The second one. It seems like the system is you have to play for 5 minutes each day to get content to unlock on the next day.
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Super Mario Maker: Not all tools available from the start, unlock over 9 days
- Thread starter ElectricBlanketFire
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The second one. It seems like the system is you have to play for 5 minutes each day to get content to unlock on the next day.
redmetal86
Member
#hope4slopes
or nope.
or nope.
TheSpoiler
Member
Yes, yes they did. In fact, tourny goers sighed when they heard you had to unlock characters instead of having them at the start.
You should probably go back and check out those threads before your revisionist history catches up to you.
deltatheta
Member
Yikes, I wonder what your posts are like when something actually is a big deal.
Sword Of Doom
Member
This is just stupid. Don't even know what to say really
RMS Gigantic
Member
You misunderstand the idea: the idea is that when you buy the game, regardless of when you buy the game, on your first day you get some of the game's items, and once you spend 5 minutes playing with them you'll gain access to more items the next day. Until then, you can keep experimenting with the blocks you have access to for that first day. The next day, you get more items, when you spend 5 minutes you unlock more items for the next day, and so on.
FleetingFlowAir
Member
Timed releases worked well with Splatoon, but why do so for Super Mario Maker? If it's for easing people into building levels from basic things to advanced, I'm pretty sure most who buy Super Mario Maker know how almost every object works.
Ah well, 9 days won't kill me. I'll be playing on disc levels and unlocking skins anyway.
Ah well, 9 days won't kill me. I'll be playing on disc levels and unlocking skins anyway.
It's not really a "nine day lock" so much as it is if you spend five minutes a day making a course, you'll get new materials the very next day. Presumably it's at least nine days worth of working considering the counting. It's not a Splatoon scenario as much as it is an Animal Crossing scenario.
It's a bit hard for me to be upset about the method of going by when it feels like there's going to be enough materials to construct crazy courses right from the start. I'll probably see days fly by just playing with what's there from the start and what everyone's already uploaded. Arbitrary? Perhaps, but I can't get mad about it and it'll hardly deteriorate my enjoyment.
TheSpoiler
Member
Yikes, I wonder what your posts are like when you aren't trying to deflect my reasoning due to word count.
Neuromancer
Member
What if you're an offline player? Does it use the WiiU system clock?
well Splatoon worked out better than I expected
I'm optimistic about this. hopefully the level creation community will develop as the new tools get unlocked. I'm imagining a certain tool getting unlocked followed by a flood of levels that use that tool in every way possible. this could end up adding a sense of progression to the levels that are created by the community and that sounds kind of cool to me.
time will tell!
I'm optimistic about this. hopefully the level creation community will develop as the new tools get unlocked. I'm imagining a certain tool getting unlocked followed by a flood of levels that use that tool in every way possible. this could end up adding a sense of progression to the levels that are created by the community and that sounds kind of cool to me.
time will tell!
Since this game isn't online dependent like Splatoon I have to imagine it uses the Wii-U system clock.
Slopes are too hard to master....
So we'll get them early 2016.
LumpOfCole
Member
Should I put my Wii-U's clock 9 days back right now so I can just skip ahead day by day when I get the game?
It's drag and drop, not Unity. I don't need nine days to learn that THING goes in OTHER THING. People aren't idiots. We don't need A TUTORIAL LONGER THAN THE 1967 ARAB ISRAELI WAR.
Why not apply this rule to every game then? In Pokemon there are just SO MANY TYPES. How about on day one, you start with grass and water. Then on day two, electric and ground Pokemon are unlocked. On day three, you get access to fire and flying Pokemon. Heaven forbid someone gets overwhelmed by all these types.
Bobby Roberts
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Thank you.
Chezzymann
Member
Its like animal crossing. If you got the game a year from now, you'd still have to play the game 5 minutes a day for 9 days to get all the content. Probably uses the system clock so you might be able to 'fast forward'
Not how it works, you'll probably have to play the game for five minutes, fast forward a day, play it again for five minutes, etc
TheSpoiler
Member
So here's our strategy.
Play for five minutes
Change clocks.
Repeat 9 times.
I've done worse.
test_account
XP-39C²
I was actually wondering recently if Nintendo would do the same thing with other games as they did with Splatoon, to roll out already created content over time.
I'm really curious to why they do it this time since its only 9 days. If its not to "overwhelm" more casual players with features, a lot of people probably wont buy or play this within the first 9 days anyway.
I'm really curious to why they do it this time since its only 9 days. If its not to "overwhelm" more casual players with features, a lot of people probably wont buy or play this within the first 9 days anyway.
It probably doesn't use online clocks for that very reason since they talked up the offline experience as well.
This is kind of concerning. With Splatoon, I kind of got their logic for wanting to do this, since it was Nintendo's first step into shooters with a heavy online focus. But for a sandboxy creative game like this, it doesn't make sense to lock some of the tool set. It's definitely slightly different than Splatoon (since it's not a global lock) but it still emphasizes that Nintendo wants the games to feel like the game is naturally updating to the player.
Starting to wonder if NX is going to really emphasize the "games as a service" mentality with more timed unlocks. Splatoon gets a decent amount of gaming media buzz every time it updates and sales have been steady. So maybe Nintendo's new strategy is to hide their lack of new software on their platforms by providing tiny nuggets of content every 3 days?
Can't help thinking about those psychology studies with the rats, where they play around with the reward mechanism (random, gradual payouts, etc).
Starting to wonder if NX is going to really emphasize the "games as a service" mentality with more timed unlocks. Splatoon gets a decent amount of gaming media buzz every time it updates and sales have been steady. So maybe Nintendo's new strategy is to hide their lack of new software on their platforms by providing tiny nuggets of content every 3 days?
Can't help thinking about those psychology studies with the rats, where they play around with the reward mechanism (random, gradual payouts, etc).
thisisvlad
Member
Not sure to what extent (and which items) are going to be locked away, but this type of content distribution strategy will have a very interesting effect on the 'meta' of the game. As in, the types of courses and the breadth of courses will evolve with each new item. It also provides the layman a smaller amount of choice so they can become experts before being introduced to more complex capabilities.
I'm sure the 'core gamer' will see this content distribution strategy as an outrage, but I think it has some sound design principles.
I'm sure the 'core gamer' will see this content distribution strategy as an outrage, but I think it has some sound design principles.
Supermanisdead
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You thought FF13's 30 hour tutorial was bad? Check out this 9 day tutorial!
Scientist Supreme!
Banned
I don't like when these threads turn into people shitting on each other for "defending" or being "against" the topic on hand.
For me it's no problem. I was fine with it for splatoon and I'm fine here.
For me it's no problem. I was fine with it for splatoon and I'm fine here.
People are forced to actually engage with the editor instead of imagining that they know what they are doing and missing basic stuff. Soon after launch we will be getting levels with significantly better integration of all the editor's little features than we would have been otherwise.
It really is not a bad thing.
Remember that Pokemon game where at the beginning Prof. Oak gives you every single Pokemon, and in turn they each know every move that they can ever learn?
I'll set my Wii-U system clock back 9 days so when I'm done I'm back on the present day as well
Dwight Schrute
Member
Looks awesome and beyond amazing.
It's on an individual basis, so waiting 9 days wouldn't change anything.
Maintenance
Member
You don't even have to go to FF13, look at Mario & Luigi: Dream Team.
because it makes new players slowly understand what is going on /splatoon crew spin
This is where you are wrong. People that are complaining are just going to play the game for EXACTLY 18 days. That means that they have 9 days to play with all the tools. That is not enough.
Seriously, all this outrage will be forgotten soon after launch.
vainglorious
Member
Wow! A 9 day tutorial for Mario Maker?
2 week tutorial for Zelda U incoming.
Or maybe the entire game will be a tutorial.
Ninception.
2 week tutorial for Zelda U incoming.
Or maybe the entire game will be a tutorial.
Ninception.
TheSpoiler
Member
Let's not get ahead of ourselves. I doubt this is some "games as a service" experiment shit. Just a silly one off thing that'll people changing the clocks.
That implies that people need to do so, or that this limit is going to magically make people produce better levels. A more surefire way is a damn good tutorial, something of which other creators lack.
I mean, they are halfway there with the drag-and-drop aspect and the tablet.
That implies that people need to do so, or that this limit is going to magically make people produce better levels. A more surefire way is a damn good tutorial, something of which other creators lack.
I mean, they are halfway there with the drag-and-drop aspect and the tablet.
Chezzymann
Member
No it wont, every new person that gets the game will have to wait no matter when they buy it so id imagine this frustration will last a while, even carrying into reviews
toythatkills
Member
Pokémon does drip-feed its types, it's not like you walk into the grass outside Pallet Town and there's a bloody great dragon type there. It does it differently but it still does it gradually.
Seriously though, IT'S NINE DAYS. If the world ends sometime in the nine days after Super Mario Maker releases then I apologise because boy will I have egg on my face but seriously this is so fucking insignificant.
Another thing, with people being forced to practice using items properly, the levels the community as a whole create will be better.
The point of the video is that not every item works how you'd expect it to work, even if you're experienced.
This isn't a good thing, it's an arbitrary lock. It doesn't add anything, it doesn't make anything easier. Splatoon is a shared experience, adding content over time makes more sense. It's not at all comparable the Animal Crossing, which creates a setting which changes over time and has unique events for the player to experience. Mario Maker isn't a setting, it doesn't need real time events to make it feel more real or create a sense of progression. It's not comparable to fighting games that have you unlock new characters or stages by playing the game, there's a key difference between content unlocked by skill and content unlocked by time.
If new content was unlocked by playing the game this wouldn't really be a huge issue, people can learn the ropes with basic content before, unlocking new content and moving on to that, without needing to wait on an arbitrary time limit. The it's only 9 days argument just doesn't excuse it, explain how making an arbitrary lock not that long, (but still pretty long) makes the situation any better. If I died before I unlocked all the content it would be an arbitrary lock, if I didn't and then went on to live to 120 years, it would still be an arbitrary lock.
If new content was unlocked by playing the game this wouldn't really be a huge issue, people can learn the ropes with basic content before, unlocking new content and moving on to that, without needing to wait on an arbitrary time limit. The it's only 9 days argument just doesn't excuse it, explain how making an arbitrary lock not that long, (but still pretty long) makes the situation any better. If I died before I unlocked all the content it would be an arbitrary lock, if I didn't and then went on to live to 120 years, it would still be an arbitrary lock.
LumpOfCole
Member
I can live with this as long as the Wii-U's clock does the trick. I want all the tools!
ElectricBlanketFire
Member
Once again: Not outraged, just annoyed.
Seriously. When did having a complaint or criticism turn into outrage?
Supermanisdead
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Link is tired after completing the dungeon. Please wait 24 hours for his stamina to recharge.
tim_pkmn89
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Hero Prinny
Member
Thats so dumb and annoying
Omegasquash
Member
I don't think it's a good decision myself, but I'm also of the opinion that it won't make a big difference.
9 days isn't that long of a time at all but yeah options and choices are nice.
Ah I see. Thanks.