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[shinra-bansho]

I don't think most anyone here seens to know what a "socialist policy" is.

This opens the question what is the point of our representatives, to make good choices or follow what their voters want (right now they don't really do either for the most part, democrats are better than republicans).

I don't think anyone had a chance against clinton and sanders got a lot more support than he thought and he wants to keep his message going for better or for worse.

It's both? Because people on the whole are dumb. #technocrat

 

[gutter_trash]

Tabris, I didn't know that you were a protectionist

Our Great and Honorable Prime Ministerial is against protectionism:

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada...talk-just-campaign-rhetoric-trudeau-says.html

 

[Prodigal Son]

Gillibrand, Schumer, anyone from a state that has african-americans. Part of the reason he hasn't done well is that he had to be forced into speaking about their issues, a senator from a state with a large african-american population wouldn't make that mistake.

You mean senators from states with massively larger African American populations than Bernie's state?

Awesome, fair comparison, dude.

This line of reasoning is why nobody cares that he marched with King, or got arrested. Because right after that he went to and stayed in his cozy space of Vermont.

So living in Vermont is a fault now? Jesus Christ.

 

[ugaboga232]

It's both? Because people on the whole are dumb. #technocrat

If only the #technocrats included anyone other than economists (us STEM people feel left out when it comes to basically anything related to medicine/biology).

Like drug scheduling... (hoping hillary is against drug reform because its a polarizing issue and will change her mind once she wins but not holding my breath).

 

[FyreWulff]

Built better relationships with southern black communities: a senator in vermont.

Okay.

This line of reasoning is why nobody cares that he marched with King, or got arrested. Because right after that he went to and stayed in his cozy space of Vermont.

 

[Frozenprince]

1) We don't need "Occupy CNN nutsos" because our countries have a much higher degree of journalist freedom:

https://rsf.org/en/ranking - US is ranked 46th on the 2016 World Press Freedom Index.

2) We don't need to fight globalization because most western nations have the socialist policies (Universal Healthcare, Universal Education, Economic Regulations) to handle globalization as we move to a 4th industrial age over here. You don't, so globalization hits your average citizen much harder then other western countries with stronger social nets

Yes, because, and this is key.

The US has a structurally different country than other countries that make these policies currently untenable.

Bernie Sanders isn't even a socialist FFS.

 

[Tabris]

And the source of these numbers is...?

https://thepoliticalanalyzer.com/2016/04/30/sanders-dominates-clinton-in-california-with-61-25/

It's political opinion polling, I just grabbed first google link I saw when trying to find age and ethnicity combined demographics. The issue most likely is who is blocked from voting (independents) and who doesn't go out to vote leading Clinton to win polling numbers.

 

[B-Dubs]

You mean senators from states with massively larger African American populations than Bernie's state?

Awesome, fair comparison, dude.

You're the one that said

Because half of the Senators in the US are right wing bigots. If we're just dealing with democrats, Bernie is literally our most progressive senator. Who do you think would do a better job, shy of another person of color?

Not my job to make your arguments easier to make.

So living in Vermont is a fault now? Jesus Christ.

He could have gotten involved in issues outside of Vermont, politicians do that all the time. Not our fault he was lazy.

 

[Frozenprince]

You mean senators from states with massively larger African American populations than Bernie's state?

Awesome, fair comparison, dude.

I'm confused to the point you're even trying to make anymore.

 

[B-Dubs]

https://thepoliticalanalyzer.com/2016/04/30/sanders-dominates-clinton-in-california-with-61-25/

It's political opinion polling, I just grabbed first google link I saw when trying to find age and ethnicity combined demographics. The issue most likely is who is blocked from voting (independents) and who doesn't go out to vote leading Clinton to win polling numbers.

Seriously? That's the website you're going to cite?

 

[CrocMother]

What?

Alright. Look. This is ridiculous.

The office of the president A) Is not some omnipowerful chair that can pass any ballot or bill they choose, and B) this is such a confused logic it's absurd. Hillary can campaign on whatever she wants and then do what she feels is best and within her power when elected because she's made inroads with the people who can actually accomplish things.

I'm asking what positives Bernie can provide other than the constantly stated "pushing the party further left" which isn't really a thing or happening.

The logic seems pretty straight forward to me.

You're right, the president isn't omnipotent. It doesn't really matter to me who wins for that reason, they would both make the right choices in the crucial areas.

You keep asking what positives Bernie can provide, and for you there are none because you are pretty transparent in that you want Hilary to get elected.

Bernie's presence benefits the national political conversation. No, that doesn't help Hilary get elected, and if she wants she can ignore it all and do what she wants when she gets elected.

I like the discourse it brings up. A lot of young people are getting involved in politics because of Bernie.

Again, I'm coming from a place that assumes Trump has little to zero chance. If I were to see any evidence to the contrary, I would lean more towards complete unity behind one candidate.

 

[Prodigal Son]

You're the one that said



Not my job to make your arguments easier to make.

Just pointing out how obvious the advantage both Gillibrand and Schumer would theoretically have.

He'd still do better for having the more progressive policy on a number of issues, however.

He could have gotten involved in issues outside of Vermont, politicians do that all the time. Not our fault he was lazy.

Jesus Christ.

I'd pick a lazy person over someone who actively supported fucking Barry Goldwater.

You make this assumption based on nothing though.

More progressive policies aren't 'nothing.'

 

[Hasphat'sAnts]

https://thepoliticalanalyzer.com/2016/04/30/sanders-dominates-clinton-in-california-with-61-25/

It's political opinion polling, I just grabbed first google link I saw when trying to find age and ethnicity combined demographics. The issue most likely is who is blocked from voting (independents) and who doesn't go out to vote leading Clinton to win polling numbers.

What the fuck am I reading? This dude literally pulled numbers out of a goddamn hat.

 

[B-Dubs]

Just pointing out how obvious the advantage both Gillibrand and Schumer would theoretically have.

He'd still do better for having the more progressive policy on a number of issues, however.

You make this assumption based on nothing though.

 

[Frozenprince]

Seriously? That's the website you're going to cite?

You sure that's not Bernies website?

Jesus Christ they don't even try to hide it.

 

[Silver Arrows]

Seriously? That's the website you're going to cite?

It's Tabris mate. Only here to toot his own horn.

Ignore him like the rest of Canada-GAF does.

 

[SolicitorPirate]

You sure that's not Bernies website?

Jesus Christ they don't even try to hide it.

He's the guy who started that Asian skin tone thread and was dismissing the opinions of actual Asians in favour of his four months living in the region. What did you expect?

 

[Frozenprince]

The logic seems pretty straight forward to me.

You're right, the president isn't omnipotent. It doesn't really matter to me who wins for that reason, they would both make the right choices in the crucial areas.

You keep asking what positives Bernie can provide, and for you there are none because you are pretty transparent in that you want Hilary to get elected.

Bernie's presence benefits the national political conversation. No, that doesn't help Hilary get elected, and if she wants she can ignore it all and do what she wants when she gets elected.

I like the discourse it brings up. A lot of young people are getting involved in politics because of Bernie.

Again, I'm coming from a place that assumes Trump has little to zero chance. If I were to see any evidence to the contrary, I would lean more towards complete unity behind one candidate.

I hate Hillary Clinton.

I think she'll be an awful president. I'm on record as saying this over and over and over.

I just think Bernie is a misguided Idealist who should never, ever, ever be president or allowed oversight on these kinds of wide-reaching changes.

Again, you're being presumptive when all I want is some affirmed positive as to what Bernie staying in does. A factual, clear cut positive that has a tangible effect, not just more talking points.

 

[FyreWulff]

So living in Vermont is a fault now? Jesus Christ.

If you're going to portray yourself as a black ally, yes.

If you're black you can't just move states to escape racism and racist government. Bernie could. And that's what he did, he dipped his toes in the civil rights movement and then moved to an ivory tower of racial homogenity.

 

[Prodigal Son]

If you're going to portray yourself as a black ally, yes.

If you're black you can't just move states to escape racism and racist government. Bernie could. And that's what he did, he dipped his toes in the civil rights movement and then moved to an ivory tower, quite literally.

wow. I'm outta here.

 

[xxracerxx]

https://thepoliticalanalyzer.com/2016/04/30/sanders-dominates-clinton-in-california-with-61-25/

It's political opinion polling, I just grabbed first google link I saw when trying to find age and ethnicity combined demographics. The issue most likely is who is blocked from voting (independents) and who doesn't go out to vote leading Clinton to win polling numbers.

Come on Tabris.

 

[Abounder]

Of course he's staying, Bernie's got millions left to spend, just won another state, and wants Hillary to adopt his policies. Not to mention things get more interesting with the FBI primary with Guccifer's albeit unconfirmed news today that he hacked into her server.

Bernie is a very good plan B if the shit hits the fan

 

[Frozenprince]

wow. I'm outta here.

 

[FyreWulff]

wow. I'm outta here.

I'm sorry reality discomforts you so.

 

[Piecake]

1) He did he 'act surprised.' Where are you getting this from?

2) How many Senators do you think have the opportunity to get recognition on a level anywhere near Hillary Clinton? He'd have an advantage over most other Senators in the country with African Americans.

Give me a break.

Are you implying that name recognition is more important with African American voters than other demographics?

 

[ugaboga232]

If you're going to portray yourself as a black ally, yes.

If you're black you can't just move states to escape racism and racist government. Bernie could. And that's what he did, he dipped his toes in the civil rights movement and then moved to an ivory tower of racial homogenity.

I do not think this logic quite holds up (you could say any number of people arent an ally to X because of where they live and it suggests if you care about an issue you should move to the most contested area) but to each their own.

 

[Tabris]

Yes, because, and this is key.

The US has a structurally different country than other countries that make these policies currently untenable.

Bernie Sanders isn't even a socialist FFS.

I personally don't believe the US is some special snowflake where these policies aren't possible. Your country just went the wrong way in the 80s and you haven't had a political movement strong enough to course correct that economic path.

Tabris, I didn't know that you were a protectionist

Our Great and Honorable Prime Ministerial is against protectionism:

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada...talk-just-campaign-rhetoric-trudeau-says.html

I'm not a protectionist. I believe in globalization when an economy and more importantly social policy and welfare net is ready for it. I just don't think the US was ready for it since they don't have the social welfare net that we do. This is off topic so if you want to debate further, please PM me.

 

[Silver Arrows]

He's the guy who started that Asian skin tone thread and was dismissing the opinions of actual Asians in favour of his four months living in the region. What did you expect?

And also balked a meet up for Vancouver-GAF because he was too busy playing Fallout 4.

And got called out by EviLore for being an egotistical windbag.

 

[Frozenprince]

I personally don't believe the US is some special snowflake where these policies aren't possible. Your country just went the wrong way in the 80s and you haven't had a political movement strong enough to course correct that economic path.

And you'd be wrong.

Not that this is going to be a reasonable discourse seeing as you've slagged me off as boring since I have a kid. /s

 

[Prodigal Son]

Are you implying that name recognition is more important with African American voters than other demographics?

Came back, read dis and now I'm extra outta here.

Yeahyeah. I only vote Bernie because I know his name.

 

[CrocMother]

I hate Hillary Clinton.

I think she'll be an awful president. I'm on record as saying this over and over and over.

I just think Bernie is a misguided Idealist who should never, ever, ever be president or allowed oversight on these kinds of wide-reaching changes.

Again, you're being presumptive when all I want is some affirmed positive as to what Bernie staying in does. A factual, clear cut positive that has a tangible effect, not just more talking points.

It keeps a lot of young people engaged in politics. That has a large pay-off for our country down the road. Yes, many will become jaded and bitter about the process when Bernie eventually drops out. But those seeds will be planted.

On the flip side, I see no tangible negative effects. Democrats win either way.

 

[FyreWulff]

I do not think this logic quite holds up (you could say any number of people arent an ally to X because of where they live and it suggests if you care about an issue you should move to the most contested area) but to each their own.

Anyone an ally of someone, as long as they do what they can within their means, is a true ally.

Bernie had the means, but didn't use them.

 

[Frozenprince]

Anyone an ally of someone, as long as they do what they can within their means, is a true ally.

Bernie had the means, but didn't use them.

He spent more money in NY that he did in the entirety of the South.

His priorities in terms of the voters he was trying to court should be obvious and evident.

 

[Tabris]

I'm going to leave the thread as thread is derailing into talk about me. I just want to point out all I did was post my opinion on age and ethnicity demographics, provided a link I found showing ethnicity demographics, and said that Bernie Sanders and his message were more in line with the western world.

 

[The Technomancer]

He's doing plenty positive for those issues.

Hilary is going to be forced to compromise on some of those issues that are important to Bernie supporters.

What issue could there be compromise on? The minimum wage I guess. Bernie's made it clear he's not happy till the banks are broken up and single payer is a reality, you don't appease him with half steps

 

[Silver Arrows]

I'm going to leave the thread as thread is derailing into talk about me. I just want to point out all I did was post my opinion on age and ethnicity demographics, provided a link I found showing ethnicity demographics, and said that Bernie Sanders and his message were more in line with the western world.

Yet you did it in the most Tabris of ways: condescending and in the most ignorant of ways.

 

[Lkr]

Sometimes I wonder if the Hillary campaign is paying anyone on gaf to correct the record

 

[Vestal]

https://thepoliticalanalyzer.com/2016/04/30/sanders-dominates-clinton-in-california-with-61-25/

It's political opinion polling, I just grabbed first google link I saw when trying to find age and ethnicity combined demographics. The issue most likely is who is blocked from voting (independents) and who doesn't go out to vote leading Clinton to win polling numbers.

ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS??

Look at one of their headlines.. Its a shill site..

 

[Slayven]

He spent more money in NY that he did in the entirety of the South.

His priorities in terms of the voters he was trying to court should be obvious and evident.

Yeah cause southern democrats don't count unless they "vote right"

 

[ugaboga232]

Anyone an ally of someone, as long as they do what they can within their means, is a true ally.

Bernie had the means, but didn't use them.

This seems like an impossible bar to reach for almost anyone given the realities of being a human and especially a senator in the congress (I'm sure hillary didn't do everything she could have by a long shot) but you do you.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

I'm going to leave the thread as thread is derailing into talk about me. I just want to point out all I did was post my opinion on age and ethnicity demographics, provided a link I found showing ethnicity demographics, and said that Bernie Sanders and his message were more in line with the western world.

Clear the path gentlemen,the goalposts are moving.

 

[Piecake]

Came back, read dis and now I'm extra outta here.

Yeahyeah. I only vote Bernie because I know his name.

Oh please,

2) How many Senators do you think have the opportunity to get recognition on a level anywhere near Hillary Clinton? He'd have an advantage over most other Senators in the country with African Americans.

When you say that Clinton would have an advantage over most other senators in the country with African Americans due to name recognition as a reason for why African American overwhelmingly voted for Clinton that is implying that other demographics are less affected by name recognition.

I wanted you to clarify your thoughts to see whether or not you meant that implication, but apparently you are just so pathetically defensive that you are going to take your ball and go home.

Way to go on the reading comprehension as well. I said absolutely nothing about why you are voting for Bernie.

 

[Frozenprince]

Yeah cause southern democrats don't count unless they "vote right"

It's the establishment keeping him down, obviously.

 

[BanGy.nz]

What issue could there be compromise on? The minimum wage I guess. Bernie's made it clear he's not happy till the banks are broken up and single payer is a reality, you don't appease him with half steps

Democratic Primary reform and maybe Fracking?

 

[SolicitorPirate]

It keeps a lot of young people engaged in politics. That has a large pay-off for our country down the road. Yes, many will become jaded and bitter about the process when Bernie eventually drops out. But those seeds will be planted.

On the flip side, I see no tangible negative effects. Democrats win either way.

Given his unrealistic proposals, constant dismissal of anyone who doesn't agree with him as corrupt and idiotic and plan to convince super delegates to vote for him rather than follow the popular vote, I would argue he's keeping young people engaged in the fantasy of politics.

 

[Frozenprince]

The Primary doesn't need to be reformed though, it's working exactly as intended.

The popular candidate is handily winning. You didn't see this kind of hand wringing from Hillary herself in 08' when there was a MUCH better case for reform.

 

[BlastProcessing]

The logic seems pretty straight forward to me.

You're right, the president isn't omnipotent. It doesn't really matter to me who wins for that reason, they would both make the right choices in the crucial areas.

You keep asking what positives Bernie can provide, and for you there are none because you are pretty transparent in that you want Hilary to get elected.

Bernie's presence benefits the national political conversation. No, that doesn't help Hilary get elected, and if she wants she can ignore it all and do what she wants when she gets elected.

I like the discourse it brings up. A lot of young people are getting involved in politics because of Bernie.

Again, I'm coming from a place that assumes Trump has little to zero chance. If I were to see any evidence to the contrary, I would lean more towards complete unity behind one candidate.

The problem is that the media only really covers a politician if they say something new. Sanders core stump message has been remarkably consistent so it doesn't get much play. What does get play is when he does things like call Clinton unqualified for president, question the integrity of the DNC' primary process and accuse Clinton of "Money Laundering".

In his position it's becoming increasingly hard for him to get his message out in the context of a primary. The media is going to keep shaking the jar trying to make the spiders fight. The best way for him to continue his positive message is to move inside of the party. He has the capability to do a lot of good down ticket and put his stamp on the future of the party in general.

He just needs to be willing to come to the table.

 

[Draper]

Yeah cause southern democrats don't count unless they "vote right"

Any other time, we would be chastising the silly south, unless it's political season.

In which case, it's an easy implication of racism.

 

[xxracerxx]

I'm going to leave the thread as thread is derailing into talk about me. I just want to point out all I did was post my opinion on age and ethnicity demographics, provided a link I found showing ethnicity demographics

Jesus Christ.

 

[Slayven]

The Primary doesn't need to be reformed though, it's working exactly as intended.

The popular candidate is handily winning. You didn't see this kind of hand wringing from Hillary herself in 08' when there was a MUCH better case for reform.

What is popularity Frozen?

Is it raw votes?

Is it in states won?

Is it in delegate count?

How does one truly measure popularity?