I'm not really expecting SP to be good either, Rage yeah right lol. Even with that standard in mind, current id isn't even same id that made Rage. This is a game that has been rebooted like twice? then had several staff leaving and new people coming in to finally finish it. yeah, if it is as good as Rage with the development hell, it would be serviceable honestly, that game felt unfinished but what was in there was a blast. My expectations are even lower here.
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Doom review codes not getting sent out until launch day?
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Diferentigual
Banned
I would buy this day one if you had the option to aim down the sights. I appreciate that they are trying to keep it as close to the original style and feel, but hip firing the entire time seems like a step backwards I don't like. Can anyone confirm there is no control scheme that allows it? I've searched, and can't get a straight answer.
There is no ADS.
StrangeTaco
Member
There is no ADS. If there was this game would be dead on arrival.
The game isn't designed for people who enjoy that. Not every FPS needs to have the same features. Asking for every game to have ADS, sprint, and other features has caused a homogenization that has made the entire genre suffer. Let games be themselves. They already messed up the multiplayer with loadouts.
BossLackey
Gold Member
Hmm, that doesn't sound good.
I've heard nothing but positive things about the campaign from press.
I've heard nothing but positive things about the campaign from press.
Diferentigual
Banned
I get that, but the fact that they don't provide the option seems gimmicky in my opinion. Let people change it in the control scheme section, and they can enjoy it how they want. Simply opting to leave it out pushes buyers away. Not smart business, and a little stubborn IMO
2blackcats
Member
What? It's not a control scheme thing, it's a game design decision.
StrangeTaco
Member
I assume you're not a DOOM fan then from reading this and this game isn't targeted towards you. DOOM is all about fast movement and gunplay whereas ADS slows down the action. Even if they added the ability to ADS it wouldn't mesh well with the game and you'd end up getting killed constantly while trying to aim at enemies.
It's not stubborn, it's just not a game designed for your tastes and that's OK. Different FPS styles can exist
Wolfenstein had optional ADS. The hipfire was perfectly accurate, but it had ADS if you really wanted it.
MrS
Banned
Yep, I got that text message too. Prolly gonna wait til I'm done with Alienation and Uncharted before jumping in. The price point was awesome compared to ShopTo, too.
Sigh... there are so many things wrong with this I don't know where to begin.
That's straight up game design. It's not designed for ADS and if it was the combat would have to be slowed down dramatically to even make it worthwhile to use. Not all games have to implement ADS.
Diferentigual
Banned
Again, I get that they decided to design it as such, but they designed to opt it out. Meaning they could've designed to have it as an option for those that want to enjoy it like that. We're talking in circles. I get that people like the nostalgia that comes with the style that Doom has and had, but it doesn't mean the devs have to force everyone to enjoy the game however they want. It's silly to argue that it shouldn't have it simply because a lot of people want to play it how they feel it should be played. I want the game to succeed like The New Order did, but I don't enjoy shooting from the hip, which is why I hoped they had different control styles in the settings for those that are like me. I enjoyed the beta, but was constantly trying to ADS lol
Diferentigual
Banned
Yep, that's why I asked. I loved The New Order and supported the devs by buying the game and the DLC. I'd buy this day one as well but I struggled with the beta due to the controls and no ADS
StrangeTaco
Member
TNO while in the same vein also had much slower combat than DOOM. Again the way combat works in these games ADS simply does not mesh well. They would need to completely redesign combat around that mechanic.
2blackcats
Member
I played that through for the first time only a month or so ago and I can't remember there being optional ADS on anything besides the pistol. I know you're a fan of though so I'm sure your right.
I would argue though, that ID are aiming(ha) to make an even faster paced game than Wolfenstein . ADS.just slows things down.
BoosterDuck
Banned
This IS Doom remastered.
Except this time id dev'd for consoles as well and it dumbed down the gameplay.
Diferentigual
Banned
I don't think so. I play all FPS games with ADS and sensitivity turned up. I've seen plenty of footage and while fast paced, it seems very manageable with ADS. It's just a preference thing. And I'm a big DOOM fan, as it was my first game. I just enjoy ADS.
dumbed down how? lol
Bloodporne
Member
The ADS option in Brutal Doom is actually quite fun but it's mainly due to the insane body damage feedback. If I had to choose though between yes or no, I'd go with no for sure.
Then again, I think it can be argued that they've thrown so much modern shit in there anyway, does it really matter if ADS is in or not?
Then again, I think it can be argued that they've thrown so much modern shit in there anyway, does it really matter if ADS is in or not?
Spiral Insanity
Banned
The negativity is getting out of hand!
I can't believe what I'm reading.
MetalFreak
Member
Wolfenstein The New Order and Old Blood.
I guess if you really wanted an ADS effect, you could bind a macro to a key to lower your FOV in the console and change your mouse DPI, then another to put it back to normal?
Simo
Member
Because of the controllers duh!! lol
Honestly reviews on day 1 won't matter. If you're that on the fence about a game that you need someone else to tell you whether to buy it or not then I'm sure the OT will have enough impressions to make up your mind. There's already a couple of members here who have the game and posted their impressions so far in the "Launch Trailer" thread.
Game designers should absolutely force gamers to enjoy their vision for their game. They should NOT change their vision to make a game more accessible or cater to every crowd. That's what makes games start to suck when they try to please everyone. Let game developers have their vision and just avoid games that don't have features you like. Don't try to force game designers to shape every single game to your tastes.
MilkyJoe
Member
Me!!! **waves**
TheSpoiler
Member
The only thing I need reviews for is to confirm length and number of things to keep me coming back. Otherwise, subjectivity usually has no real impact on my decision unless it's horribly broken.
MiguelItUp
Member
Honestly I think it has less to do with that and just the fact that it has modern day game mechanics and influences. It's apparent that some DOOM purists can't accept new things. It's a AAA game based on a series that started 24 years ago, not expecting changes is pretty absurd to me IMO. Not to mention it was always addressed as a reboot, it was never listed as an updated carbon copy / remaster of the original.
ADS in Doom is a bad idea, primarily because it's been very clearly designed to be fast-paced arena combat where being able to take in the periphery is key to knowing what is attacking you, from where, and where you should go next.
I don't think ADS is a bad thing. But in a game centered around fast movement, what it would probably do is 1) lure you into a false sense of security because you'll likely think you do more damage when ADS, and 2) obscure the periphery enough that you are unable to react effectively to encroaching enemies. I think it would make it harder, not easier, to play.
That said, I wouldn't care if it was there, and who knows maybe they prototyped it and thought it didn't work because of button layout (guns with more than 1 firing mode limit options in terms of where that ADS button goes). But I do think there's a good case to make against ADS here -- my recommendation would be to try and get used to it. Some of this stuff is really just in your head, since it wouldn't provide a mechanical benefit as it would be implemented here (your aim won't get better, you won't see more, you won't do more damage).
I don't think ADS is a bad thing. But in a game centered around fast movement, what it would probably do is 1) lure you into a false sense of security because you'll likely think you do more damage when ADS, and 2) obscure the periphery enough that you are unable to react effectively to encroaching enemies. I think it would make it harder, not easier, to play.
That said, I wouldn't care if it was there, and who knows maybe they prototyped it and thought it didn't work because of button layout (guns with more than 1 firing mode limit options in terms of where that ADS button goes). But I do think there's a good case to make against ADS here -- my recommendation would be to try and get used to it. Some of this stuff is really just in your head, since it wouldn't provide a mechanical benefit as it would be implemented here (your aim won't get better, you won't see more, you won't do more damage).
Diferentigual
Banned
Yep, FPS games have evolved a ton. And while the style of game is fast paced and hectic, TNO got pretty crazy as well. If I wanted to play some old shit, I'd play some old shit. I want the old shit made with all the good from back then and all the good of today's games. TNO was great because it brought the franchise to modern times.
Diferentigual
Banned
I may rent it to see how I like it and if I can get used to it. Maybe eventually I'll get it for the laptop.
MiguelItUp
Member
Exactly, I agree. Wolf 3D was my first FPS experience when I was younger, and I can't imagine a new Wolfenstein being better than TNO. TNO did an outstanding job of bringing Wolfenstein to modern times, not to mention having little throwbacks to the original. I can see myself feeling the same way about DOOM, I already do from what I've seen. It's a new experience, but familiar in various ways.
Jakartalado
Member
Thank you!
Sorry for taking so long.
I would say most intense combat happens inside the arenas. But there are a lot of enemies scattered between levels in late game. At the beginning not so much.
Commanche Raisin Toast
Member
i'm still confused about when this game even launches.
is it this friday? (which is weird for not being a tuesday or thursday) or does it launch next tuesday?
the amazon page says May 13 (friday) but my order says it releases May 17.
is it this friday? (which is weird for not being a tuesday or thursday) or does it launch next tuesday?
the amazon page says May 13 (friday) but my order says it releases May 17.
Snkfanatic
Banned
This is some console wars level of posting here.
So tell me, how did developing a game for consoles as well make the gameplay dumbed down?
You should really consider putting those behind spoiler tags or something
It comes out Friday
Glass Shark
Banned
More game developers should be stubborn and make something that fits a particular vision rather than trying to be an indistinguishable soup of focus-tested nonsense.
I don't know if DOOM is going to be any good, but I respect a lot of the choices they're making in this regard.
Bloodporne
Member
I'm not being sarcastic or snarky, but actually curious. Do you guys not care much about level design when playing these types of games? Do people maybe generally not care that much about that aspect in FPS? I always took that as a fundamental element to my enjoyment and it was a big reason I thought Wolf TNO's 'old school' mantra was overblown massively. A lot of it plays out in extremely linear ways or arenas which to me is the antithesis of 'old school FPS'.
The perfect Dark
Banned
Is there any singleplayer footage besides the one hour stream?
Grim Patron
Member
Just beat E1M1 of Doom
So far really loving it. Also MICK GORDON MENU MUSIC.
and unlocked a trophy
So far really loving it. Also MICK GORDON MENU MUSIC.
Jakartalado
Member
I can assure you, none of the above images are spoiler =)
These are regular locations (most of them from the level Bethesda showed during Gamespot streaming).
EDIT: Maybe the
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