Bang!, and I enjoy those.
2. I've never played online Mafia before.
3. I've never played a Mafia game with missions.
If you'll go back and read my "playing dumb" posts, you'll see that all my questions and faulty assumptions pertained to one specific component of the rule set--namely the rule that I've never encountered before (and clearly misunderstood). How does it not make sense that I would want to clear this up right away, and after having cleared it up, have a normal understanding of all the other basic rules, which apply to all Mafia games?
It was actually beneficial for at least one other player that I asked about it, too, since he and I both thought LGB could double kill.
Good, that leaves just Mazre and Zubz. It will be nice to have this sorted with still 2 full days left. Again, I don't really care who becomes the second team member, I find it very unlikely that honeypot will basically out herself by targeting Ezekel when they are in a two man situation. Sure we will lose a very powerful PR, but they will lose a KGB member, and they probably have waaaaay less members than us, so that would still be a bad trade for them.
Things are a little trickier if the honeypod is neutral with killing archer as her only win condition, then being outed wouldn't matter a thing for her. Protecting Ezekel from someone that isn't afraid to be outed will be quite a challenge.
(BTW, I am still doubtful of Ezekel's claim, however, until we know some things with a little more certainty I think we should act like Ezekels claim is true, just to be on the safe side).
Septimus Prime
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Okay, that aside, while I was writing my last post, I was thinking about the Honeypot situation. I thought about just having it all in a single post, but I decided to post again to clearly delineate that I am talking about something entirely different now.
In any case, in my mind, there are two ways the Honeypot can work:
1. The Honeypot is a KGB player, and the KGB may assassinate Sterling Archer only if the Honeypot and Archer are in the same pool during the night phase. So, if Archer goes on the mission, the KGB can only kill him if the Honeypot is also on the mission, and likewise if he stays behind, the Honeypot needs to also stay behind for them to be able to kill him. This seems to be Ezekel's interpretation of how it works, too, which is why he wants to volunteer for every mission; if he dies, we know that one of the three others on the mission is the Honeypot and KGB. The only thing, though, is that if any Agency player dies on the mission, we would also know that at least one of the other three is KGB.
2. The Honeypot is a KGB or neutral player who has a power that can be used to kill Archer, but this ability probably has some major drawback. Maybe if it's used, it immediately outs the identity of the Honeypot, or maybe if it's used against someone other than Archer, the Honeypot himself dies. This has to be the case, or this player could just use it every night with impunity.
In any case, in my mind, there are two ways the Honeypot can work:
1. The Honeypot is a KGB player, and the KGB may assassinate Sterling Archer only if the Honeypot and Archer are in the same pool during the night phase. So, if Archer goes on the mission, the KGB can only kill him if the Honeypot is also on the mission, and likewise if he stays behind, the Honeypot needs to also stay behind for them to be able to kill him. This seems to be Ezekel's interpretation of how it works, too, which is why he wants to volunteer for every mission; if he dies, we know that one of the three others on the mission is the Honeypot and KGB. The only thing, though, is that if any Agency player dies on the mission, we would also know that at least one of the other three is KGB.
2. The Honeypot is a KGB or neutral player who has a power that can be used to kill Archer, but this ability probably has some major drawback. Maybe if it's used, it immediately outs the identity of the Honeypot, or maybe if it's used against someone other than Archer, the Honeypot himself dies. This has to be the case, or this player could just use it every night with impunity.
For 2, some Mafia abilities are passive and just modify HOW they kill when they give the command. Someone in AC was a Ninja, for example, who showed no results when being tracked or watched. Strongman is also common. It's someone who ignores Tough, doctors, etc., when killing. There's nothing wrong with having powerful Mafia roles, as long as it's balanced via player count or town roles.
Septimus Prime
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There is one card-based Mafia style game, based on Camelot, where one of the bad guys is the Assassin. This player can instantly win the game if he or she properly identifies Merlin, but in order for him to make an accusation at all, he has to reveal his role. I am thinking this might be close to what the Honeypot is.
Now, in the Mafia games I've played in the past, when the Mafia make a kill, it's by group consensus, and it's not one specific player making the kill. This is how I inferred it to work here, as well, but maybe it isn't.
Don't act like I don't see you up in the Heroes thread, Haly!
It's different in forum mafia. The group still does come to a concensus(usually), but only one player actually PMs Ouro with the Kill: XXXX command. That player will therefor show up on reports if they are watched or tracked at all.
I'm going to play a lot of Nova/Zeratul in QM this week, so I can hunt down the plentiful Abathurs.
Those two points aren't necessarily either-or right? The honeypot could have both restrictions about who she can target and have consequences if she target the wrong person. Of course, that would make the archer role even stronger, so I don't know. I do know however that if only your second point is true and honeypot only has consequences if she target the wrong person, but has no target restrictions Ezekel is basically fucked.
EzekelRAGE
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Two questions ezekel:
A) do you yourself actually agree with our idea to only send you and one other person on the mission to guarantee your safety?
B) how many god damn archer gifs do you have? Like a million+ ????
EzekelRAGE
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A) if KGB did decide to kill me on a mission wn we limit it to two ppl, then they already came to terms with losing a guy for me. If we had an inves and another doctor, we could have both them on a mission and send ppl one by one so the inves can safely get info on ppl.
B)
Quiet day today.
I'm open to unvolunteering.
That said, I don't intend to unvolunteer until those on the list below me have done so.
Other issues:
1. How do we determine who goes with Ezekel?
2. Is the supposed added protection to Ezekel worth the effective loss of the limited chat opportunity?
I'm open to unvolunteering.
That said, I don't intend to unvolunteer until those on the list below me have done so.
Other issues:
1. How do we determine who goes with Ezekel?
2. Is the supposed added protection to Ezekel worth the effective loss of the limited chat opportunity?
Current thoughts re: voting:
I'm leaving my vote for Seath in place for now. He is probably not KGB. However, as a matter of policy the noise and uncertainty he has injected into the day's proceedings lead me to the course that we should go ahead and remove him.
Zubz is still giving me vibes but I'd like to monitor things further before resuming that argument.
I'm leaving my vote for Seath in place for now. He is probably not KGB. However, as a matter of policy the noise and uncertainty he has injected into the day's proceedings lead me to the course that we should go ahead and remove him.
Zubz is still giving me vibes but I'd like to monitor things further before resuming that argument.
That idea would require the investigator and the second doctor to role claim, and then the doctor will probably eat it quite quickly. And this is all assuming we actually have a second doctor.
Only zubz hasn't said anything yet, the rest is OK with it. About your questions:
1. It doesn't really matter, with two persons it would be basically suicide to do anything bad while on a mission.
2. Palmer mentioned that the chat wasn't used that much because nobody trusted each other, so we wouldn't sacrifice a lot. Actually, the chat may even be used more with only two people, because the chance that everybody trust each other enough to talk is much bigger with 2 persons than with 4.
EzekelRAGE
Member
Uhm, idk tbh. What real opportunities would the chat provide especially if mafia managed to get someone in on the first one. Once you have been on one mission you can read each missions logs for the rest of the game right? Maybe I read it wrong?
Sorry I've not posted much this day phase. Been a bit busy organising stuff ready for my teaching course starting soon. On mobile currently so not read through the thread properly, going to get round to that tomorrow as well as finally place a vote on someone. However there is still one thing that concerns me about Ezekel. Maybe my memory is hazy but I remember him giving well reasoned and thoughtful posts for hunting down scum in the AC game. Now since coming out as Archer today every post has been in regards to why he should do something to keep him safe. I just don't feel he is helping hunt out scum for us and seems content to ride the day out doing very little. It feels kind of anti town even though the posts he gave Day 1 had me erring on the side of town.
No, you can only read missions you participated in.
No, you only have access to mission chats where you were a part of, not all of them.
EzekelRAGE
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Welp, that is a lie. I've reponded to ideas have thrown in regards to questions about my role and mission setup. I havent been making a big deal about how I need to be safe though. I gave a reason for my roleclaim and why I will be going on every mission.
Ohhh, ok. It may be a good idea then in regards to limiting 2 ppl on a mission for roleclaims maybe. Still, idk since ppl still dont trust my roleclaim, which is expected I guess.
EzekelRAGE
Member
With my understanding of missions being corrected things could be more fun. It's like the gossip chats with a revolving door and you don't have to worry about other ppl seeing what you type to a person.
While I think you can be a valuable player (if you stopped posting Archer gifs), I don't think you're so important that we have to bend over backwards to keep you safe. You're on the mission, and you're practically invincible. That's enough isn't it?
EzekelRAGE
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Why are you guys making it seem like I was raising this big stink that everyone should protect me?
I don't know man, that's just the direction the conversation went in. I can't keep track of these huge ass posts.
It's going to be insane on Day 6 and we're rereading through Lord of the Rings trying to put together a case.
It's going to be insane on Day 6 and we're rereading through Lord of the Rings trying to put together a case.
My problem with that is we had already discussed other people making the same or similar mistakes before yours came up, if you were paying attention to the thread how did you fail to figure things out with the explanations that were already available?
Septimus Prime
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The obvious answer is that I wasn't paying attention.
Remember my first post when I came back, before I started to ask about everything? In it I say I'm less available on weekends. And since the game kicked off earlier than I expected, I came back to see that I missed pages of posts, which I skimmed through quickly. This is compounded by me misreading the rules, as well as me bringing in assumptions about how things work from offline Mafia games.
Yes, my bad for all of that, and I paid the price for looking stupid there, but it wasn't a ploy.
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
Morning~ Very sleepy today ~___~
We're over the hump of D2 now, eh? Havent heard from some of you :< ... I see Ouro already saying he's pinging Enker and cool? Ouro, can we also get one for TheGoddamn?
I dont want to be the one that's always doing the cattle-prod prodding... Well, cabbeh helped yesterday .... to the exit of Razmos..... which I'm still feeling guilty about >____<
I really, really, dont mind people with low-activity playstyle, but just need to know if they really are still in the game and being quiet......... or if they're really not in it anymore.
QuantumBro at least gave us a heads up with regards to his future level of participation.... which I totes appreciate :>
Anyhoo. Not a lot to catch up with for once :3 I'll just start my day with unvolunteering :>
Unvolunteer
We're over the hump of D2 now, eh? Havent heard from some of you :< ... I see Ouro already saying he's pinging Enker and cool? Ouro, can we also get one for TheGoddamn?
I dont want to be the one that's always doing the cattle-prod prodding... Well, cabbeh helped yesterday .... to the exit of Razmos..... which I'm still feeling guilty about >____<
I really, really, dont mind people with low-activity playstyle, but just need to know if they really are still in the game and being quiet......... or if they're really not in it anymore.
QuantumBro at least gave us a heads up with regards to his future level of participation.... which I totes appreciate :>
Anyhoo. Not a lot to catch up with for once :3 I'll just start my day with unvolunteering :>
Unvolunteer