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[Voost Kain]

I would take a look to the Publisher/Producer credits if I were you, it's not that simple...
And I thought that "they" you were referring to was "Activision" in response to me... My bad I guess.

And I don't know where I'm failing in presenting arguments when you are ignoring or making up things...

Says I'm ignoring or making things up, has no proof, apologizes to for misreading and assuming things in this very post.

What?

I think its nice having a opposing view-point sometimes honestly; you being realistic is good for tempering my expectations this E3. Even though I'm still expecting Crash, will not be disappointing if he does not show.

People really want the game to happen and I feel there is too much smoke proving that something is happening with the IP. Its fine if you don't see that or don't believe that, but others do.

Either way, its making for productive discussion and I appreciate the comments you have been making thus far.

Smoke can work the other way around as well however.

I like Crash, I like Spyro, both are games people want back though people aren't as hyped for a Spyro because they kind of gave up on him a little after Skylanders.

But let's be honest here there's no real EVIDENCE that there is a new Crash we have played this same game for 3 years now. It doesn't make sense financially for Activision to sell the IP to SOny what benefit does that give Activision? This is likely the main issue people are ignoring when they say Crash is coming home.

As for a deal, while that is more likely, it still would not make much sense financially because why would they not release it multiplatform?

People here talk about Activision but when it comes to Crash all of a sudden Activision is saint nick?

 

[TedHub]

Spoiler

2. Why would a recreation of a PS1 Crash game have the activision logo on it? As for the game itself played in that game, we already have 3 pages of discussion on how that doesn't mean anything.

Spoiler

Tell me what Activision or Crash not being listed in the credits of the game could possibly mean. It might not necessarily mean Sony owns the IP, but there's something up here.

 

[N.Domixis]

If he doesn't show up this E3 it's fucking settled. He's not coming back. That way crash fans can finally put it to rest and the haters can finally STU. Sorry if it sounded harsh but I'm pissed.

 

[Voost Kain]

We'll have to agree to disagree, but it seems like many of you are really only setting yourselves up for an emotional crushing once E3 comes around. Or rather within the next couple weeks considering some of the comments on (C) and TM in this thread.

Sometimes I think people are forgetting we are talking about "Activision" here these aren't saints and they want to make money, That alone already put doubts in my mind, selling the IP, or doing an exclusive partnership goes against everything we have seen from the company.

 

[BetaM]

You think a Crash Bandicoot game takes 3 years to make?

Twinsanity was in pre-production for 2 years and then 1 year in production.
Titans was 2 years in production.

I doubt the sign too, but that's a bad argument.

 

[Undead Fantasy]

 

[Voost Kain]

Spoiler

Tell me what Activision or Crash not being listed in the credits of the game could possibly mean. It might not necessarily mean Sony owns the IP, but there's something up here.

It means nothing. It means either Activision green lit that little cameo, or they used the original coding fro the PS classic which don't have Activisions logo on them. I don't see it as anything more, and following Activision, I don't see it meaning anything else.

If he doesn't show up this E3 it's fucking settled. He's not coming back. That way crash fans can finally put it to rest and the haters can finally STU. Sorry if it sounded harsh but I'm pissed.

Activision will use him for...Something eventually, but as what people have been expecting for the last 3 years? Don't think that's happening. The next time we will see Crash is either Activision attempting a platformer, maybe buy the Spider-man devs, or they will do something with him like SKylanders.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

We'll have to agree to disagree, but it seems like many of you are really only setting yourselves up for an emotional crushing once E3 comes around. Or rather within the next couple weeks considering some of the comments on (C) and TM in this thread.

Sometimes I think people are forgetting we are talking about "Activision" here these aren't saints and they want to make money, That alone already put doubts in my mind, selling the IP, or doing an exclusive partnership goes against everything we have seen from the company.

People asked for shenmue for 14 years,ff7 remake was asked for, for almost two decades. Even of crash isn't there I highly doubt people will stop believing either way if they get crushed they are probably ready for it

 

[Voost Kain]

Twinsanity was in pre-production for 2 years and then 1 year in production.
Titans was 2 years in production.

I doubt the sign too, but that's a bad argument.

Twinsanity had development issues. Then they had to rush to meet a deadline.

Titans was being worked on during the other crash release and then released the next year to continue Crashes annual installments. Also 2 is not 3.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

Edit: I see your point, but I'm saying, to the people who believe Sony is lying to save a surprise for E3: why would they clarify and lie to save a surprise for E3 when they didn't have to say anything at all today?

Because it all adds to the ruse. Continually deny thing is happening = bigger surprise when you finally confirm thing is happening.

Jesus guys, again and again, every single thread this has to be said:

The only issue with that is that Sony no longer funds games to which they don't own the IP - exactly because of Crash and Spyro going multi-plat in the PS2 era, after they'd been mascots of the PS1. I believe that they would make a few minor exceptions such as Spider-Man (that brand is so incredibly valuable), but who knows if they'd want to go through the same song and dance twenty years later of making Crash Bandicoot popular and then having the series springboard off that popularity and go to other consoles.

 

[TedHub]

It means nothing. It means either Activision green lit that little cameo, or they used the original coding fro the PS classic which don't have Activisions logo on them. I don't see it as anything more, and following Activision, I don't see it meaning anything else.

None of this would make it okay for Sony to not credit Activision for the use of their owned IP.

 

[Ivan 3414]

Twinsanity was in pre-production for 2 years and then 1 year in production.
Titans was 2 years in production.

I doubt the sign too, but that's a bad argument.

To be fair Twinsanity had a ton of development troubles.

Too bad, I liked that game a lot but it really needed some polish

 

[Scotia]

We'll have to agree to disagree, but it seems like many of you are really only setting yourselves up for an emotional crushing once E3 comes around. Or rather within the next couple weeks considering some of the comments on (C) and TM in this thread.

Sometimes I think people are forgetting we are talking about "Activision" here these aren't saints and they want to make money, That alone already put doubts in my mind, selling the IP, or doing an exclusive partnership goes against everything we have seen from the company.

Why do you care? Honestly, why do people getting hyped and speculating over something that excites them bother you so much. If they want to get hyped and speculate, then fucking let them instead of wasting all day bickering back and forth and pissing off yourself and other people. I honestly question why you'd come in here and just spend an entire day trying to convince a bunch of people who don't want to be convinced that they're wrong. Why do that?

 

[RK128]

Lets have some positive stuff with Crash guys .

Will be making a Retrospective on Crash 2 a day earlier then I intended but after this heated discussion, I need to do something to calm us all down ! Lets have a nice time reading about the Bandicoot's second adventure later tonight.

If Crash gets a new game or now, if he returns to Sony or not, if Activision sits on the IP for god knows how long.......the series is iconic and dearly loved. If nothing happens, oh well, we got the PS1 and PS2 games still . If something does happen, lets all get excited and hyped .

 

[Voost Kain]

People asked for shenmue for 14 years,ff7 remake was asked for, for almost two decades. Even of crash isn't there I highly doubt people will stop believing either way if they get crushed they are probably ready for it

DId we get Shenmue 3? Did we get FF7R? No we didn't.

What we got was a stunt to make a poor E3 look better. Players kickstarted Shenmue 3, which is what the whole reveal was about, and we still haven't got much new info in terms of its progress, and we know that FF&R is in episodes which hints at my and others on the internet concerns that they worked with Sony on that teaser and were forced into this so would make the game in parts to capitalize on the hype before it ran out. TLG also got some hype there, which oddly you didn't mention.

Using the logic you are using here, the next Crash game will be an episodic game coming out in 2018.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

So you think they were hinting at selling the IP to Sony or working with each other for 3 years? You think they had all these tricks to fool people well in advance for 3 years? You think a Crash Bandicoot game takes 3 years to make?

People think I'm nuts for thinking some of the points expressed in this thread don't make sense?

It's entirely possible that Sony have had this planned (with Activision) for some time and have been dropping hints everywhere as some masterful subtle long-term marketing plan. It's also possible they're just paying homage to an important character from Playstation history.

However, of course it would take 3 years to make such a game from scratch - unless you can show me some comparable modern games which have taken demonstrably less time to develop?

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

DId we get Shenmue 3? Did we get FF7R? No we didn't.

What we got was a stunt to make a poor E3 look better. Players kickstarted Shenmue 3, which is what the whole reveal was about, and we still haven't got much new info in terms of its progress, and we know that FF&R is in episodes which hints at my and others on the internet concerns that they worked with Sony on that teaser and were forced into this so would make the game in parts to capitalize on the hype before it ran out. TLG also got some hype there, which oddly you didn't mention.

Using the logic you are using here, the next Crash game will be an episodic game coming out in 2018.

Alright at this point you're just being overly negative for whatever reason do you bro.

 

[Papacheeks]

God now I have My Console in my head.

Lol, Oh gawd I remember that.

 

[TedHub]

DId we get Shenmue 3? Did we get FF7R? No we didn't.

What we got was a stunt to make a poor E3 look better. Players kickstarted Shenmue 3, which is what the whole reveal was about, and we still haven't got much new info in terms of its progress, and we know that FF&R is in episodes which hints at my and others on the internet concerns that they worked with Sony on that teaser and were forced into this so would make the game in parts to capitalize on the hype before it ran out. TLG also got some hype there, which oddly you didn't mention.

Using the logic you are using here, the next Crash game will be an episodic game coming out in 2018.

Okay now this whole post is just bizarre. We got game announcements. That's what E3 is for. What more do you want? This is just plain childish.

 

[Liamc723]

DId we get Shenmue 3? Did we get FF7R? No we didn't.

What we got was a stunt to make a poor E3 look better. Players kickstarted Shenmue 3, which is what the whole reveal was about, and we still haven't got much new info in terms of its progress, and we know that FF&R is in episodes which hints at my and others on the internet concerns that they worked with Sony on that teaser and were forced into this so would make the game in parts to capitalize on the hype before it ran out. TLG also got some hype there, which oddly you didn't mention.

Using the logic you are using here, the next Crash game will be an episodic game coming out in 2018.

Nah, you're just being dumb now and making stuff up.

Anything to make you seem negative and to shit on Crash, huh?

 

[Statue of Limitation]

It means nothing. It means either Activision green lit that little cameo, or they used the original coding fro the PS classic which don't have Activisions logo on them. I don't see it as anything more, and following Activision, I don't see it meaning anything else.

Some of the arguments in favour are reaches, big ones, but then again a lot of your defences are also grasping at straws. If Activision greenlighted what changes their mind months ago when ND said weren't allowed? How come they aren't featured in the credits? Not even a special thanks?

And its just clearly not the original coding. There is a brand new HUD, the model of Crash is altered and some animations are different - are we going to pretend altering the original game in any way wouldn't be crazy legal gray area?

 

[Voost Kain]

Alright at this point you're just being overly negative for whatever reason do you bro.

Telling the truth is being negative now?

None of this would make it okay for Sony to not credit Activision for the use of their owned IP.

Whwhwhwh WHAT?!

If they greenlit it it IS OK.

If they used the code for their PS classics, which DO NOT have activisions logo on them that would also be OK.

It's entirely possible that Sony have had this planned (with Activision) for some time and have been dropping hints everywhere as some masterful subtle long-term marketing plan. It's also possible they're just paying homage to an important character from Playstation history.

However, of course it would take 3 years to make such a game from scratch - unless you can show me some comparable modern games which have taken demonstrably less time to develop?

Why would Activision do this? Have we all forgotten who Activision is???

Lets have some positive stuff with Crash guys .

Will be making a Retrospective on Crash 2 a day earlier then I intended but after this heated discussion, I need to do something to calm us all down ! Lets have a nice time reading about the Bandicoot's second adventure later tonight.

If Crash gets a new game or now, if he returns to Sony or not, if Activision sits on the IP for god knows how long.......the series is iconic and dearly loved. If nothing happens, oh well, we got the PS1 and PS2 games still . If something does happen, lets all get excited and hyped .

Looking forward to it.

 

[TedHub]

Whwhwhwh WHAT?!

If they greenlit it it IS OK.

If they used the code for their PS classics, which DO NOT have activisions logo on them that would also be OK.

They would expect to see their name in the credits. That is that. Just because their logo isn't in it doesn't mean they don't own it or the IP.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

DId we get Shenmue 3? Did we get FF7R? No we didn't.

What we got was a stunt to make a poor E3 look better. Players kickstarted Shenmue 3, which is what the whole reveal was about, and we still haven't got much new info in terms of its progress, and we know that FF&R is in episodes which hints at my and others on the internet concerns that they worked with Sony on that teaser and were forced into this so would make the game in parts to capitalize on the hype before it ran out. TLG also got some hype there, which oddly you didn't mention.

Using the logic you are using here, the next Crash game will be an episodic game coming out in 2018.

Wow man; I really dislike your tone. You're just being negative for the sake of being negative. Also, using FFVIIR as an example doesn't mean that Crash would be an episodic game. That's just being obnoxious.

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

Someday they'll just come forward and say that Crash t-shirt was just playing to the 90s kids and that they never really planned on bringing him back to Playstation...

 

[Voost Kain]

Nah, you're just being dumb now and making stuff up.

Anything to make you seem negative and to shit on Crash, huh?

I'm being dumb and making stuff up?

Clarify let's go down the list:

Did we get Either Shenmue 3 or FF7R yet? No
Was Sony's reveal for Shenmue basically a kickstart Advertisement? Yes
Is FF7R episodic? Yes?

Please go on and tell me what I am making up. I'm waiting.

 

[Voost Kain]

Wow man; I really dislike your tone. You're just being negative for the sake of being negative. Also, using FFVIIR as an example doesn't mean that Crash would be an episodic game. That's just being obnoxious.

No you took an example and then twisted it to pretend that I was actually saying that is what it will be, while ignoring I've been saying it likely isn't happening.

That';s a low move.

 

[Liamc723]

Telling the truth is being negative now?.

Except you're not telling the truth.

"which hints at my and others on the internet concerns that they worked with Sony on that teaser and were forced into this so would make the game in parts to capitalize on the hype before it ran out"

Ohhh, so you're basing your opinion on rumours? Huh, weird, doing that is something you've been sworn against doing in this very thread for Crash Bandicoot.

You need to look at yourself before being overly negative.

 

[Scotia]

This is fucking ridiculous. I've never known people to be so against the possibility of a game that they'd waste their entire day trying to convince people why they're wrong and he's right. This is borderline pathetic.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

Why would Activision do this? Have we all forgotten who Activision is???

They are a business who do most things for profit? Such as selling an old IP they no longer see any value in to one of their most important business partners.

 

[BetaM]

Twinsanity had development issues. Then they had to rush to meet a deadline.

Titans was being worked on during the other crash release and then released the next year to continue Crashes annual installments. Also 2 is not 3.

Glad you agree that in reality they have or could've taken more time, which makes your argument even worse in retrospect.
And before you try to pick this post apart, I won't try to argue about this anymore, the FACTS are clear.

 

[Liamc723]

I'm being dumb and making stuff up?

Clarify let's go down the list:

Did we get Either Shenmue 3 or FF7R yet? No
Was Sony's reveal for Shenmue basically a kickstart Advertisement? Yes
Is FF7R episodic? Yes?

Please go on and tell me what I am making up. I'm waiting.

Were Shenmue 3 and Final Fantasy 7 Remake announced? Yes.

Absolutely pathetic.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

I'm being dumb and making stuff up?

Clarify let's go down the list:

Did we get Either Shenmue 3 or FF7R yet? No
Was Sony's reveal for Shenmue basically a kickstart Advertisement? Yes
Is FF7R episodic? Yes?

Please go on and tell me what I am making up. I'm waiting.

What are you arguing right now!? You think shemmue fans give a damn how the game happened? Did you miss the multiple reactions to the announcement or are you just trying to be negative. What does ff7 being episodic have to do with absolutely anything

 

[ShinMaruku]

Sony is just trolling. That said, no Crash. There will be no Crash.

 

[SNURB]

Are we really going to argue with someone who has fucking Bubsy as an avatar?

Replace that shit with Awesome Possum and then will get somewhere.

 

[OnionPowder]

I'm being dumb and making stuff up?

Clarify let's go down the list:

Did we get Either Shenmue 3 or FF7R yet? No
Was Sony's reveal for Shenmue basically a kickstart Advertisement? Yes
Is FF7R episodic? Yes?

Please go on and tell me what I am making up. I'm waiting.

Did we get Uncharted 4?

No. it's technically not out yet.

 

[Hexa]

I'm being dumb and making stuff up?

Clarify let's go down the list:

Did we get Either Shenmue 3 or FF7R yet? No
Was Sony's reveal for Shenmue basically a kickstart Advertisement? Yes
Is FF7R episodic? Yes?

Please go on and tell me what I am making up. I'm waiting.

Did we get Shenmue 3? Yes, its actively in development by the original creators and looks to completely live up to what was expected of it.
Did we get FF7R? Yes, its currently in development by the amazing Nomura, and looks incredible. The episodic comments were completely taken out of context.
What do we want from E3 this year? An announcement that Crash is coming and by a develop that'll do it right.

I mean, you can have whatever expectations you want, but don't project them on the general gaming community. Overall, people were tremendously satisfied with the greatest E3 conference of all time. We got exactly what we wanted.
Whether Crash is coming in 2017 or 2018, it would still be an incredible announcement. I'm personally betting on 2018 tbh.

 

[Voost Kain]

ALso seriously why when it comes to Crash Activision switched the greed switch to the charity switch?

Why are people here convinced Activision would even sell the IP, why would they go against their behaviors for years now and basically sell away free money?

Activisions reps are looking at threads like this and are saying "man we are sitting on a potential gold mine" why would they sell the IP to sony? They get nothing out of it, it gives them zero benefits and gives Sony everything. You think Sony paid for it? Crash would likely be a big purchase, and if they were to pay the amount Activision would request you would think Activision would sit down and wonder, "why pay all this money if they don't think the'll make it back", and then go and keep it for themselves?

AT least the partnership claims make a bit more sense, though it still doesn't really benefit Activision to not launch on PC and XO as well. Even timed, though at least timed is a more realistic explanation. But that would kind of hurt sales outside of the PS4 for a bit.

 

[Scotia]

What are you arguing right now!? You think shemmue fans give a damn how the game happened? Did you miss the multiple reactions to the announcement or are you just trying to be negative. What does ff7 being episodic have to do with absolutely anything

He's reaching into the farthest depths of his ass to pull out more bullshit reasons as to why he thinks the possiblity of a new Crash game is impossible and that we're all basically naive idiots for thinking it's not even though we've had a shit ton of hints in the last 3 years that tease a Crash return.

I honestly don't know why people are still giving this guy the time of day.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Even if there is something cooking with Sony/Activision regarding Crash, it is probably like a re-release of the original PSone Trilogy on PSN or something.

 

[Voost Kain]

This is fucking ridiculous. I've never known people to be so against the possibility of a game that they'd waste their entire day trying to convince people why they're wrong and he's right. This is borderline pathetic.

Yep entire day. Has it even been an hour yet?

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

Even if there is something cooking with Sony/Activision regarding Crash, it is probably like a re-release of the original PSone Trilogy on PSN or something.

Make it an HD collection I'll take it

 

[Scotia]

Yep entire day. Has it even been an hour yet?

Dude, I went to work at 10am here in the UK and you were doing this shit. It's now 9:15pm and it's still going on.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

No you took an example and then twisted it to pretend that I was actually saying that is what it will be, while ignoring I've been saying it likely isn't happening.

That';s a low move.

I can't be bothered to discuss with you any more, but I'll just finish by saying that this argumentative and aggressive tone may end up getting you banned. We get it - you don't think this is happening. That's fine. Just don't be so hostile towards people who think it may be happening and are thus excited.

 

[Liamc723]

Yep entire day. Has it even been an hour yet?

We got tired of you after a few minutes.

Nice one ignoring the replies tearing your argument to pieces by the way.

 

[Papacheeks]

DId we get Shenmue 3? Did we get FF7R? No we didn't.

What we got was a stunt to make a poor E3 look better. Players kickstarted Shenmue 3, which is what the whole reveal was about, and we still haven't got much new info in terms of its progress, and we know that FF&R is in episodes which hints at my and others on the internet concerns that they worked with Sony on that teaser and were forced into this so would make the game in parts to capitalize on the hype before it ran out. TLG also got some hype there, which oddly you didn't mention.

Using the logic you are using here, the next Crash game will be an episodic game coming out in 2018.

Sony is actually funding the game a decent amount. The kickstarter was a smart business move to gauge if it was a viable investment since Shenmue 2 sold like dog shit. That Kickatarter money along with Sony's help make the game a more lucrative deal for all involved publishing wise.

Do you understand that? Do you understand the partnerships Sony has currently with SE? With From Software?
Do you understand that Sony's push at trade shows like E3, and bundles have helped Activision a shit tons since they are market leader?

So why wouldn't Activision throw a deal on the table to either license or fully sell the dead IP back to Sony? EveryBondy wins, especially if Destiny 2 is coming, and especially since COD for this year was not received well, sony can bundle push the shit out of it this christmas, along with anything Skylanders.
Sony more than likely after Destiny's sales and reception had a contract, for if their partnership bore fruit for activision. Which it looks like it did by a lot.

We will see this E3 or shit possibly this PS experience in December if Activision was able to throw Sony a bone for all the sales in Call of duty they helped with bundles, pr, and DLC promotions.

 

[Playsage]

Says I'm ignoring or making things up, has no proof, apologizes to for misreading and assuming things in this very post.

What?

Aggressively? I'm being ganged up on for pointing things out such as a sign from 3 years ago is likely no evidence for a game in 2016.

2. Why would a recreation of a PS1 Crash game have the activision logo on it? As for the game itself played in that game, we already have 3 pages of discussion on how that doesn't mean anything.

Such as?

First, you are ignoring the existence of some credible informations like those insiders, the necessity for the Artbook to credit Activision for art produced for the Sony/Universal games and the developers actually saying that they couldn't, at a certain point in time, include content from Crash Bandicoot in Uncharted 4 (and the prohibition from publishing art from a Naughty Dog art contest.)
Second, you made up those possibilites of "legally take non-owned copyrighted material to use in a commercial product" because reasons. (This in a world where credited content creators are suable by the actual property owner, like the John Fogerty/CCR case)

Then you say this

What's hilarious is people whoa re still going on about this are basically saying that SOny themselves are liars.

Which has a double-edged sword value to your argument:
If Adam Boyes has no reason to lie for whatever reason, why ND "lied" about the CB content inclusion in the game when it would be in their best interest to not reveal at all said content?

 

[Cow Goes Moo]

Even if there is something cooking with Sony/Activision regarding Crash, it is probably like a re-release of the original PSone Trilogy on PSN or something.

part of me thinks it's just a way to introduce the ps1 emulator that was rumored with the ps2 emulator

enhanced re-releases

 

[Scotia]

We got tired of you after a few minutes.

Nice one ignoring the replies tearing your argument to pieces by the way.

Everyone literally needs to just ignore this guy. It's the only way he'll give up.

 

[Voost Kain]

What are you arguing right now!? You think shemmue fans give a damn how the game happened? Did you miss the multiple reactions to the announcement or are you just trying to be negative. What does ff7 being episodic have to do with absolutely anything

Did we get Shenmue 3? Yes, its actively in development by the original creators and looks to completely live up to what was expected of it.
Did we get FF7R? Yes, its currently in development by the amazing Nomura, and looks incredible. The episodic comments were completely taken out of context.
What do we want from E3 this year? An announcement that Crash is coming and by a develop that'll do it right.

I mean, you can have whatever expectations you want, but don't project them on the general gaming community. Overall, people were tremendously satisfied with the greatest E3 conference of all time. We got exactly what we wanted.
Whether Crash is coming in 2017 or 2018, it would still be an incredible announcement. I'm personally betting on 2018 tbh.

Are we now going to pretend people weren't disappointing in that E3, and that after the excitement some people weren't as excited as you imply?

Maybe for you and some people you got what you wanted. But you are projecting yourself over the general community. Which is odd because that's what I'M getting blamed for in this thread.