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[ErasureAcer]

Quinnipiac University is a top pollster. Quin College is not. QU had Bernie up a few points in Iowa. It was a tie with the caucus system(Bernie very well could have had more voters) and other shenanigans of bad data entry(Grinnell?) as the Des Moines Register has called for a review of the results.

Anyways...Bernie probably did have more support but only split the voter based delegates just as QU predicted. They are a legit pollster and people questioning them on the first page is funny.

There have been numerous polls showing Bernie doing better h2h against Republicans than Hillary for months now.

It looks like he has closed the gap nationally. Time for Bernie fans to get on the bus and back the candidate they like rather than keep spouting the belief Hillary is more electable. Bernie has crossover appeal. Hillary not only doesnt have crossover appeal...she loses a vast majority of the progressive wing of the Democratic party who will abstain or vote Green Party in a general.

 

[-COOLIO-]

Who are these people that find a candidate "unfavorable" yest still say they would vote for them?

the "lesser of two evils" thing.

 

[ChronotriggerJM]

If Bernie can do better than his terrible polling suggests in a minority heavy place like SC that would be a huge boost.

This is really the Crux of it all I think. Bernies ground game is putting in a lot of effort to pull Black voters, but we'll see how it plays out. South Carolina will be very telling.

 

[metalslimer]

Quinnipiac University is a top pollster. Quin College is not. QU had Bernie up a few points in Iowa. It was a tie with the caucus system(Bernie very well could have had more voters) and other shenanigans of bad data entry(Grinnell?) as the Des Moines Register has called for a review of the results.

Anyways...Bernie probably did have more support but only split the voter based delegates just as QU predicted. They are a legit pollster and people questioning them on the first page is funny.

There have been numerous polls showing Bernie doing better h2h against Republicans than Hillary for months now.

It looks like he has closed the gap nationally. Time for Bernie fans to get on the bus and back the candidate they like rather than keep spouting the belief Hillary is more electable. Bernie has crossover appeal. Hillary not only doesnt have crossover appeal...she loses a vast majority of the progressive wing of the Democratic party who will abstain or vote Green Party in a general.

You can't actually believe half the stuff you write

 

[HawksWinStanley]

anyone but Cruz

America will never elect someone who butchers Simpsons impressions that badly.

 

[jellies_two]

Headlines line "Bernie evaporates 30% poll lead by Clinton practically overnight" has to be driving more and more people to be "ok who IS this guy really".Google trends show searches for his name are ahead of everyone now, even higher than trumps brief moment in the sun a month ago from all his crazy talk.

So now people are listening and it's whether his message resonates, and seems to me that's his strongest card.
Hillary doesn't have a clear and interesting message. She is like: I see Obama regularly, I know how things work. Let me work the same levers.
He is: enough! Enough of big pharma, corporate tax dodging and flat wages. And you cannot doubt his sincerity something no other candidate has.

 

[Adam_Roman]

I love how people are dismissing this because "it's an outlier to every other poll" even though one other national poll came out since Iowa. Everyone's expecting big gains for Bernie after Iowa because he showed he's more electable in middle America than previously thought. If anything PPP's a bigger outlier when you compare it to the overall trend of the polls.

I'm not saying it's 100% fact, especially after Quinnipiac put Bernie 3% ahead the day of Iowa, but I think people who are writing this off as the outlier will be in for a ride awakening when more polls come out.

 

[Prodigal Son]

and Clinton was declared the winner. Again nice try though.

Virtually every single news media outlet that references the caucus mentions the 'rasor thin' and 'incredibly close' nature of the numbers. How do you really think that registers with the average viewer?

 

[perfectchaos007]

and Clinton was declared the winner. Again nice try though.

Not until 2pm the next day. Clinton, however, declared herself the winner prematurely the night before in a victory speech. Fits nicely with her inevitable narrative

 

[Cesare Borgia]

Not until 2pm the next day. Clinton, however, declared herself the winner prematurely the night before in a victory speech. Fits nicely with her inevitable narrative

Oh maybe, you know, it was a logical call given the outstanding vote remaining were in favorable areas of Iowa for her.

 

[perfectchaos007]

Oh maybe, you know, it was a logical call given the outstanding vote remaining were in favorable areas of Iowa for her.

Bottom Line is It still could have gone either way when she thanked Iowa for the victory. Sanders still had a reasonable shot at winning, otherwise the AP would have declared her the winner. I'm a neutral party in this argument btw.

 

[B-Dubs]

Virtually every single news media outlet that references the caucus mentions the 'rasor thin' and 'incredibly close' nature of the numbers. How do you really think that registers with the average viewer?

They did the same thing in 2012 when Obama crushed Romney.

 

[Jenov]

It still could have gone either way when she thanked Iowa for the victory

This is petty. She really did win, though narrowly, and had a "sigh of relief" followed by a thank you to Iowa. It wasn't some huge victory speech.

 

[Flo_Evans]

Headlines line "Bernie evaporates 30% poll lead by Clinton practically overnight" has to be driving more and more people to be "ok who IS this guy really".Google trends show searches for his name are ahead of everyone now, even higher than trumps brief moment in the sun a month ago from all his crazy talk.

So now people are listening and it's whether his message resonates, and seems to me that's his strongest card.
Hillary doesn't have a clear and interesting message. She is like: I see Obama regularly, I know how things work. Let me work the same levers.
He is: enough! Enough of big pharma, corporate tax dodging and flat wages. And you cannot doubt his sincerity something no other candidate has.

For all the talk of how Hillary is an amazing politician she really is an awful campaigner.

No clear message, her pitch is basically "I am not gonna rock the boat to hard".

No big rallies, you need to get massive amounts of people motivated to actually vote. I remember going to Obama rallies in '08 it felt like a rock concert. Thousands of people chanting "YES WE CAN" it was awesome. Inspiring.

Clinton seems to be campaigning on the "vote for me or else it will be even worse" which is not a very good sell IMHO. I want to vote FOR someone not against someone.

 

[Dude Abides]

Rallies don't mean shit. Ron Paul had big rallies.

 

[Prodigal Son]

They did the same thing in 2012 when Obama crushed Romney.

Uh huh? That's what the media does. They like generating buzz through that sense of competition during elections. Thing is, there was actually competition in Iowa and there will be in a few other states. People see that. That won't dampen Sanders growing support. It'll help it. May not be enough in the end but it's helping him regardless.

 

[BoboBrazil]

I hope this guy doesn't win the nom. He will get destroyed in the general by republicans through lies and fear.

 

[ChronotriggerJM]

I hope this guy doesn't win the nom. He will get destroyed in the general by republicans through lies and fear.

So will Clinton?

 

[Flo_Evans]

Rallies don't mean shit. Ron Paul had big rallies.

lol ok.

There where like 100,000 people in St. Louis to see Obama. Ron Paul never sniffed those numbers.

 

[Oriel]

Not until 2pm the next day. Clinton, however, declared herself the winner prematurely the night before in a victory speech. Fits nicely with her inevitable narrative

Clinton never declared herself the winner in her speech to supporters on Iowa caucus night. Her team certainly did declare victory though and they were correct, Hillary won. That's just a basic fact. She won and Bernie lost. It shouldn't be such a big deal but apparently Bernie supporters seem determined to argue this point relentlessly.

 

[Tesseract]

bernie gots this, the wave is building

 

[The One and Done™]

If people actually vote in the Primary it won't even be close

 

[perfectchaos007]

Clinton never declared herself the winner in her speech to supporters on Iowa caucus night. Her team certainly did declare victory though and they were correct, Hillary won. That's just a basic fact. She won and Bernie lost. It shouldn't be such a big deal but apparently Bernie supporters seem determined to argue this point relentlessly.

I'm not arguing that Hillary won. She definitely won. Coin flip assists and all. She won Iowa. But her team declared victory too early. Her "sigh of relief" speech was a victory speech, and it was before she should have been able to declare victory.

 

[BoboBrazil]

So will Clinton?

Nope. She's proven time and time again to be an excellent debater who has been able to defend herself from attacks.

 

[Abounder]

I hope this guy doesn't win the nom. He will get destroyed in the general by republicans through lies and fear.

Maybe before Obama was president, republicans have done Bernie a solid by calling Obama and Co. a socialist for the past 8 years

Anyway hopefully we have a real race

 

[ChronotriggerJM]

Nope. She's proven time and time again to be an excellent debater who has been able to defend herself from attacks.

Bernies shown through many years of politics to be quite a bulldog when he needs to be as well. Clinton certainly didn't handle being grilled on money in politics well if that counts for anything.

 

[theignoramus]

Why is everyone shitting on quinnipiac now? They have a b+ on 538 and they were more accurate than most other pollsters on the Iowa caucus.

What's funny is that most of the posts are from known Hillary supporters on this board, who (rightfully) scoff at other people when they dismiss polls that say she's winning.

Bingo.

 

[Enduin]

Nope. She's proven time and time again to be an excellent debater who has been able to defend herself from attacks.

Not for nothing, she's never had to prove so during an election for 8 years now. Last time she was in race she lost, in large part due to Obama's attacks on her positions and character. Hillary is a strong candidate without question, more so now than Bernie, and she definitely has an edge on nearly all the Republican candidates, but she's by no means bullet proof. Just because they haven't been able to disgrace her with the Benghazi and Email stuff doesn't mean that won't have an affect on the GE voter turnout and swing states. They don't have to kill her, just make her bleed enough to get those purple states red.

 

[magnifico]

Maybe before Obama was president, republicans have done Bernie a solid by calling Obama and Co. a socialist for the past 8 years

Anyway hopefully we have a real race

we've reached a point where everyone treats that attack line as a joke. It just doesn't work anymore. They'll attack Clinton as a socialist just as much. Anyone who seriously buys that well never vote Democrat anyway since they already think Obama is a socialist/athiest/muslim.

 

[Storm Raider]

No big rallies, you need to get massive amounts of people motivated to actually vote. I remember going to Hitler rallies in '38 it felt like a rock concert. Thousands of people chanting "SIEG HEIL" it was awesome. Inspiring.

This is horrifying

 

[Prodigal Son]

Stubborn, disenfranchised Berners will also saltily not vote for her in the generals. That's a bigger chunk of millennials than some might realize.

EDIT: Corrected.

 

[ChronotriggerJM]

This is horrifying

It doesn't have to be. The point is enthusiasm. Martin Luther King had big rallies, you're not going to compare him to a Nazi are you?

Stubborn, disenfranchised Berners will also saltily not vote for her in the primaries. That's a bigger chunk of millennials than some might realize.

Well this BS patronizing mentality will surely help them see your point right? Maybe people should spend more time convincing them Hillary is a progressive alternative than calling them babies for starters.

 

[Flo_Evans]

This is horrifying

LOL.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

I love how people are dismissing this because "it's an outlier to every other poll" even though one other national poll came out since Iowa. Everyone's expecting big gains for Bernie after Iowa because he showed he's more electable in middle America than previously thought. If anything PPP's a bigger outlier when you compare it to the overall trend of the polls.

I'm not saying it's 100% fact, especially after Quinnipiac put Bernie 3% ahead the day of Iowa, but I think people who are writing this off as the outlier will be in for a ride awakening when more polls come out.

Well there's also Ipsos and Morning Consult.

 

[And_Gignac]

This is horrifying

Really man? Hitler comparisons? Bye

 

[Neuromancer]

Haha never seen this one before. Sanders can be a funny man sometimes.

 

[nelsonroyale]

Well...it has a sample size of 485. It does show that Bernie has a better favourability in that sample and by extrapolation is doing...well.

 

[AlphaDump]

Maybe before Obama was president, republicans have done Bernie a solid by calling Obama and Co. a socialist for the past 8 years

Anyway hopefully we have a real race

I love the Wu-Tang sticker there. It just highlights how Bernie actually campaigns.

Unless he is a Killa Bee or something.

 

[soul creator]

Clearly, this is a result of The Danny Glover bounce

Though one point of disagreement between them is that Bernie Sanders does not, in fact, believe he is getting too old for this shit.

 

[massoluk]

Quinnipiac is a terrible pollster.

They aren't, they were the most accurate pollster last election. But this season, they are weirdly consistently an extreme outlier.

 

[Damaniel]

I hope this guy doesn't win the nom. He will get destroyed in the general by republicans through lies and fear.

And lack of attainable domestic policy and complete lack of understanding of foreign policy. The GOP won't have to stretch the lies much to instill doubt in voters. (Won't stop them from doing it though.)

 

[Oriel]

I'm not arguing that Hillary won. She definitely won. Coin flip assists and all. She won Iowa. But her team declared victory too early. Her "sigh of relief" speech was a victory speech, and it was before she should have been able to declare victory.

Is it really such an issue?

 

[- J - D -]

Look at this angry old man. Why can't he be more presidential.

 

[EmSeta]

One can dream...

 

[Team Alucard]

and it also seems like the difference in NH has somewhat narrowed after Iowa.

wrong.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Speaking of shitty pollsters. Here comes Rasmussen.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/polls/rasmussen-23686

 

[Orbis Tabula]

The way I see it, ignoring this one piece of data is dumb. It is data and it is good for Sanders. It's just not as important as the rest of the data points combined. The data at large indicates that Clinton still is well in the lead. So you can take solace in this because Bernie as a piece of data in his corner, but you have to keep weighing that against the trend overall, which isn't I his favor.

 

[Flo_Evans]

Stubborn, disenfranchised Berners will also saltily not vote for her in the primaries. That's a bigger chunk of millennials than some might realize.

Uh yeah....?

I take it you mean the general.

 

[John Dunbar]

Speaking of shitty pollsters. Here comes Rasmussen.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/polls/rasmussen-23686

looks like 50/50 to me, with 18% closeted sanders supporters. #daretodream

 

[Prodigal Son]

Uh yeah....?

I take it you mean the general.

Oops

It doesn't have to be. The point is enthusiasm. Martin Luther King had big rallies, you're not going to compare him to a Nazi are you?



Well this BS patronizing mentality will surely help them see your point right? Maybe people should spend more time convincing them Hillary is a progressive alternative than calling them babies for starters.

Why was my post patronizing in your view?