CrimsonFist
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Ace Attorney [Mafia] |OT| Turnabout Scum
- Thread starter Sorian
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CornBurrito
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If we assume this is going to be Defense vs Prosecution, De Killer doesn't really serve as scum.
Why would we assume this though, not all of the prosecutors are straight up evil.
CrimsonFist
Member
If we're going to speculate about fluff: I would assume that scum will be the various killers, infact, I'm sure Sorian said as much in the recruitment thread.
CornBurrito
Member
I said if we assume.
I'm not going to make any bold speculations about the overall setup until after we see some flips.
The only things I am somewhat confident about are the things I've brought up in my prior speculation posts.
I know he said he wouldn't be around too much but I'm still waiting for something of an answer to this post.
Since I did say something about spoilers before and as to not give anyone an advantage by just remembering my past posts. Here is the post from the recruitment thread:
**Disclaimer**
I don't think I've posted this in this thread and it's just something I've said here and there. My game does have Phoenix Wright spoilers. I won't be talking about any exact case details but the bad people in my game are villians from the series and knowing that someone is a villain is usually a spoiler in it's own right, just something to keep in mind.
Something I haven't said is that the timeline of my flavor is going to make no sense so might as well accept that now. If it was more convenient for a character to be dead then they are dead for my purposes, if it was more convenient for them to be alive then they are alive for my purposes. I built a game first and then came up with flavor that allowed it all to make sense so I took some liberties.
I think it's far more likely that the killers from cases are the scum than prosecutors
I'm not sure if that means shelly would be scum or neutral if he existed though. Sure he was a killer, but he's also this sort of mercenary character that never really faces justice.
CornBurrito
Member
Ah. With this, I have a better idea of who scum might be.
And I think we may have a Doppleganger or some copycat type role.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
This is true. We can't simply say Defense vs Prosecutor because not all of the Prosecutors were "scum". I'd say people like, Matt Engarde or Shelly De Killer would be scum. Franziska isn't evil and neither is Edgeworth which leads me to believe that one or two of them could be neutral.
CrimsonFist
Member
Interesting jump to make. Why do you think we might have that as a role?
CrimsonFist
Member
Most prosecutors in the series are good guys interested in finding the truth. I would generally assume them to be town.
If you're thinking of what I think you're thinking of I think you might be wrong in what you're thinking.
...I think.
CrimsonFist
Member
Oh right, isn't this game only supposed to go up to Apollo Justice though?
If that? All I know is Sorian said he was sticking to the older games in reference to blackquill which would suggest certain other characters might not be showing up either?
Barrylocke
Member
I suppose, but as Crimson said, votes are good for discussion and don't mean death so early. Also I still wondered why it was specifically Zubz you questioned when there were at least 2 other votes based on nothing/bullshit.
That's correct, Sorian specifically said no Blackquill for instance because of it going up to AJ
oh hey there it is.
I guess I just sort of got into the habit of only reading 1/10th of the things you say sorian, I wonder why that is?
In this game Town needs to eliminate neutrals to win. So don't think of neutral as "not good or evil," think of neutral as "evil but with its own agenda." The Mafia is a team of baddies working together to kill Town, any neutrals are individuals (or possibly small teams, eg a tanner family) with agendas that aren't in line with the Mafia but also not in line with Town.
Barring silly shenanigans (eg "When all Mafia are eliminated you win and leave the game" neutrals), expect neutral characters to be morally evil, since Town wants to kill them. de Killer would make total sense as a neutral: he has his own agenda (eg a list of targets to assassinate), but doesn't give a damn about the Mafia's goals (kill every Townie).
CornBurrito
Member
Dual Destinies.
CornBurrito
Member
Oh whoops.
Q. Has a neutral-scum mason pair ever been done?
I agree with this sentiment. Neutral should not be spared by town, I think. In most cases. There are rare exceptions, for example if it is clear that they have better reason to support town over scum and we can verify their impact.
Xamtheking
Member
CrimsonFist, I've been busy with travel prep, can provide my "valuable" insights in 2 hours or so
I think it heavily depends on the Neutral, his power and his win condition. If he is very close to his win condition and will soon leave the game on his own for example, we could just let him win instead of wasting a lynch on them. The annoying thing of lynching neutrals is that it will give us 0 information to help with scum hunting that day, since scum will probably be just as willingly to lynch them as us. But this will really be a discussion we can only have when we have some concrete information about a neutral to talk about.
Xamtheking
Member
The plane had wifi, actually.
On StarSketch:
Probably just a Townie mistake. If she was scum, she probably wouldn't have stumbled as she did if scum was backing her up. Not an entirely a clean bill of help, but something to mull over.
On TWE:
I don't really have any thoughts on him right now. He hasn't done that much to me.
On QB:
All sorts of alarm bells here. I can see that being a #scumgambit or even a Tanner ploy.
Bonus Round: StanleyPalmtree
That is shadier than my own shadow
I assumed there was no Tanner, since Town (and presumably Mafia as well) needs to kill all neutrals. Seems like a Tanner would be guaranteed to win, no? Unless they've got a limited time to die or something.
CrimsonFist
Member
In regular mafia, tanner would be an incredibly easy role to win as. It's really not hard to get town to lynch you if you try. Probably why it rarely comes up as a role, and why I'm not expecting one in this game.
Xamtheking
Member
Xamtheking
Member
VOTE: QuantumBro
He can do it from beyond the grave!
Also, being unable to edit. I didn't miss that. Anyway, substantial post to come!
Xamtheking
Member
Dr. Eggman, what are you planning?
Hey, if I knew GIMP better, it'd be Nick from that KC Green comic. But I don't. So I'm working on an appropriate avatar.
EzekelRAGE
Member
Hello, all, for some reason I thought this began on the 15th.
EzekelRAGE
Member
I'll start catchin up on what was posted so far.
Also, I wont be as active as in past seasons.
Also, I wont be as active as in past seasons.
Xamtheking
Member
Also, just to reiterate, tomorrow until 4pm cst or so I can't really be here consistently
CornBurrito
Member
Vote: Barrylocke
StarSketch
Banned
? What for?
Any particular reason for that vote, CornBurrito?
I don't have too much to look into, but I'd like to know if there's any reason Crimson's still voting for me. I know that it was initially to put "pressure" on me because it was cast before I posted, but I've checked in since then. If the goal was to get me to post, then it's already been met.
Plus, again, those votes were cast pretty early on; Crimson even stated he wanted to put pressure on Xam 9 minutes into the game before switching to me.
I don't have too much to look into, but I'd like to know if there's any reason Crimson's still voting for me. I know that it was initially to put "pressure" on me because it was cast before I posted, but I've checked in since then. If the goal was to get me to post, then it's already been met.
Plus, again, those votes were cast pretty early on; Crimson even stated he wanted to put pressure on Xam 9 minutes into the game before switching to me.
CornBurrito
Member
To see who would respond to it.
EzekelRAGE
Member
Read over the thread, don't really see much in terms of scum reads or anything. Nice to see we have a confirmed town. Seems we need a day one lynch.
Vote: StanleyPalmtree
Just added up the numbers for the date and chose the person in that spot.
Vote: StanleyPalmtree
Just added up the numbers for the date and chose the person in that spot.
To see who would respond to it.
and what does that tell you?
CornBurrito
Member
I know StarSketch seemed fairly concerned/perplexed by the vote. Granted, a town player could have as well. But should either Barry or Star turn out to be scum I know where I'd turn my sights next.
StarSketch
Banned
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand here we go again.
You put up that vote with out any reasoning at all. Of course I'm concerned. Random votes generally don't make any sense to me.
StarSketch
Banned
The only other person to vote for Barry was RNH, and RNH was joking.
CornBurrito
Member
And this random votes was fine with you?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=195143108&postcount=172