lemonlyman
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Game doesn't recognize my Xbox One controller at all. On a Win 10 machine here.
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Grandia 2 Anniversary Edition on August 24, $20 (25% off sale at launch)
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BassForever
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So even with the problems this version is worth picking up over my PS2 version? I'm replaying/finishing Grandia 1 on my Vita currently.
One of the worst hard mode i encounter..... they really need to change it and make it... actualy hard...
BassForever
Member
There already exists a hard mode patch for the old PC version I'm sure someone can make it work with the Steam release
I caved in and got it because of all the praise I've heard about its combat system. I've never truly enjoyed combat in JRPGs (maybe Paper Mario?), so I'm curious as to why Grandia's combat is so good.
Anyway, for a first time player, should I play with the English or Japanese audio? I would normally go with English, but I've heard the dub is pretty awful.
Anyway, for a first time player, should I play with the English or Japanese audio? I would normally go with English, but I've heard the dub is pretty awful.
PumpkinSpice
Banned
It's like hilariously bad.
I know, was never able to make the original disc version work on my windows 7... i'm will be waiting anyway... the game just froze me twice... that's enough...
Bad as in avoid at all costs or must-play for the hilarity?
BassForever
Member
texhnolyze
Banned
I guess I'll just wait for the widescreen patch and 'real' hardmode mod.
PumpkinSpice
Banned
It's not MM8 levels of funny bad but I think there's a certain charm to that era of bad videogame dubs.
ShadowgeistX
Member
I must be one of the few who thinks the english audio is actually good, at least for its time. But then again, I played Tales of Destiny 2 (Eternia US) so I also had the "pleasure" of listening to that.
Yet also the best voice acting in the series.
It's not *that* bad. The original Grandia had a truly terrible dub. 2's is just wildly inconsistent.
BONKERS
Member
Fixed that for you.
I bought this. I am hoping they patch the crazy loud sound effects and unbalanced audio levels. And the Hard Mode which seems to be a joke.
Unless I can mod it all myself. Which I plan on doing if possible.
I also expect numerous mods community!
MarcoZombieCannon
Member
I quite enjoy almost the entirety of MGS1's voice cast in a JRPG
Yes. I ended up buying it, but the sound effects are way too loud. And some higher res text/menus and such would be fantastic.
BONKERS
Member
It seems they kept the same .exe name as the original PC release which had a lot of driver side optimizations it seems. Since it's a new port, I wonder if they accounted for these or if they might cause issues with the new port.
Also: Does it seem like it uses DInput instead of XInput?
Also: Does it seem like it uses DInput instead of XInput?
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
A shame the port seems somewhat bare bones. Maybe it will be updated or modded to add some further improvements (resolutions, widescreen, higher res GUI).
I'll probably pick it up next time it is discounted. Just bought new tires. If the port was nicer I might have skipped some meals and bought it anyway, but as it is I'll just hold off a few months.
I'll probably pick it up next time it is discounted. Just bought new tires. If the port was nicer I might have skipped some meals and bought it anyway, but as it is I'll just hold off a few months.
Oh yes, I got an audio oddity similar to the one you mentioned too. For FMVs it seemed slightly offset and you'll hear the beginning loop again for just a second when the FMV ends. Sometimes the background music in a zone or whatever would clearly end and restart as well but I'm not sure if that's how it always was.
Also for general note: just do the hard mode. Game is still pretty darn easy
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
I have realized I remember very little from this game aside from the general skeleton of the story and its soundtrack
Is anyone doing an OT?
Is anyone doing an OT?
Skies of Arcadia has nothing on this.
Gamer79
Predicts the worst decade for Sony starting 2022
Love both games but Skies of Arcadia is the best rpg ever IMO
BONKERS
Member
It seems there are two Sound directories "Sound" and "Sound_n". Some of the encodes in "Sound_n" sound noticeably poorer.
Like "_OPB4d.ogg"
"Sound_n OPB4"
""Sound OPB4"
Despite being a lower sample rate and more lossy encode the "Sound" folder OPB4 has more high end definition and oddly sounds less lossy at a glance
In some of them there are multiple encodes of the same song.
Both directories contain "btl01" which is the main battle theme. But it is obviously of poorer quality than even my lossy encode of the OST version of the song.
Another is the title theme Deus, there are 3 encodes between the two directories with some variation on "KAMI_inst01" And one of them clearly sounds better than the other two
Like "_OPB4d.ogg"
"Sound_n OPB4"
""Sound OPB4"
Despite being a lower sample rate and more lossy encode the "Sound" folder OPB4 has more high end definition and oddly sounds less lossy at a glance
In some of them there are multiple encodes of the same song.
Both directories contain "btl01" which is the main battle theme. But it is obviously of poorer quality than even my lossy encode of the OST version of the song.
Another is the title theme Deus, there are 3 encodes between the two directories with some variation on "KAMI_inst01" And one of them clearly sounds better than the other two
cj_iwakura
Member
I'd offer to, because this is my favorite Dreamcast RPG, but I have no intention of buying it since I'm also happy with my DC copy.
I'm glad someone mentioned the bug where speaking to the tutorial guy changes all enemy ai. I never knew about or couldn't remember that from when I played 15 years ago on the Dreamcast!
Assuming it's the same bug - I thought it was really strange that (warning: minor first 30 minute spoilers)
Would be great to get this bug fixed too.
Assuming it's the same bug - I thought it was really strange that (warning: minor first 30 minute spoilers)
the spiders were only casting a 'power crush' spell that nearly one shot kills you in the first tower, after replaying without speaking to the tutorial guy they are using their standard attack.
Would be great to get this bug fixed too.
As someone who was looking forward to Grandia II more than Skies of Arcadia throughout the year 2000, it felt like I was the only one. There was way more hype for Skies, but Grandia II was the one that I lusted over for almost an entire year.
In the end, I love them both, but I'll always have a soft spot for Grandia II.
princemarth23
Member
My computer blue screened when I tried launching the game. Any ideas?
Edit: Nevermind, I had to manually configure the game in my game library. Weird.
Edit: Nevermind, I had to manually configure the game in my game library. Weird.
Ah, that's nice to hear
. Here's hoping it opens up even further oppurtunities to bring old classics to PCmost old games especially console games is tied to framerate, the company won't bother with PC port if it needs to be 60fps. You can easily hex edit the game file for true widescreen support in original PC port, I think the reason it won't have official support from the dev because some of Grandia II spell animation is FMV, it won't be possible to convert prerendered spell animation to widescreen. So read reviews, if you don't like it, then don't buy it.
BONKERS
Member
Yeah, man the foot steps. Dear lord!
I'm trying to replace some of the audio files with the OST versions too
EDIT: Replacing some of the Audio Files seems to be working so far. No crashes. Let's see how they loop. If this works then we could upgrade many songs to their OST versionsEdit: No looping problems so far with the song I replaced. It plays to the end. Then starts again. (My preferred method for looping streamed audio)
Apparently "sounds_n" is only used with Japanese audio maybe? "N=Nihongo?"
The aspect ratio is tied more to the things like Spell effects. Which are video overlays.
I'm not saying there shouldn't be an option to run widescreen but have the spells still overlayed in 4:3. But that's just how it is.
The framerate, wouldn't it be possible to set the game speed to half and then run at 60FPS like many emulator hacks do?
It also seems this port suffers the same as Type-0 or Akiba's Trip where the mouse cursor is stuck on screen. That's super annoying dude
BONKERS
Member
Here's a video of the battle theme replaced with an arranged one for example
*IGNORE the strange letterboxing. Handbrake did this on it's own when I encoded the video*
https://copy.com/WO7E4iRwlEVngR3Q
WARNING IS MUCH LOUD
Also: I have to say whatever work they did on the graphics, very subtle but makes a pretty big difference. It looks so good
One other issue i've noticed is the music in the intro aren't as seamless/looping properly compared to the DC version. It just cuts right in with the new section, which is odd.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRID23i_MFk
Specifically @3:50 (compare that to this new one), then again @4:01 Edit: Looking at it NOW, it seems the Animations are no longer timed to the music. As you can see when Elena and the guy are bowing the music matches their actions.
(Non emulated https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ugIIqI5Zp0)
In this version there are new sound effects here now. But they don't seem to loop properly. Which sounds odd.
As well, since the battles start so much faster now, the encounter sound effect conflicts with the beginning of the battle music. Which sounds really awful.
You can also see why widescreen wouldn't really work too
*IGNORE the strange letterboxing. Handbrake did this on it's own when I encoded the video*
https://copy.com/WO7E4iRwlEVngR3Q
WARNING IS MUCH LOUD
Also: I have to say whatever work they did on the graphics, very subtle but makes a pretty big difference. It looks so good
One other issue i've noticed is the music in the intro aren't as seamless/looping properly compared to the DC version. It just cuts right in with the new section, which is odd.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRID23i_MFk
Specifically @3:50 (compare that to this new one), then again @4:01 Edit: Looking at it NOW, it seems the Animations are no longer timed to the music. As you can see when Elena and the guy are bowing the music matches their actions.
(Non emulated https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ugIIqI5Zp0)
In this version there are new sound effects here now. But they don't seem to loop properly. Which sounds odd.
As well, since the battles start so much faster now, the encounter sound effect conflicts with the beginning of the battle music. Which sounds really awful.
You can also see why widescreen wouldn't really work too
MulderYuffie
Member
Ah, that's nice to hear
Really looking forward to the possibility of more Grandia love this series!
So apparently it's compatible with Dreamcast saves. I guess I missed that there was some kind of hardware that allowed you to transfer data from a VMU to a PC?
How are people talking shit about the Grandia 2 dub?! It is at the very least one of the better JRPG dubs of its time. Not to mention the frankly great localization. I think the English dialogue still stands out among JRPGs today. That and the characters are one of the main reasons to play the game.
How are people talking shit about the Grandia 2 dub?! It is at the very least one of the better JRPG dubs of its time. Not to mention the frankly great localization. I think the English dialogue still stands out among JRPGs today. That and the characters are one of the main reasons to play the game.
It's a product of what mid-budget JRPG VA's were at the time. It's bad by today's standards but not at all by back then
BONKERS
Member
Here's an example clip of background noise not looping properly https://copy.com/tEl4Ecm0rJrHfcMe
The cast itself was really solid, it's the direction that was questionable. It's like the actors were told to just be over the top and then they just kept the first take they did.
Eh, remember that this was 2 years before Final Fantasy had voice acting.
Even up till today when you get talent in the room and tell them "This is for a video game" they respond "REALLY?" and helpfully dive right into Cartoon Mode. Worse if you tell them it's a localization of a Japanese game and if they've ever, EVER done anime.
(But yes, regardless of reasoning I agree JP voice is far superior for Grandia 2)
Even up till today when you get talent in the room and tell them "This is for a video game" they respond "REALLY?" and helpfully dive right into Cartoon Mode. Worse if you tell them it's a localization of a Japanese game and if they've ever, EVER done anime.
(But yes, regardless of reasoning I agree JP voice is far superior for Grandia 2)
The dialogue is hilarious, thanks to the sarcastic main character. Pick whichever language you're most proficient in. You can't go wrong.