Matt Attack
Member
If you stopped a night kill, theres a decent chance that that player is scum. Otherwise why would Xam still be alive? I would have thought he'd be scum's top priority target.
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Ace Attorney [Mafia] |OT| Turnabout Scum
- Thread starter Sorian
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If you stopped a night kill, theres a decent chance that that player is scum. Otherwise why would Xam still be alive? I would have thought he'd be scum's top priority target.
StarSketch
Banned
our vig? we had a vig who died a long time ago. what are you even talking about.
The neutral vig, I meant. Or whoever is responsible for the second night kills.
If you stopped a night kill, theres a decent chance that that player is scum. Otherwise why would Xam still be alive? I would have thought he'd be scum's top priority target.
It's also possible that the person I blocked was a kill target. Of course, this means that they skipped over Xam (again), cause I didn't (and can't) block him.
StarSketch
Banned
Block/protect him, I mean. Ech.
Matt Attack
Member
The neutral vig, I meant. Or whoever is responsible for the second night kills.
It's also possible that the person I blocked was a kill target. Of course, this means that they skipped over Xam (again), cause I didn't (and can't) block him.
Very true, I was so focused on the block I forgot you could protect!
StarSketch
Banned
neutral vig? I think you mean "Serial Killer"
...yes.
flatearthpandas
Member
Please, no one vote until we hear from TheGoddamn about Zeke's target.
One NK is a change of pace, might have an easy day today. Although, this occurred to me right after the last day ended, CB also had a one shot role block to pass out so we still need to be careful. If we had considered it yesterday I think we could have had a pretty solid night plan put together but so it goes.
One NK is a change of pace, might have an easy day today. Although, this occurred to me right after the last day ended, CB also had a one shot role block to pass out so we still need to be careful. If we had considered it yesterday I think we could have had a pretty solid night plan put together but so it goes.
flatearthpandas
Member
Holy shit, I'm glad CB was NK'd. I would have been quite keen on seeing him lynched when we learned his items were all useless, like I had already accused him of.
Xamtheking
Member
THEGODDAMN IS NOT TOWN
Vote: TheGoddamn
Vote: TheGoddamn
flatearthpandas
Member
Are you fucking kidding. Don't vote yet.
Matt Attack
Member
THEGODDAMN IS NOT TOWN
Vote: TheGoddamn
Oh snap.
Star, when do you think you'll be comfortable revealing who you jailed? Whether they're a killer or a kill target, I'd like to think about what their identity could mean.
flatearthpandas
Member
Oh wait. I just woke up, sorry. But still. Mah stupid plan...
Xamtheking
Member
I checked TG and got a red check. He's a scum watcher/tracker, methinks.
Matt Attack
Member
I checked TG and got a red check. He's a scum watcher/tracker, methinks.
I wonder if his role lets him learn the names of actions. If both he and Zubz were to flip scum, it could explain how Zubz knew of my night action.
Xamtheking
Member
Fair pointI wonder if his role lets him learn the names of actions. If both he and Zubz were to flip scum, it could explain how Zubz knew of my night action.
Also, my theory on the only 1 NK thing: I think one of our killing parties might have popped Scrafty's 1-shot bulletptoof
Xamtheking
Member
Also, everyone please vote TG so we can wrap this day phase up with another scum dead. I am tired of deflecting bullshit, so be warned.
flatearthpandas
Member
Fair point
Also, my theory on the only 1 NK thing: I think one of our killing parties might have popped Scrafty's 1-shot bulletptoof
Read CBs role again. All of his items were useless.
Xamtheking
Member
Then they hit whoever Star jailedRead CBs role again. All of his items were useless.
flatearthpandas
Member
Then they hit whoever Star jailed
Or star jailed one of the kill commands.
Xamtheking
Member
Also, why haven't you voted for TheGoddamn yet?Read CBs role again. All of his items were useless.
Are you not town or something?
Do you straight up not trust me?
Are you a little bitch who's afraid of commitment?
Joking
Xamtheking
Member
Sorian, I would like a vote count, please.
(No, I'm not stupid, I will use that as a springboard.)
(No, I'm not stupid, I will use that as a springboard.)
flatearthpandas
Member
I am curious to hear Star's target before votes go flying.
I am town as fuck.
I trust you 100% now.
Don't bring up bad memories, it's too early to start drinking.
I am town as fuck.
I trust you 100% now.
Don't bring up bad memories, it's too early to start drinking.
flatearthpandas
Member
Also want to see Zeke's daily post spread go up.
Xamtheking
Member
I am curious to hear Star's target before votes go flying.
I am town as fuck.
I trust you 100% now.
Don't bring up bad memories, it's too early to start drinking.
The minuteAlso want to see Zeke's daily post spread go up.
Nay, the second
NAY, THE MILLISECOND those two things happen I expect your vote to be on TG
TheGoddamn
Member
Please, no one vote until we hear from TheGoddamn about Zeke's target.
One NK is a change of pace, might have an easy day today. Although, this occurred to me right after the last day ended, CB also had a one shot role block to pass out so we still need to be careful. If we had considered it yesterday I think we could have had a pretty solid night plan put together but so it goes.
CB's items had no powers (which you already acknowledged in a subsequent post).
That flavor text hit me right there, and written from Missile's point of view, too. RIP CB Gumshoe. Only one kill last night might mean that the serial killer has run out of juice, although they would be removed from the game if that was the case, and if that was their win condition.
Interestingly, my tracking Zeke failed last night. In the context of my powers, given Star's power (that is, if she targeted me), that tells town that, even if I am a watcher/tracker I'm 1) lying about being a watcher/tracker, or 2) that I'm scum. These possibilities hold even if Star confirms that she jailed me last night.
With my night action failing on N4, it's impossible to independently verify my powers. And even if there were, that doesn't prove that I'm town. That I could very well be a scum tracker/watcher is a good argument, which is further supported by Xam's check on me. The only explanation that seems possible (apart from my being scum) is a non-town switcher, given that I was second on the chopping block yesterday and my purported power.
On my power and balance, I was initially surprised when RNH flipped, but I figured that it was balanced out by both of our roles being a choice; a watch may not happen on any given night at all, even if we were both still alive. RNH also needed to use each of his powers before he could repeat one. RNH was a watcher only once every three days at the most frequent, and I'm a tracker half the time. This reasoning was further supported by Salva's flip, which is quite powerful (although seemingly balanced by Matt Attack).
If Xam checked me and Star jailed me, then that means that Star's powers only block killing actions, which corroborates Scrafty's getting a burger despite Star jailing her. After my reveal yesterday I may have also been the other NK target, but I (may have been/was) jailed by Star. I'm good with being put down today to get to the bottom of this should we not need a watcher/tracker moving forward.
I can join my best friend, wherever he is
flatearthpandas
Member
The minute
Nay, the second
NAY, THE MILLISECOND those two things happen I expect your vote to be on TG
I was the first person to cry foul and throw a vote at him yesterday, just thought Stanley was a safer bet and don't really regret it. I had half convinced myself there might be no cop in the game so without that flip I wouldn't have felt very good about any red checks there may have been today.
StarSketch
Banned
Yeah, I targeted Goddamn, which in retrospect was a really dumb move. I was expecting his role to be false, and for him to try to fake a tracking action. But now I'm coming up with the various things this could mean now, instead of before I made the action. -sigh-
Analysis post in coming, I'm on mobile and I need to read the rest of TG's post.
Analysis post in coming, I'm on mobile and I need to read the rest of TG's post.
Xamtheking
Member
I was the first person to cry foul and throw a vote at him yesterday, just thought Stanley was a safer bet and don't really regret it. I had half convinced myself there might be no cop in the game so without that flip I wouldn't have felt very good about any red checks there may have been today.
FEP, vote TG immediately, please. Star jailed Goddamn and we only had 1 night kill. That means 100% Goddamn MUST be part of the killing team, either Scum or a Neutral, which collaborates my RED GODDAMN CHECK on the son-of-a-bitch, which leads to TheGoddamn being the best lynch target we have today by around 10000000 orders of magnitude.Yeah, I targeted Goddamn, which in retrospect was a really dumb move. I was expecting his role to be false, and for him to try to fake a tracking action. But now I'm coming up with the various things this could mean now, instead of before I made the action. -sigh-
Analysis post in coming, I'm on mobile and I need to read the rest of TG's post.
StarSketch, I also expect you to vote for TheGoddamn, but I'll let you read first. I don't want you to get too tired, after all.
StarSketch
Banned
Alright.
Possible cases here:
TG Definitely has some sort of ability that can be affected by me jailing him, because I was being vague about who I jailed on purpose- I was hoping he would attempt to make a follow claim that didn't exist.
Possible cases here:
- TG has tracker ability, and can either be scum or town
- TG does not have tracker ability, but is the SK, and therefore knows he got blocked last night because his kill action failed.
- TG has nothing, and we're both scum (not true but I'm sure someone is thinking it)
TG Definitely has some sort of ability that can be affected by me jailing him, because I was being vague about who I jailed on purpose- I was hoping he would attempt to make a follow claim that didn't exist.
StarSketch
Banned
Oh, right. There's also the possibility he was our kill target and I inadvertently saved him.
Xamtheking
Member
He's scumAlright.
Possible cases here:
- TG has tracker ability, and can either be scum or town
- TG does not have tracker ability, but is the SK, and therefore knows he got blocked last night because his kill action failed.
- TG has nothing, and we're both scum (not true but I'm sure someone is thinking it)
TG Definitely has some sort of ability that can be affected by me jailing him, because I was being vague about who I jailed on purpose- I was hoping he would attempt to make a follow claim that didn't exist.
Please vote for him if you trust me
There is no reason not to
Also, you guys might have noticed I have reversed stances on making people vote the way I do.
That was before YOU FUCKS KILLED MY SISTER.
EMA, YOUR DEATH WILL NOT BE IN VAIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNN
StarSketch
Banned
*the kill target
I need to slow my roll I swear
I need to slow my roll I swear
Matt Attack
Member
Yeah, I targeted Goddamn, which in retrospect was a really dumb move. I was expecting his role to be false, and for him to try to fake a tracking action. But now I'm coming up with the various things this could mean now, instead of before I made the action. -sigh-
Analysis post in coming, I'm on mobile and I need to read the rest of TG's post.
The simple solution here is that you stopped his scum kill. I'd say it was a pretty good choice on your part if he flips scum. From my perspective, there is a huge issues with what happened last night if TGD is town: we had only one night kill, which wasn't Xam. In this scenario, TGD was targeted, which makes no sense for scum to do (same with if they targeted CB.) Xam is a clear and present threat to scum who cannot be protected. It's baffling that he's still alive. TGD's role claim was already under some level of suspicion, so scum had even less reason to get him out of the way versus a confirmed townie like Scrafty.
These issues disappear if TGD targeted Xam to kill and was role blocked.
VOTE: TheGoddamn
Xamtheking
Member
YouThe simple solution here is that you stopped his scum kill. I'd say it was a pretty good choice on your part if he flips scum. From my perspective, there is a huge issues with what happened last night if TGD is town: we had only one night kill, which wasn't Xam. In this scenario, TGD was targeted, which makes no sense for scum to do (same with if they targeted CB.) Xam is a clear and present threat to scum who cannot be protected. It's baffling that he's still alive. TGD's role claim was already under some level of suspicion, so scum had even less reason to get him out of the way versus a confirmed townie like Scrafty.
These issues disappear if TGD targeted Xam to kill and was role blocked.
VOTE: TheGoddamn
I like you a lot
I like your hyperlinks
And your avatar
And your role
Plz ship sorian and cabot for me kthxbai
StarSketch
Banned
Alright, this makes 3:
Vote: The Goddamn
That said, I'm pretty sure turboing this feels like a bad move, red check aside.
Vote: The Goddamn
That said, I'm pretty sure turboing this feels like a bad move, red check aside.
Xamtheking
Member
Turboing is bad if you don't have enough informationAlright, this makes 3:
Vote: The Goddamn
That said, I'm pretty sure turboing this feels like a bad move, red check aside.
I have a shitload of evidence against TG now
Matt Attack
Member
Alright, this makes 3:
Vote: The Goddamn
That said, I'm pretty sure turboing this feels like a bad move, red check aside.
Only 6 votes to hammer, let's avoid that. Everybody should have a chance to check in. I will unvote if it gets too close before that.
Xamtheking
Member
sometimes hammers are okOnly 6 votes to hammer, let's avoid that. Everybody should have a chance to check in. I will unvote if it gets too close before that.
EzekelRAGE
Member
Don't think we should turbo this, should discuss things. Still two more scum we need to get. Maybe 1 more if Zubz flips scum.
Xamtheking
Member
Discussion is for weak townies and scumDon't think we should turbo this, should discuss things. Still two more scum we need to get. Maybe 1 more if Zubz flips scum.
EzekelRAGE
Member
I can see a scenario where
Mafia TG carries out the hit, leaving his lonesome buddy. Makes sense, since the thought was that he wouldn't be blocked to allow TG to test his ability.
NK takes out CB.
Mafia TG carries out the hit, leaving his lonesome buddy. Makes sense, since the thought was that he wouldn't be blocked to allow TG to test his ability.
NK takes out CB.
Xamtheking
Member
I agree with that sentimentI can see a scenario where
Mafia TG carries out the hit, leaving his lonesome buddy. Makes sense, since the thought was that he wouldn't be blocked to allow TG to test his ability.
NK takes out CB.
EzekelRAGE
Member
Turboing is bad if you don't have enough information
I have a shitload of evidence against TG now
Discussion is for weak townies and scum
Calm down man, Day just started, we know we have a confirmed red. We should take the time to discuss things. The day will still likely end early anyway. Should look at past interactions of TG and others.
Xamtheking
Member
Fiiiiiiiiiiiine.Calm down man, Day just started, we know we have a confirmed red. We should take the time to discuss things. The day will still likely end early anyway. Should look at past interactions of TG and others.
Matt Attack
Member
Anything you want to talk about in particular MattAttack?
Not in particular, no. At this point I'm pretty eager to see TGD's flip so I can find out if it has anything to do with my suspicions against Zubz. Doesn't mean somebody else might not have anything to add though.
I can see a scenario where
Mafia TG carries out the hit, leaving his lonesome buddy. Makes sense, since the thought was that he wouldn't be blocked to allow TG to test his ability.
NK takes out CB.
In this scenario though, what would TGD have to say when asked about the ability test? If he carried out the hit, he shouldn't have the correct answer. Unless it's his teammate and not him with a watcher/tracker/etc ability.
Xamtheking
Member
Spoilers for Ghost Trick below:
TG, I hope you're seeing the light at the end up the tunnel, because
TG, I hope you're seeing the light at the end up the tunnel, because
I'm going to turn you into a motherfucking lamp
EzekelRAGE
Member
Not in particular, no. At this point I'm pretty eager to see TGD's flip so I can find out if it has anything to do with my suspicions against Zubz. Doesn't mean somebody else might not have anything to add though.
In this scenario though, what would TGD have to say when asked about the ability test? If he carried out the hit, he shouldn't have the correct answer. Unless it's his teammate and not him with a watcher/tracker/etc ability.
In mafia games, I always assumed mafia with other abilities get to perform those on top of the possibilty of carrying out the mafia kill.
So TG would send an action to sorian for watch/track and then an action for kill.
Matt Attack
Member
In mafia games, I always assumed mafia with other abilities get to perform those on top of the possibilty of carrying out the mafia kill.
So TG would send an action to sorian for watch/track and then an action for kill.
Oh, looking at Salva's PM, you're right. In that case your scenario sounds pretty reasonable.