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Out of control pit bulls attack man.

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CarpeDeezNutz

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It comes down to shitty owners. I'm not a pet person at all, but I see people who struggle with their dogs and then others with big dogs who have great control of them.
 
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Speevy

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Alebrije said:
So now Pitbulls are the evil dogs instead Dobermans

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Hello, this is dog.
 
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DeaconKnowledge

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So uh...what happened to the dogs and the owner? Is there a news story I can read?

edit: here. The person walking them was not the owner.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/09/12/bronx-dog-attack/

NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) — A woman has been arrested and charged after her two pit bulls attacked a man on the street in the Bronx.
The vicious attack on Belmont Avenue between E 187th and E 188th streets happened Friday evening, police said.
YouTube video of the incident shows two white pit bulls attack the man as he stood in the street.
The person walking the dogs can be seen trying to restrain them, but to no avail. The victim then falls to the ground as the dogs continue to attack.
As the video continues, neighbors step in to try and get the dogs off the victim while a person can be heard calling 911 to report the attack.
With the help of several good Samaritans, the bloodied victim is able to get away from the dogs after several minutes.
Warning: Video Contains Graphic Content
YouTube Video: Two Pit Bulls Attack Man On Belmont Avenue
Police told 1010 WINS the victim, a 55-year-old man, was taken to Saint Barnabas Hospital in stable condition.
Another man who stepped in to fend off the dogs was also injured in the attack and taken to Saint Barnabas Hospital, police said.
The pit bulls were taken to Animal Care & Control of NYC, authorities said.
The dogs’ owner, 55-year-old Cynthia Oliver, was charged with multiple counts of assault and reckless endangerment, police said.
 
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panty

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I have two dogs of my own that I deeply love but those dogs need to be put down for good.

Also the owner should be handed a lifelong ban of keeping animals.
 
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Ultima_5

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I really want to get a dog but every time I see these threads I get stressed Out and change my mind because I imagine the dog getting attacked
By a pit bull :(
 
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haikira

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Shouldn't have opened that link. I'm not great with blood, and nearly passed out just skimming through it.

There is a warning on the opening post, so I've no one to blame but myself.
 
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Bobby Roberts

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harriet the spy said:
A great article on pitbull by esquire:

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a23731/american-dog-0814/
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Interesting read. An honest description of this lengthy article would go something like

"Writer and owner of two rescue dogs visits experts and analysts to determine why we think of pit bulls the way we do, after his rescue pit injures two much smaller dogs in the course of four months."

And it'd be accurate. The pit this writer owns does, over the course of the article, hospitalize two smaller dogs in that period of time. (The article opens with the first, and closes with the second) But between those two anecdotes, there are some very interesting passages:

Luis Salgado, the animal-services investigator charged with enforcing the pit-bull ban in Miami, admits that "there is no reliable DNA testing for that breed. DNA is useless. If you look at where that breed came from, there's American bulldog, there's terrier—all watered down and mixed together to produce the dog we now call the pit bull." What Salgado uses to establish a dog's genetic identity is not genetics but rather "physical characteristics—we have a forty-seven-point checklist. Any dog that substantially conforms to the characteristics of a pit bull is considered a pit bull." You know one when you see one, in other words—and so the second irony proceeds from the first: You see a lot of them... "It doesn't have to be purebred to be considered a pit bull." A German shepherd crossed with a pit bull is a pit bull. A cocker spaniel crossed with a pit bull is a pit bull. "We had a beautiful dog in here not long ago that was a pit-Weimaraner mix," says Lieutenant Cheryl Shepard, who runs the animal shelter in Cobb County, Georgia, where I live. "But we try not to call dogs pit mixes, because then nobody will adopt them. So we called it a Weimaraner mix. And it looked like a Weimaraner. It had a lot of the traits of a Weimaraner. We found a woman to adopt it. But she took it to her vet and he said, 'No, that's a pit bull.' She returned it the next day."
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On the adoption of their first rescue dog, Carson, previously used as a bait dog by other dogfighters.

We were in the process of adopting our daughter, and they told her that she was putting everything at risk. You got what? A pit bull? A fighting dog? Have you lost your mind? We contemplated giving Carson back until we took him for a walk one day and a school bus emptied out in front of us. We tried to stop the children from accosting him—"We don't know him!"—but they were all over him, and there he stood in the middle of them, with his grin and his glimmer. We wound up taking him to a canine behaviorist at the University of Georgia, who spent four hours with him and said, "He's a great dog" while assuring us that he was a dog before he was a pit bull. And that is the heart of the matter when you own a pit bull. The language of institutional animosity toward your dog—the language of breed bans and insurance restrictions—takes great pains to declare that your dog is not like other dogs but rather something less and at the same time something more: something Other. And I have to admit there was something different about Carson. For reasons that must be hardwired to our own species, dog owners everywhere ask the same question of their dogs: "Are you a good boy?" But when you have a dog as brutalized as Carson had been, a dog as indelibly marked by blood ritual, the question acquires an existential urgency. You really want to know, and what distinguished Carson from any other dog I've owned was how he answered. We had him for eleven years, and in that time he demonstrated that the goodness of certain creatures has to be innate, since his was definitely not instilled by humans. If he triumphed over his own supposed nature, he also triumphed over ours, and as such he had the sheen of miracle about him—there was just no accounting for him, even when he died. He was old and he was arthritic, and we thought he had kidney disease when in fact he had a tumor comprised of blood vessels seated deep in his abdomen. It ruptured one night last September, and as he was bleeding out internally at 2:30 in the morning, he managed to jump into our bed to spend his last hours with us. I still don't know how he did it.
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On the subtle and not-so-subtle profiling and 2nd amendment arguments that tend to pop up during discussions of pitbulls:

I am aware that my argument has been made before: for Second Amendment rights and gun ownership. There is a reason for this besides the frequent comparison of pit bulls to AK-47's and the like. More and more, the arguments we have in our society boil down to the same argument, with members of an aggrieved group asking to be considered as individuals and members of society at large insisting on judging them as a group—with the exception deemed the rule. When pit bulls are criminalized, will only criminals have pit bulls? You learn a lot about America when you own a pit bull. You learn not just who likes your dog; you learn what kind of person likes your dog—and what kind of person fears him. You generalize. You profile. You see a well-heeled white woman walking a golden retriever and expect her to cross the street and give you a dirty look; you see the guy who's cutting down her trees or pressure-washing her driveway and you expect him to say: "That's a beautiful dog." Or: "How much you want for that dog?" Or: "You fight that dog?" You learn that the argument about pit bulls takes place along the lines of class and, to a lesser extent, race. The opposition to pit bulls might not be racist; it does, however, employ racial thinking. If a pit-bull-Labrador mix bites, then the pit bull is always what has done the biting, its portion of the blood—its taint—ineradicable and finally decisive.
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On the statistics, and how authorities deal with those numbers:

America is two countries now—the country of its narrative and the country of its numbers, with the latter sitting in judgment of the former. In the stories we tell ourselves, we are nearly always too good: too soft on criminals, too easy on terrorists, too lenient with immigrants, too kind to animals. In the stories told by our numbers, we imprison, we drone, we deport, and we euthanize with an easy conscience and an avenging zeal. We have become schizophrenic in that way, and pit bulls hold up the same mirror as the 2.2 million souls in our prisons and jails and the more than 350,000 people we deport every year. Every year, American shelters have to kill about 1.2 million dogs. But both pro- and anti-pit-bull organizations estimate that of these, anywhere from 800,000 to nearly 1 million are pit bulls. We kill anywhere from 2,000 to 3,000 pit bulls a day. They are rising simultaneously in popularity and disposability, becoming something truly American, a popular dog forever poised on the brink of extermination. There is endless argument over the reliability of bite statistics and breed identification and over the question of whether aggression in dogs is associated with specific genes or environmental triggers common to all dogs: that is, whether pit bulls who bite do so because they are pit bulls or because they are more likely to be intact male dogs at the end of a chain. But even if you concede the worst of the statistics—even if you concede the authority of a fourteen-year-old CDC report that implicated pit bulls and rottweilers in a majority of fatal dog attacks—one thing is certain about pit bulls in America: They are more sinned against than sinning.
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I've excerpted a lot of this article, but there's still about 2/3rds of it left to read at the link. If you're in here and even mildly emotionally affected by either side of the argument, it's worth your time to read the rest of it. Thanks to harriet for linking it.
 
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Banglish

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I've been around some big dogs like boxers and have been scared to death, other times around giant german shepards which were so gentle upon first meeting I felt comfortable enough to pet and play around with. My best friend has an american eskimo/pomerian, the little shit still tries to bite my hands since they brought him home. I don't believe it's purely the dogs fault however.
 
Thaedolus

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dead souls said:
Awful, awful breed that should be banned.

Wanting to own a pit bull proves that you shouldn't be allowed to have one. I've rarely seen a bigger douchebag magnet than them.
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Yeah so comments like this don't help anything.

What I see in the video is this:
-First and foremost: an owner who doesn't know how to control a dog.
-Two dogs. The difficulty of one dog vs two isn't an addition equation, it's a multiplication. A poorly trained dog is annoying to handle, two poorly trained dogs are a nightmare because they feed off each other.
-Two dogs, revisited. Dogs have a fight or flight instinct just like we do, and they understand when they are outnumbered, or when they have the advantage. I've seen my dog act bolder and more aggressive when she's with other dogs she knows, and I've seen her bounce on three dogs half her size when they surrounded her, at a full GTFO of here sprint. The dogs in the video were likely thinking they got this guy 3 on 1 (including their owner)
-Powerful breed of dogs not to be handled my some amateur. When my parents rescued a pit about 10 years ago, she was in training from day one. She was loved, clean, and disciplined, which made her gentle and loving in return, to the point we'd let my sister's toddler kids play with her (supervised, of course). She was an extremely loyal and playful dog.

I understand why people want to hate on the breed, but I've never found their temperament to be out of line with other breeds. The biggest X factor is they're just super powerful, and tend to have douchey owners. Yeah, you can make dogs into huge assholes if you want. At the end of the day that's on you though, not the dog.
 
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entremet

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Thaedolus said:
Yeah so comments like this don't help anything.

What I see in the video is this:
-First and foremost: an owner who doesn't know how to control a dog.
-Two dogs. The difficulty of one dog vs two isn't an addition equation, it's a multiplication. A poorly trained dog is annoying to handle, two poorly trained dogs are a nightmare because they feed off each other.
-Two dogs, revisited. Dogs have a fight or flight instinct just like we do, and they understand when they are outnumbered, or when they have the advantage. I've seen my dog act bolder and more aggressive when she's with other dogs she knows, and I've seen her bounce on three dogs half her size when they surrounded her, at a full GTFO of here sprint. The dogs in the video were likely thinking they got this guy 3 on 1 (including their owner)
-Powerful breed of dogs not to be handled my some amateur. When my parents rescued a pit about 10 years ago, she was in training from day one. She was loved, clean, and disciplined, which made her gentle and loving in return, to the point we'd let my sister's toddler kids play with her (supervised, of course). She was an extremely loyal and playful dog.

I understand why people want to hate on the breed, but I've never found their temperament to be out of line with other breeds. The biggest X factor is they're just super powerful, and tend to have douchey owners. Yeah, you can make dogs into huge assholes if you want. At the end of the day that's on you though, not the dog.
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I'm pretty middle ground with pits. I had a neighbor that had a super sweet one. I loved that doggie.

But who do you blame if you have a great owner that happened to rescue a fighting dog? If that dog attacks someone and the owner is a great, loving, and attentive owner, who do you blame?

That's why it's a nuanced issue.

I don't it's as simple as blaming the breed completely or blaming the owners completely.

There are many factors and these attempts to reductive thinking don't allow more sensible solutions.
 
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HardRojo

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Fucking awful owners. They are the reason I walk around big dogs when I see one with its owner approaching the street. I've seen it happen twice (though not as awful as what happened in the video) and I've actually been bitten by a dog before (still got the scar on my left thumb) so I prefer not to take my chances around big dogs anymore, you never know who's actually a good owner and who has one just to "look cool".
 
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TheLostBigBoss

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Those bystanders the the most incompetent idiots next to the owner.

When you have two huge dogs like that mauling a man, you don't try to pull them off all gently, you fucking start punching and kicking them off.
 
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Two Words

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23qwerty said:
Just spay and neuter every pitbull honestly. It's humane and they're responsible for the vast majority of deaths. There's nothing to be gained from letting them stick around. Just get other breeds.
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I've seen plenty of pit bulls that were just as happy and friendly as any other dog. I've even watched over some and they were fine. Blame the owners, not the dog. If pitbulls didn't exist, these shitty owners would just train the next largest breed to be violent.
 
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Sanjuro

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TheLostBigBoss said:
Those bystanders the the most incompetent idiots next to the owner.

When you have two huge dogs like that mauling a man, you don't try to pull them off all gently, you fucking start punching and kicking them off.
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If I'm walking down a street and witness a person being mauled by numerous dogs, my first instinct isn't going to be trading places with them.
 
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derek212

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http://nydailynews.com/new-york/pit-bulls-attack-man-bronx-graphic-video-shows-article-1.2358056?utm_content=buffer0fd16&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=NYDailyNewsTw

A Bronx woman ordered her two pit bulls to viciously attack a 62-year-old man Friday morning as neighbors frantically tried to intervene and blood streaked the street, according to police and graphic video.

Cynthia Oliver, 55, began arguing with the unnamed victim outside her building at 2414 Belmont Ave, police said. She soon let the pets off the leash and ordered them to attack, they said.

After the pets lunged at the man, a good Samaritan tried to wrangle them in on their leashes, according to video filmed from a nearby apartment.

The beasts kept up their assault as the victim twisted on the ground and the other man stepped over him to try to protect him. At one point, the pit bulls bit the man's shoulders and pulled him closer to the curb.

As a witness in the video screamed and called police, about eight neighbors swarmed to stop the attack, including those armed with a hose, a whip and a bat.

While neighbors whipped the dogs away and blasted them with water, the pit bulls went after a 46-year-old good Samaritan.

The action moved off camera as the first victim lay in a small pool of blood. He soon got up and walked away.

The first victim lost a part of his right ear and suffered lacerations to his chest and arms, police said. He and the 46-year-old man, who suffered cuts to his arms, were taken to Saint Barnabas Hospital in stable condition. The dogs were taken to Animal Care and Control.

Oliver was charged with eight counts of assault and two counts of reckless endangerment.

I live around there too :(
 
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entremet

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Two Words said:
I've seen plenty of pit bulls that were just as happy and friendly as any other dog. I've even watched over some and they were fine. Blame the owners, not the dog. If pitbulls didn't exist, these shitty owners would just train the next largest breed to be violent.
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The issue is if so there are so many dumb and negligent owners, you ban ownership, which is what many jurisdictions have done already.

It's way harder to require competence from owners by law.

Again, I don't think pits should be outright banned, but I'm just explaining the reasoning used.

derek212 said:
http://nydailynews.com/new-york/pit-bulls-attack-man-bronx-graphic-video-shows-article-1.2358056?utm_content=buffer0fd16&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=NYDailyNewsTw

A Bronx woman ordered her two pit bulls to viciously attack a 62-year-old man Friday morning as neighbors frantically tried to intervene and blood streaked the street, according to police and graphic video.

Cynthia Oliver, 55, began arguing with the unnamed victim outside her building at 2414 Belmont Ave, police said. She soon let the pets off the leash and ordered them to attack, they said.

After the pets lunged at the man, a good Samaritan tried to wrangle them in on their leashes, according to video filmed from a nearby apartment.

The beasts kept up their assault as the victim twisted on the ground and the other man stepped over him to try to protect him. At one point, the pit bulls bit the man's shoulders and pulled him closer to the curb.

As a witness in the video screamed and called police, about eight neighbors swarmed to stop the attack, including those armed with a hose, a whip and a bat.

While neighbors whipped the dogs away and blasted them with water, the pit bulls went after a 46-year-old good Samaritan.

The action moved off camera as the first victim lay in a small pool of blood. He soon got up and walked away.

The first victim lost a part of his right ear and suffered lacerations to his chest and arms, police said. He and the 46-year-old man, who suffered cuts to his arms, were taken to Saint Barnabas Hospital in stable condition. The dogs were taken to Animal Care and Control.

Oliver was charged with eight counts of assault and two counts of reckless endangerment.

I live around there too :(
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Holy hell. What a horrible woman. Rot in jail.
 
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HariKari

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Two Words said:
I've seen plenty of pit bulls that were just as happy and friendly as any other dog. I've even watched over some and they were fine. Blame the owners, not the dog. If pitbulls didn't exist, these shitty owners would just train the next largest breed to be violent.
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Pit bulls have a tendency to snap and enter a savage state. They're like any other dog the rest of the time. It's when they lose their shit that they are extremely dangerous. They aren't discouraged when attacking and are hard to stop without serious force. It's a dangerous breed.

Any large animal can be dangerous to others. It just so happens that Pit Bulls were bred for fighting. Owning a medium or larger sized terrier is a big responsibility, and a lot of people aren't ready for it.
 
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openrob

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If I was one of those guys helping out I would be booting that dog as hard as fucking possible.
Fuck that man, dogs need to be muzzled in public

I had my friends Pit attack another friends staff (well they went after eachother) amd it took 4 of us just to separate them. I have heard a load of stories of hw to get a dog to let go of a lock jaw, mainly by a swift kick in the balls, don't know if it's true.
 
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hoos30

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Something like this happened on a smaller scale two months ago in my fairly upscale neighborhood. My idiot neighbors allow their petite 11 year old son to walk their two very large and aggressive blue pits.

It was inevitable that they would attack someone one day, and they did. They got loose from the house and basically had our whole block on lockdown while the police searched for them. Police ended up shooting one to death and animal control put down the other.

One month later, I shit you not, the parents bought the boy two more PitBull puppies.
 
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Two Words

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entrement said:
The issue is if so there are so many dumb and negligent owners, you ban ownership, which is what many jurisdictions have done already.

It's way harder to require competence from owners by law.

Again, I don't think pits should be outright banned, but I'm just explaining the reasoning used.
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Ok, pits are banned. Shitty owners that want tough dogs will go and get the next-most capable breed of violence. Are we gonna just keep that cycle going?
 
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HardRojo

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TheLostBigBoss said:
Those bystanders the the most incompetent idiots next to the owner.

When you have two huge dogs like that mauling a man, you don't try to pull them off all gently, you fucking start punching and kicking them off.
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I'd just call 911 and hope for the best. No way in hell I'm closing in on two violent dogs who'll destroy me in a second.

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So you are saying it doesn't matter how dog is raised? It doesn't affect at all how dog turns out?
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I think he means that people who claim pit bulls can only be raised to be violent dogs are spouting BS.
 
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kirblar

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entrement said:
I'm pretty middle ground with pits. I had a neighbor that had a super sweet one. I loved that doggie.

But who do you blame if you have a great owner that happened to rescue a fighting dog? If that dog attacks someone and the owner is a great, loving, and attentive owner, who do you blame?

That's why it's a nuanced issue.

I don't it's as simple as blaming the breed completely or blaming the owners completely.

There are many factors and these attempts to reductive thinking don't allow more sensible solutions.
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The big issue is not neutering the males. They make up the vast majority of dog attacks, regardless of breed. Leaving a dog with the power of a pit intact is giving a gun an AI.

My dad has a super-sweet pit rescue who's a giant scaredy cat. It's also a girl.
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=NYDailyNewsTw
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edit: HOLY F at the actual story.
 
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hoos30

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openrob said:
If I was onwe of those guys helping out I would be booting that dog as hard as fucking possible.
Fuck that man, dogs need to be muzzled it public

I had my friends Pit attack another friends staff (well they went after eachother) amd it took 4 of us just to separate them. I jave heard a load of stories of hpw to get a doggg to let go of a lock jaw, mainly by a swift kick in the balls, don't know if it's true.
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I've read that you're supposed to try to grab them by the hind legs and twist them around...hopefully I'll never have to find out.
 
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BlueSilver

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Those two dogs are definitely going to be put down. The owner either raised them horribly wrong or he/she got the short end of the stick twice when it comes to the temperament of these dogs.

I'm in the camp that believes that Pit Bulls as a breed are given an unfair reputation that puts them in a vicious cycle of them being constantly called out by the media, which in turn brings the breed's "reputation" to the attention of idiots, which then leads to more poor handling and breeding, which then leads to more news reports. They also have the double whammy of having their reputation being taught to everyone via word of mouth.

...Something like that. Basically, I believe that the breed is stuck between a rock and a hard place. As long as their reputation exists, the breed will be continuously screwed over.
 
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kirblar

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hoos30 said:
Something like this happened on a smaller scale two months ago in my fairly upscale neighborhood. My idiot neighbors allow their petite 11 year old son to walk their two very large and aggressive blue pits.

It was inevitable that they would attack someone one day, and they did. They got loose from the house and basically had our whole block on lockdown while the police searched for them. Police ended up shooting one to death and animal control put down the other.

One month later, I shit you not, the parents bought the boy two more PitBull puppies.
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I'd call CPS out of spite.
 
entremet

entremet

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Two Words said:
Ok, pits are banned. Shitty owners that want tough dogs will go and get the next-most capable breed of violence. Are we gonna just keep that cycle going?
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Again, the issue is multifactorial.

Pits have a perfect blend here:

-They're used for fighting dogs
-They have the size and strength to do damage
-They have the temperament to be vicious when provoked
-They take up a huge amount of the shelter system due to the first point.

Again, I don't want pits to be banned personally, but I can see the reasoning.

You can't force owners to take dog training/care classes nor neuter pets.

Do you see why banning is easier?
 
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Two Words

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If I were being attacked by a vicious dog, I would try to punt it like a football. I have play fought with my dogs before and they get pretty serious, they just don't bite hard. But it never seems hard to keep them off me. I think most people freak out in the moment and try to run when fighting off a dog seems pretty possible.

Two would be bad if they attack together though.
 
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Retromelon

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I don't hate dogs, but damn these vicious animals. Owners should carry a means to incapacitate their animal at all times to prevent these kinds of situations, especially the more your breed is known for savagery.
 
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Sanjuro

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Two Words said:
If I were being attacked by a vicious dog, I would try to punt it like a football. I have play fought with my dogs before and they get pretty serious, they just don't bite hard. But it never seems hard to keep them off me. I think most people freak out in the moment and try to run when fighting off a dog seems pretty possible.

Two would be bad if they attack together though.
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...yeah, this ain't play fighting.
 
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nib95

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Put those two dogs down, charge the owner for setting her dogs to attack the guy (she deserves jail time) and also ban her from ever owning any other potentially dangerous animal ever again.
 
openrob

openrob

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iAlso, as nas probably been said, but Pits are illigal in the UK.
However, a mix can be considered a pit still. It's about a physical checklist criteria or something.

There are 4 dogs controlled by the Dangerous Dogs Act

Retromelon said:
I don't hate dogs, but damn these vicious animals. Owners should carry a means to incapacitate their animal at all times to prevent these kinds of situations, especially the more your breed is known for savagery.
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I think they were commanded to attack, wasn't an accident. But anyway, a muzzle is a much simpler option
 
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Two Words

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Sanjuro said:
...yeah, this ain't play fighting.
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Like I said, my dogs get serious. They try to pounce on me at full speed and whatnot. The only difference is that if they were to bite me, it would be a softer bite. Dogs don't play fight just to look cute. It essentially acts as practice. Now you would be right to say my actions are more calm and collected during this since I am in no danger. All I'm saying is that I think a person is far better off trying to fight off a dog than to try and run or shield himself.
 
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