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ExitPoll: 21% of Bernie supporters did not vote for Wisc. Dem Supreme Court Candidate
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Please tell me this is a joke. Please, Lord. I'm begging here.
Look at literally any of Scalia's rulings and you will know this could not be further from our political reality, sadly
(and frankly, we should probably just hold our elected officials to higher moral standards even if we don't hold them to any particular legislative ones)
That sure seems like an interesting way to start a political "revolution".
Well. I'm glad more of the Hillary voters seem to have figured out who to vote for.
Helps that a lot of Hilary Voters are life long democrats which means they are involved in some capacity with the local party and its politics or know someone who is. But you know how this could have been fixed, that the person with 20k+ people at rallies might put a simple word in for local candidates of choice. You don't even need to feel dirty about endorsing the person Bernie because technically this position is not partisan, so the person you endorse can't be a democrat! Still not 100% certain the results would have been different should the percentage be closer across the board, there were a ton of Republican voters out in the primary that night too, but its worrying none the less.
Wat
I didn't say anything inaccurate.
Mostly this is just a function of voter age demographics. The young voters for both candidates did not vote in the court election. Bernie has more young voters, therefore his total percentage of non-voters will be higher.
Arthr2ShdsJcksn
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I voted yesterday for Bernie and Kloppenberg. I also voted for James Wood for school board, and I know nothing about him other than his name, and it made me think of James Woods in Family Guy, and I laughed, so maybe I'm dumb too.
eBay Huckster
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I mean, Sanders also had something like 90% of that "young vote", so that 8% is a hell of a lot more meaningful than Clinton's 10%
The Bradley numbers could be attributable to sampling error considering we're probably talking about, like, 30 people.
Gentleman Jack
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The fuck is going on with Hillary's younger voters too, by the way?
dave is ok
aztek is ok
He still said he supported her. I don't understand how this reflects badly on Bernie, she still would have lost anyway
So Wisconsin still has a fucked up SC because some young voters don't realize that there are other candidates who are potentially more important that the president?
I am SHOCKED. SHOCKED!
Kind of goes to show that some of these people who are getting into politics are not really getting into politics and instead throwing their support behind something that they feel is anti-establishment.
I am SHOCKED. SHOCKED!
Kind of goes to show that some of these people who are getting into politics are not really getting into politics and instead throwing their support behind something that they feel is anti-establishment.
I was going to make a joke similar to this, but you did it better.
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
It doesn't reflect badly on Bernie. It reflects badly on his low information supporters.
Box of Kittens
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I've posted variations on this elsewhere, but it really bears repeating.
This choice was as clear cut as it can get. Rebecca Bradley was appointed to fill a vacancy on the court by Scott Walker. The OP has already covered her history of truly vile statements. She had the backing of Wisconsin Manufacturers and Commerce (WMC), a lobbying group that has essentially bought and paid for a conservative majority on the Wisconsin Supreme Court. She listed Alito, Scalia, and Thomas as matching her judicial views. Bernie Sanders himself endorsed Kloppenburg. Quite literally one of the candidates was a right-wing ideologue who exemplifies the problem of money in politics and the other was backed by Bernie himself.
And still over 11% of his supporters didn't even bother to vote in the race. It was too much trouble to literally fill out another race on the same ballot. State Supreme Court races are incredibly important. State legislatures and governors wield enormous power in our lives. The president cannot sign any legislation that hasn't passed through Congress first. A political revolution cannot be solely focused on the presidency.
I do not mean this as an indictment of Sanders supporters in general. I know that many of you do understand all this and make sure to vote in every election and fill out the entire ballot every time. What frustrates me is the general attitude on the left, which certainly did not begin with Bernie, that change comes from the top down and that if we get the right person into the Oval Office then we can get everything we want. Meanwhile we wonder why all the Republicans in Congress are sitting in safe seats and why voter ID laws get ever more draconian while DMV locations in minority neighborhoods are shut down or have their hours drastically cut and why cities have fewer and fewer polling places, etc. It's because the right understands the importance of winning elections at all levels and we don't. Until that changes, don't talk to me about a political revolution.
This choice was as clear cut as it can get. Rebecca Bradley was appointed to fill a vacancy on the court by Scott Walker. The OP has already covered her history of truly vile statements. She had the backing of Wisconsin Manufacturers and Commerce (WMC), a lobbying group that has essentially bought and paid for a conservative majority on the Wisconsin Supreme Court. She listed Alito, Scalia, and Thomas as matching her judicial views. Bernie Sanders himself endorsed Kloppenburg. Quite literally one of the candidates was a right-wing ideologue who exemplifies the problem of money in politics and the other was backed by Bernie himself.
And still over 11% of his supporters didn't even bother to vote in the race. It was too much trouble to literally fill out another race on the same ballot. State Supreme Court races are incredibly important. State legislatures and governors wield enormous power in our lives. The president cannot sign any legislation that hasn't passed through Congress first. A political revolution cannot be solely focused on the presidency.
I do not mean this as an indictment of Sanders supporters in general. I know that many of you do understand all this and make sure to vote in every election and fill out the entire ballot every time. What frustrates me is the general attitude on the left, which certainly did not begin with Bernie, that change comes from the top down and that if we get the right person into the Oval Office then we can get everything we want. Meanwhile we wonder why all the Republicans in Congress are sitting in safe seats and why voter ID laws get ever more draconian while DMV locations in minority neighborhoods are shut down or have their hours drastically cut and why cities have fewer and fewer polling places, etc. It's because the right understands the importance of winning elections at all levels and we don't. Until that changes, don't talk to me about a political revolution.
QuiteWhittle
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I would assume Sanders cares about electing left-leaning judges but after reading your post, I guess not. None of this matters after he becomes king, right?
Though I don't think this is a problem with Sanders or Sanders supporters in general, just youth. I wish youth were more concerned about down ballot races.
God, you got me laughing my ass off with this one.
It's just young voters in general thinking the presidency is the end-all be-all.
It really is getting a lot of use today, twice in one thread.
thehypocrite
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Maybe the democratic party should do what's supposed to do and have a dialog and pledge that would be conducive to better results for the party.
BinaryPork2737
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Honestly, I find it more worrying that 11.53% of Sanders' Wisconsin supporters, and 4.06% of Clinton's, didn't cast a ballot at all for the position. There's also the data point that shows millennials (18-34 in this case) being more conservative than most of the older generations.
He also donated to Sanders' campaign.
You're a mess. Sad.
State SCOTUS seats do not list party affiliation. This was basically a litmus test on how well Sanders supporters understand voting for a progressive versus someone who openly spouts hate speech.
Roughly 1/5th of them failed.
Black Mamba
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But these Bernie supporters will totally turn out to protest in DC when President Sanders demands it.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
Yeah but only 250. She likes Clinton 350 more dollars than him. That's a whole PS4
Karsticles
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That's how I interpret this.
Fenderputty
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MILLIONS OF YOUNG PEOPLE!!!
Losing progressive allies due to poor down ticket voting is never "a good thing".
It's a problem with Bernie and Youth voters that's need to be addressed if we want better progressive government.
Another example; if the youth turned out in the midterms like they did the general for Obama, Congress would look quite different.
Ron Johnson will not win, he's up with the presidential election. Turnout for presidential elections in WI have been 70%+.
He won in 2010 with 50% turnout.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Would be nice if Sanders did a bit of fundraising for Kloppenburg. Would also get the message out about who to vote for.
"We'll see" is now "too late".
Then what are they for? Rebecca Bradley is for everything Sanders is not!
ppl on the left constantly laugh at jon stewart *owning* those stupid republicans and tea partiers who don't believe in climate change, think low tax = infinite revenue, and more guns = more public safety on tv
but the "stupid republicans" are way more clued in on how to use the political process to effect meaningful political change and advance their wider political movement. average ted cruz supporter knows what's up.
but the "stupid republicans" are way more clued in on how to use the political process to effect meaningful political change and advance their wider political movement. average ted cruz supporter knows what's up.
Skiptastic
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Not surprised that so many Bernie supporters aren't aligned with down ticket liberal/Democratic causes.
Very surprised that something like this is decided in a primary election and not in November. What gives?
Very surprised that something like this is decided in a primary election and not in November. What gives?
Gentleman Jack
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So neither candidate is capable of bringing up that youth vote to think of the election beyond a superficial tribal association to a single focal point?
No, the hate I have for Rebecca Bradley and the people that allowed her to get reelected get under my skin.
That also goes for the young voters who voted for both candidates.
OP is surely level-headed and created this thread in the spirit of discussion...
oh wait, no, this is just Thread #019850198 this afternoon of BREAKING BERNIE NEWS.
Nevermind that Bernie attracts independent and conservative voters in addition to democratic voters, so naturally they aren't all going to vote D across the entire ballot.
I guess this is to be expected after a string of wins, you've gotta try to demonize him or the supporters somehow.
oh wait, no, this is just Thread #019850198 this afternoon of BREAKING BERNIE NEWS.
Nevermind that Bernie attracts independent and conservative voters in addition to democratic voters, so naturally they aren't all going to vote D across the entire ballot.
I guess this is to be expected after a string of wins, you've gotta try to demonize him or the supporters somehow.
BinaryPork2737
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It's not at all surprising. We've seen that plenty of people are uninformed voters prior to this incident, and I don't see that changing any time soon.
Well, I'm assuming that quite a few of those aren't traditional Democratic voters, but sure, take issue. Bernie's got a lot more first time voters, and first time voters tend to be squirrely and irresponsible in regards to the party. He's also drawn a considerable number of disaffected young white men, who'd probably otherwise be supporting Trump.
Sanders doesn't like big money donations though. It would be immoral to buy his support like that.
So Bernie's audience is so broad it even incorporates those who like having bigots setting legal precedent in their state. That's a good look.
You don't understand what I'm about, do you?
I'm passionately, passionately about electing downticket progressives. I don't really care about presidential politics as much as I care about electing someone who can do the most to get the most progressives and left-leaning people elected to voting bodies.
The first quote was in regards to THE SAME DATA IN THE OP
The second quote was in regards to BERNIE SANDERS SAYING "WE'LL SEE" WHEN TALKING ABOUT DOWNTICKET DEMS
So in those instances, yes, fuck Bernie Sanders and his supporters when it comes to downticket races LIKE THE ONE IN THE OP. Fuck every left-leaning person who didn't vote for Kloppenburg.
superdeluxe
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When you can't even be arsed to vote for other positions when are you at the Polling Booth, this bodes REALLY well for the mid-terms.
The Youthful revolution.
The Youthful revolution.
thehypocrite
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No? Make it part of the requirements of running as a democrat to inform their voters of the ancillary races & why they are important, not an optional, but a required thing.
StopMakingSense
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A primary election is ... just an election! Not all elections are in November! Lots of stuff can be decided in non-November elections! This is not new news!
In general yes, but if you look at the numbers more of Hillary's voters, both young and old, actually gave a shit about downticket races. Part of that is because she campaigned for Kloppenburg and Bernie didn't.
Surely you mean the one fifth of his supporters that didn't vote or voted for the wrong candidate, rather than all of his supporters.
This is the type of thing that pisses me off. We are trying to elect PROGRESSIVES!!!!!! My God! This is not difficult people.
AlimNassor
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I'm sorry the future of my country is more important then your feels. Bernie Sanders has displayed an appalling lack of judgment and his pie in the sky ideals would hurt us more then a conservative president. Nobodys denying Berniie is a good guy and probably legit but, this is reality and good guys don't make change. Hillary won't change America but, she'll pave the way for future Presidents to do so. Change comes incrementally not ina fucking revolution like Sanders thinks.
Thanks.
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