Frozenprince
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Any other time, we would be chastising the silly south, unless it's political season.
In which case, it's an easy implication of racism.
Come on now.
Any other time, we would be chastising the silly south, unless it's political season.
In which case, it's an easy implication of racism.
This seems like an impossible bar to reach for almost anyone given the realities of being a human and especially a senator in the congress (I'm sure hillary didn't do everything she could have by a long shot) but you do you.
Didn't she have a huge lead before sanders even announced? Not saying she didn't do that or it didn't help, but its not like this was a tortoise and a hare type scenario.
I'm talking about what she did compared to what he did.
I firmly believe her huge victory in SC which was much larger than expected btw was due to how she campaigned there. Same with her margins in NY
I think I made it pretty clear that I don't expect a white kid in Idaho that can't get enough money to leave the town, as long as he fights locally for more equality and goes online and works with national people of similar though on talking and so on, they're an ally.
Bernie had the funds, the mobility, and everything else to stay in Chicago, or move to the South, and be a Civil Rights 'general' in multiple ways. Instead, he (literally) said the rural life captivated him, and moved into one of the whitest states in the union.
Sharpton couldn't do that because no matter where he moved, he was still black. King couldn't march and then fly back to Montana the next day, because he'd still be black. Obama can't decide he's going to focus on his beet farm in Indiana, because he'll still be black. Us white folk don't get this bare simple fact that the reason the Civil Rights Leaders got shit done is because civil rights is their reality. It's not for us. With a change of a haircut and a suit, we can go from Hippy to Businessman in the white priviledged society. A black guy that gets his hair cut and in a suit is a Black Businessman. Bernie had the freedom to change his clothes and go elsewhere and did, black citizens encounter racism no matter if they are homeless or a millionaire.
So this is why it's fairly damn easy to see why "but marched with King!" and "got arrested once!" don't hold much weight. He didn't have to live it, and chose not to live it when he could have.
I'm talking about what she did compared to what he did.
I firmly believe her huge victory in SC which was much larger than expected btw was due to how she campaigned there. Same with her margins in NY
Oh please,
When you say that Clinton would have an advantage over most other senators in the country with African Americans due to name recognition as a reason for why African American overwhelmingly voted for Clinton that is implying that other demographics are less affected by name recognition.
I wanted you to clarify your thoughts to see whether or not you meant that implication, but apparently you are just so pathetically defensive that you are going to take your ball and go home.
Way to go on the reading comprehension as well. I said absolutely nothing about why you are voting for Bernie.
I agree that what he did 40 years ago doesn't really pertain other than to MAYBE set a precedent (which it didnt really do in some people's minds).
But are you saying sanders should sacrifice his happiness to be an ally to black people? What about drug addicts? What about the under/uninsured? What about XXX group?
I totally agree what you are saying, and I think anyone who does reorient their life for any type of similar cause is a true ally, but i think its really unfair to ask/expect people to give up their lives because XXX group of people needs help. It is asking humans to go against how they are wired. Hillary lives in westchester which is barely one step away from vermont in terms of socioeconomic diversity last I checked.
I am an African American voter who allegedly made claims about African American voters as a whole. Would I not include myself? You really in a position to condescend me, dude?
Name recognition entails more than "I know that name!" Why do you know that name? What does that name mean to you? Because of her actions related to the African American community, she is known more by the African American community and perceived well in that community. The fact that you'd spin that into racial stereotyping on my part is probably the most HillaryGAF thing I've ever seen in my life. And you want to school me on reading comprehension? Dude.
OT: yeah, yeah. I couldn't stay away.
Some funny stuff, here.
He had the connections and the money to live comfortably in the most active civil rights cities while still being an on the ground general, organizer, and speech giver. He could have lived comfortably, and ran for office in a black community where he could forward the community's concerns and be held to the fire when he didn't.
Instead he ran for office in a state that mostly already agreed with his general politics and never had to be concerned about black issues to be re-elected.
I am an African American voter who allegedly made claims about African American voters as a whole. Would I not include myself? You really in a position to condescend me, dude?
Name recognition entails more than "I know that name!" Why do you know that name? What does that name mean to you? Because of her actions related to the African American community, she is known more by the African American community and perceived well in that community. The fact that you'd spin that into racial stereotyping on my part is probably the most HillaryGAF thing I've ever seen in my life. And you want to school me on reading comprehension? Dude.
OT: yeah, yeah. I couldn't stay away.
Taken before Cruz and Kasich dropped out. Not sure how much meaning it still has.
I think I made it pretty clear that I don't expect a white kid in Idaho that can't get enough money to leave the town, as long as he fights locally for more equality and goes online and works with national people of similar though on talking and so on, they're an ally.
Bernie had the funds, the mobility, and everything else to stay in Chicago, or move to the South, and be a Civil Rights 'general' in multiple ways. Instead, he (literally) said the rural life captivated him, and moved into one of the whitest states in the union.
Sharpton couldn't do that because no matter where he moved, he was still black. King couldn't march and then fly back to Montana the next day, because he'd still be black. Obama can't decide he's going to focus on his beet farm in Indiana, because he'll still be black. Us white folk don't get this bare simple fact that the reason the Civil Rights Leaders got shit done is because civil rights is their reality. It's not for us. With a change of a haircut and a suit, we can go from Hippy to Businessman in the white priviledged society. A black guy that gets his hair cut and in a suit is a Black Businessman. Bernie had the freedom to change his clothes and go elsewhere and did, black citizens encounter racism no matter if they are homeless or a millionaire. King paid for it with his life.
So this is why it's fairly damn easy to see why "but marched with King!" and "got arrested once!" don't hold much weight. He didn't have to live it, and chose not to live it when he could have.
You mean all those bills that were enacted before Hillary Clinton ever held an elected office? Many of those bills which Bernie supported?
You get back what you dish out. I asked a question and you were condescending and dismissive to me, so I treated you just like you treated me. I like the whole victimhood angle you got going in your post now as well.
I wanted clarification about what you meant. If you simply further explained what you meant then there would have been nothing else to discuss and I would have been fine with your post. But no, you had to be a condescending, defensive and dismissive instead of answering a simple question. You had to be excessively dramatic and turn it into a huge dramatic event.
Sure, I asked whether you thought that way because I was unsure what you were meaning by that statement. I wanted clarification. I did not accuse you of racial stereotyping. That is a big fucking difference, and if you don't understand that then I really have no idea why I am talking with you any more
And its hard not question whether you read my post or not because I said absolutely nothing about why you are a Bernie supporter.
Meaningless since this was before Cruz and Kasich dropped.
The last part of your post remains utterly perplexing.
- I talked about how Clinton's success relates to name recognition in the AA community.
- You ask whether or not I'm stereotyping AA voters (then proceeded to act like you insinuated nothing in doing so)
- I point out that I, myself, am a black voter and sarcastically claim I am voting for Sanders because I, myself, fall victim to the same innate predisposition to name recognition that I allegedly implied was true of black voters.
What aren't you getting here?
You also can't accuse me of playing the victim in a post where you play the victim.
Apparently you can't ask someone a question to clarify what someone mean without that being insulting.
And for future reference, I had absolutely no idea you were black, so you might want to include that information in the actual post so future snide remarks like that make sense.
Why not? I asked a question and you were rude to me. You could have answered like an adult and said something like No, I don't think that way blah blah blah and I don't appreciate you insinuating such and such. I would respond no, I did not mean to imply that. I was looking for clarification and apologize to you if you felt like that. End of conversation.
Look at that. An adult conversation. Amazing.
Like what?
What, specifically, is he doing that is positive for these issues?
And no, no she isn't, because Bernie supporters aren't going to get her elected, undecided voters (I/E the vast majority of the GE) are.
What issue could there be compromise on? The minimum wage I guess. Bernie's made it clear he's not happy till the banks are broken up and single payer is a reality, you don't appease him with half steps
I think I made it pretty clear that I don't expect a white kid in Idaho that can't get enough money to leave the town, as long as he fights locally for more equality and goes online and works with national people of similar though on talking and so on, they're an ally.
Bernie had the funds, the mobility, and everything else to stay in Chicago, or move to the South, and be a Civil Rights 'general' in multiple ways. Instead, he (literally) said the rural life captivated him, and moved into one of the whitest states in the union.
Sharpton couldn't do that because no matter where he moved, he was still black. King couldn't march and then fly back to Montana the next day, because he'd still be black. Obama can't decide he's going to focus on his beet farm in Indiana, because he'll still be black. Us white folk don't get this bare simple fact that the reason the Civil Rights Leaders got shit done is because civil rights is their reality. It's not for us. With a change of a haircut and a suit, we can go from Hippy to Businessman in the white priviledged society. A black guy that gets his hair cut and in a suit is a Black Businessman. Bernie had the freedom to change his clothes and go elsewhere and did, black citizens encounter racism no matter if they are homeless or a millionaire. King paid for it with his life.
So this is why it's fairly damn easy to see why "but marched with King!" and "got arrested once!" don't hold much weight. He didn't have to live it, and chose not to live it when he could have.
I live in a world where 'Adult' entails more than forced smiles and artificial politeness in the face of bullshit. It's a great, real world. Join me.
Not only did the original post hold the obvious implication that I was black (no shit),
I've also said so like twice since you initially questioned me so I don't know where the 'wait you're black???' is coming from.
See? Settled like honest adults who aren't afraid to speak their actual minds.
That was in reference to my second post where I was returning your rudeness.
And you're no longer worthwhile talking to. Congratulations being the first person I have ever put on my ignore list in 12 years.
U sure showed him, internet tough guy
I think the general point is, if you have aspirations for higher office, going to Vermont is probably not on the list of good moves you could make. If your objective was to go to the Senate, and advocate for very Liberal policies, it would be a good choice.
Vermont is a pretty terrible microcosm of the general population of the United States. Having political experience that consists only of Vermont means you will have to try that much harder to appeal to those not like the people of Vermont.
After all, Sanders is not running for President of Vermont.
Meaningless since this was before Cruz and Kasich dropped.
You do you Bernie. If Hillary couldn't damage the party by endorsing McCain over Obama or hoping Obama would get assassinated during the primary, I'm sure Bernie isn't going to do shit to it with his comparatively Kumbaya campaign. Personally wish he had dropped out to simply campaign on ideals after the South ate his lunch, but no biggie. Income inequality definitely needs to stay at the forefront of campaign issues.
I'd honestly be really interested in why he chose to run for president. I don't know if that has been answered by him, but he's obviously made a fairly serious run of it from the start and it'd be cool to know why. Because you're right, he doesn't have much of a background that would lead me to believe he cared much about furthering his political career.
I think I made it pretty clear that I don't expect a white kid in Idaho that can't get enough money to leave the town, as long as he fights locally for more equality and goes online and works with national people of similar though on talking and so on, they're an ally.
Bernie had the funds, the mobility, and everything else to stay in Chicago, or move to the South, and be a Civil Rights 'general' in multiple ways. Instead, he (literally) said the rural life captivated him, and moved into one of the whitest states in the union.
Sharpton couldn't do that because no matter where he moved, he was still black. King couldn't march and then fly back to Montana the next day, because he'd still be black. Obama can't decide he's going to focus on his beet farm in Indiana, because he'll still be black. Us white folk don't get this bare simple fact that the reason the Civil Rights Leaders got shit done is because civil rights is their reality. It's not for us. With a change of a haircut and a suit, we can go from Hippy to Businessman in the white priviledged society. A black guy that gets his hair cut and in a suit is a Black Businessman. Bernie had the freedom to change his clothes and go elsewhere and did, black citizens encounter racism no matter if they are homeless or a millionaire. King paid for it with his life.
So this is why it's fairly damn easy to see why "but marched with King!" and "got arrested once!" don't hold much weight. He didn't have to live it, and chose not to live it when he could have.
That was in reference to my second post where I was returning your rudeness.
And you're no longer worthwhile talking to. Congratulations being the first person I have ever put on my ignore list in 12 years.
I'd honestly be really interested in why he chose to run for president. I don't know if that has been answered by him, but he's obviously made a fairly serious run of it from the start and it'd be cool to know why. Because you're right, he doesn't have much of a background that would lead me to believe he cared much about furthering his political career.
I just heard a clip of Hillary endorsing Obama in 08, so I don't know where this allegation of backing McCain is coming from.
You're entitled to hate Hilary Clinton if that's your prerogative, but at least do it for reasons grounded in facts.
https://www.nationaljournal.com/mag...ight-everybody-else-is-wrong-clear-about-that
While I get that it might be daunting to try to get the minority vote away from Clinton, you kind of have to try.
You don't win the Dem Primary by not courting minorities. Hillary learned this lesson in 08. That and you can't beat Obama.
Meaningless since this was before Cruz and Kasich dropped.
I think that I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD-p8ltbq6w
Edit: I think this is what people are referring to when they say she endorsed McCain over Obama.
So Hillary was saying that Obama was unqualified? Hmmmm. Where, oh where, have I heard that before?
how so? i legitimately don't follow.
Yeah, it's not that big of a deal to me but I can see how saying McCain is better for the job than Obama is would upset some Dems. I agreed with it back in that election because it was a fair criticism to give.
Edit: man I can get my thoughts across without editing after the fact over and over.
Which is why I brought up that the line about being unqualified. She says the same thing about Obama but people went batshit insane when Bernie did it (or didn't; I just heard the blurbs because I really didn't care).
Keep in mind a lot of the anger and frustration was from Sanders going negative and personal after saying he would not. Hillary has not gone very negative at all in comparison. The most negative she went was with attacking Sanders gun policy history.
There was a double standard that is still in effect, and Hillary did not go more negative in response to Sanders.
Do I need to remind you they went ahead and tried to paint him as sexist at one point.
Keep in mind a lot of the anger and frustration was from Sanders going negative and personal after saying he would not. Hillary has not gone very negative at all in comparison. The most negative she went was with attacking Sanders gun policy history.
There was a double standard that is still in effect, and Hillary did not go more negative in response to Sanders.
Some of Clinton's surrogates did indirectly try to do that. But i'd suggest not bringing surrogates into it considering the shit Sander's have said. I was referring directly to the campaign.