Eh, at the same time I've been saying that DR1 and DR2 may not be necessary to comprehend DR V3, one definitely loses a lot of the nuance and significance of the story if they play DR2 without DR1. I could easily see that being the same case for DR3, considering how each of the games in the series thus far have built upon each other.
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Eh, at the same time I've been saying that DR1 and DR2 may not be necessary to comprehend DR V3, one definitely loses a lot of the nuance and significance of the story if they play DR2 without DR1. I could easily see that being the same case for DR3, considering how each of the games in the series thus far have built upon each other.
Hours Left
Member
cosmicblizzard
Banned
There are super important unresolved plot threads. Abandoning those for something new or even giving them some half-assed closure will piss off the many fans the series already has.
And no, Spike is absolutely NOT operating under the assumption that the audience will be largely new. As much as I wish otherwise, Danganronpa is still a pretty niche series. A single game will not suddenly become a million seller in the west and probably a good chunk of those that would even consider buying 3 have already played the first 2 on Vita.
I personally disagree with this. There are maybe some unresolved threads in the spin-off (DR:AE), but DR2 wrapped up pretty neatly, and I really don't see DR3 building off of DR:AE. If anything, I almost see it more like a Persona 4 Arena to Persona 4 Arena Ultimax situation where the situation regarding spin-offs is left to spin-offs, while main game entries are a separate deal.
I could easily see DR3 being an isolated story, with some foundation in previous events, especially if it takes place (series spoilers)
during the rise of the Ultimate Despair but before Future Foundation comes into play, so prior to DR1 or simultaenously with it, somehow.
Basileus777
Member
There really isn't that much unresolved at all, not unless you think not knowing the future of every character is an unresolved thread (it isn't). Both main Danganronpa games have pretty clean endings that could serve as a series finale.
cosmicblizzard
Banned
Well yeah, AE is a vital entry in the series. It has bigger sequel teases than both 1 and 2.
Basileus777
Member
More than 1 and 2 sure, but even then most of the stuff in AE leads into 2. None of it is anything that demands a sequel.
I don't see those being significant to DR3 at all. It makes me think of the years of speculation regarding Persona 5 and how all these characters who starred in the spin-off games would be featured heavily in it because of their perceived significance towards the overall story, when that turned out to not be the case at all.
Everything that happened in DR:AE and is left hanging does not have to be urgently addressed at all. The situation in DR3 could be 100% separate from the events in Towa City.
I think it exactly is in regards to a DR3, but could be addressed in a future spin-off game.
cosmicblizzard
Banned
You can't tell me Monaca's fate is a throwaway plot thread. It's a pretty big deal, and if it ends up not being one or excised entirely, that cheapens the ending quite a bit, particularly Nagito's declaration of making her better than Junko.
Basileus777
Member
That's the only thing that really qualifies, and even then it's not something that demands an entire sequel. You don't really need to see how that turns out, it's fine left open. I actually like it better that way. Honestly I hope they drop it completely because I never want to see
Monaca
I doubt 3 will pull from AE but timeline wise there is a chance it could follow directly on from 2. If that's the case jumping in mid story would be a total disservice to the player.
I kind of hope they do release a 1+2 collection for PS4, if for no other reason that it will introduce a whole new crowd to the brilliance of Danganronpa.
Except for this guy, he doesn't deserve to play Danganronpa with shit posting like this;
Seeing
as the entries after DR1 have brought characters back
Basileus777
Member
Sure, that's exactly what the best game in this series was. But I don't mind some continuity, there just aren't a ton of open threads in this series. They can develop old characters or new ones, that doesn't really matter.
That's a difficult justification to make regardless of how many characters from previous games return. It's been a struggle at times in past games too. Well unless the answer is
Junko is at it again
cosmicblizzard
Banned
Something like the ending of DR1 was fine left open.
Whether Junko was lying or not was a great discussion point, which was of course ruined by the existence of a sequel, but that's fine too.
However, something like
a new threat
Basileus777
Member
I can see where you are coming from here, but I just don't agree with
putting Monaca at that level of importance. She served her role as villain in a spin-off, the implication at the end of AE isn't something that absolutely needs to be addressed. It probably doesn't help that I don't think she was a good villain or an interesting character either. She's far too similar to Junko.
It was better than having Junko, for the third time. I'm fine with ditching Junko and going for someone new, maybe the ultimate mastermind behind everything? I don't want this to be something like Dragonball where every new enemy was stronger and stronger, but I think it's time we faced a bigger threat.
No, it wasn't (I mean, it was but the story goes to huge effort to justify it). There was this whole big mystery as to why there was a killing game and where all the chaos was coming from. If they start another killing game at this point, the question will inevitably be who is behind it and why would they do it and what connection does it have to past events, etc. It's not like a murder which is a fairly open concept, the killing game is a rigid construct that's rooted in
Junko's philosophy
Basileus777
Member
So would any sequel.
I don't really understand your point. This will be true of any sequel. These exact questions are what were asked in both mainline Danganronpa games. These are good things, I probably don't want to know the answer to these at the start of the game.
I don't see anyone calling for a game with no links to past events or there to be no killing game, that's not really what it means to be more standalone or for there to be few open plot threads that need to be addressed.
My point is how do you make the narrative more standalone when it's practically required you acknowledge what came before?
Go ahead. Why has someone put in the effort and significant resources to start a killing game in this universe? Monokuma will be involved too of course, so he needs to be explained.
It's not a procedural concept. It's a severely limiting one that gives thrilling storytelling within very strict constraints. Do you really want to go up to killing game #6 or whatever?
zerokoolpsx
Member
lol, the animations isn't bad. Go Chihiro!
What if the fundamentals of the killing game were changed? What if the participants of it were willing, and the reward of becoming the Blackened was not to escape but something else?
Basileus777
Member
You can acknowledge something without requiring the player to have played through all of the previous games. This is how most games function, even sequels.
When you said 'window' I thought you meant that it had a higher chance of being on PC, not that it would be easier to port to PC. I guess that's just a misunderstanding then.
The very questionable story of teenagers willingly entering a killing game aside, how does that make the story structure any different from DR1 and 2? And how does it fit in this post apocalyptic world and where does Monokuma enter in?
I'm just very surprised that most of GAF seems very happy for Danganronpa to continue ad nauseum. The killing game concept was already stretching in DR2 -
and used virtual reality as a serious cop out
Basileus777
Member
I'm not happy for it to continue on and on without reinvention. I think things are already getting stale and every game so far has been weaker than the last with AE being a significant drop off. But these games are going to continue to be made because they sell, so a reinvention is really the best we can hope for. I'm not sure it will come though.
If they completely scrap Hope's Peak
and Junko
I'm not about to write fanfiction; justifying further stories is the job of the writer. I just presented that possibility for a different type of Killing Game, which would affect how the characters would interact with each other and other aspects of the game.
I'm not too preoccupied with the grander narrative after DR2. I just want more opportunities for cool characters to kill each other in different settings.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Sold my Vita but thankfully this is still released on PS4 so yessh.
DXLelouch153
Banned
maybe they can add like a defense and a prosecuter like in DanganWrestling
only the Defense also gets to leave because Monokuma got bored and mixed it up
only the Defense also gets to leave because Monokuma got bored and mixed it up
zackmorris
Member
It's no different than other games that launched on various other platforms. shenmue 3, MGS 5 etc are story heavy games and the only ones that will be playable on the PS4. Not everyone who will play these games own a dreamcast, PS2 or a PS3 etc.
DXLelouch153
Banned
there are other ways to play Shenmue though
cosmicblizzard
Banned
I don't mean
making her the main villain in 3 or anything like that. I don't want that either since it would be underwhelming. Still, I'd be fine with her being a red herring to an extent, or possibly even an unwilling participant in the killing game. There's a lot of things that can be done with her that would really make dropping the plot point a waste IMO.
So Killer Queen?
Edit: Oh wait, they weren't willing in Killer Queen. What the hell am I thinking of then? I know there's one.
cosmicblizzard
Banned
The last Shenmue game was released a decade and a half ago. At that point, you can put it on any console you want.
And console successors aren't really comparable to same generation systems with wildly different audiences. It's perfectly logical for the sequel of something on PS3 to come to PS4. Vita to PS4, not as much.
A good comparison would be Bayonetta 2. Nintendo likely knew this, which is why they bundled Bayonetta 1 with the game.
Another Episode isn't relevant because it's not a killing game, but
that's an interesting and partially true interpretation of DR2. I do mean from the outset with the full awareness of the characters, however, so it doesn't count.
Yeah. A more standalone story would be cool, but I'm assuming Kodaka probably wants to expand upon what's already there.
I feel like a slightly different killing game (like how Virtue's Last Reward followed up 999) with some different rules would be in the cards, though. (I want to imagine Kodaka and Uchikoshi just want to one-up each other in terms of craziness with their respective games.)
zackmorris
Member
I disagree. Plenty of people own Ps4s that never owned a PS3 or a PSP, it doesn't change the fact that you will be missing out on a large part of a story driven franchise.
zackmorris
Member
How would I legally play Shenmue 1 and 2 right now, without investing in hardware?
DXLelouch153
Banned
zackmorris
Member
But that doesn't mean that they shouldn't make a new Shenmue on PS4 just because I can't play 1+2 on my PS4.
Same thing here. It will still be available on the Vita it will just give another option to play it for those who own a PS4.
poodaddy
Member
cosmicblizzard
Banned
And there were plenty of people that never owned a PS2 that had a PS3, but people still played MGS4 because many people that had a PS3 DID have a PS2 at one point, just like how many people with a PS4 did have a PS3 or a 360. It's not unreasonable to think of the natural generational progression of consoles to have a hand in where sequels get released, story-heavy or not.
But Vita to PS4 isn't natural progression, it's a sidestep. Same company or not, they represent completely different markets in the west, whereas virtually any generation successor represents the same market.
Yep, basically this. All this
outer world, Future Foundation, Junko
Although, I'm a bit interested how they'll handle Remnants of Despair in the future games. Bought AE today, will play a bit later
zackmorris
Member
It's a natural progression because almost no one owns a vita. They have a good franchise on their hands and want to bring it to a viable platform where it has a chance to reach the audience it deserves. I don't see why you would have an issue with it reaching a wider audience. In this day and age it's not difficult to find a way to fill yourself in on the franchise if you want to start playing it, without having to buy a platform that has been pretty much abandoned.
cosmicblizzard
Banned
The way to fill yourself in is to play the games. In the unlikely event that Shenmue 1 and 2 aren't available on any modern platform by the time Shenmue 3 comes out, you spend $10 on a Dreamcast and play the damn games.
Similarly, if the other 3 Danganronpa games don't get ported to PS4, you spend $20 on a PSTV and play the damn games.