Compsiox
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Dude...developers in gaming and any graphical field. Your logic is dead.
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Polygon: Xbox Scorpio will be a ~6 TFLOP system (v PS4K's 4.14), unveil soon, Fall 17
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Dude...developers in gaming and any graphical field. Your logic is dead.
Of course, there's no way to know for sure what would happen, we can only speculate.
I believe my theory makes sense based on what I saw. PS4 more powerful was a big deal on hardcore players minds.
Competition is a great thing. Sony schooled them and they're winning now, but they have become complacent in their dominance. I'm not a warrior for either side; I simply want the best machines with the best games we can get. Nothing wrong with that
Once again, this is not competition. Do we really need to trot out those quotes again? Parity is not competition.
TheStruggler
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then they would be sending out the neo to die and take a huge hit if they announce a ps5 a year later, they would keep fucking with the customers. There is no point for a Neo is ps5 is announced a year after. However if Scorpio is really powerful and plays out well they may not have the next xbox for a few years
DeepEnigma
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Competition is a great thing. Sony schooled them and they're winning now, but they have become complacent in their dominance. I'm not a warrior for either side; I simply want the best machines with the best games we can get. Nothing wrong with that
Explain to me this... 'complacent'.
AcademicSaucer
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parity?
shotgunbob04
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I can't wait to see the size of the power brick on Scorpio.
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It's probably gonna be a Zen CPU and Polaris GPU on one APU.
"inb4" after 1,900 posts?
I wouldn't mind an external power brick for consoles, if that means they got thermal room to push speeds higher.
Lmao
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Hahahaha
I'm interested in how Sony will react to this. Playstation has the most to lose from all this- and if Scorpio is that much of a threat, they'd be wise to reconsider how Neo fits into the broader conversation of the console market. Perception is everything, and Sony has been intelligent on all fronts. They have their own developers so if they see a performance delta that yields a massive difference in performance, perhaps they'd be better off just scrapping Neo and creating a Vega Based AMD machine like MS.
One thing is for sure, whoever leaked this information just gave Sony a ton of access to their number 1 competitor in the console space.
One thing is for sure, whoever leaked this information just gave Sony a ton of access to their number 1 competitor in the console space.
clem84
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jhmtehgamr20xx
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Let's keep it 10x10 here; that is such a small part of the argument that it really doesn't matter. A system needs a lot more than just power to sell; it needs the games, the marketing, the brand power etc.
All of those matter WAY more than hardware power. History has proven this to be true. Of course, hardware power and good games aren't mutually exclusive, as the PS4 shows. But if PS4 didn't have any of its exclusives and missed out badly on a few key multiplats, the sales would be MUCH different in NA and the UK right now.
Primethius
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:Lol
wonderful103
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That's... Not how this works. All 3 companies have laid out the same plan in the market going forward. Generations are dead, and they've been dead since the current crop of consoles have released. This isn't like a school yard fight where people react to eachother's stones. They already know which stones are littering the playground beforehand
Primethius
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Pretty sure MS's XB1 reveal had more of an impact on the US/UK success then the power aspect.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
How does Playstation have most to lose?
They are the market leader, with the global mindshare. MSFT has most to lose and prove with convincing current X1 mindshare, as well as new mindshare they are not dumping the X1 like a yesterday's news, etc.. Especially if this power gap is true over their current box.
If I'm looking for a Xbox in 2016 I'm looking at spending somewhere around $250 if not $199 around holiday time. I don't think that same customer is itching to spend $500-$600 on a new platform a year from now. XB1 this fall will be a slim 2TB machine with the ability to play XB1/XB360 games, tons of entertainment Apps, not to mention the update to windows 10 all for around $200+. Thats 64GB Apple TV, Nvidia Shield price range. I think there is a market for it.
CrispyBoar
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Exactly. And if anything, the Neo is most likely only targeting those like myself that doesn't have a PS4 as of yet, or are most likely grabbing one because of either VR &/or 4K TV's (which the majority of the world doesn't own a 4K TV).
Microsoft thinking "We should bump up graphics more so than the Neo & have the thing as a brand new console!" or something of the sort won't help them out any. It's wishful thinking at best.
People are just getting into this gen (especially in countries such as Japan) & they're not going to want to shell out more money on another expensive home gaming console just because the other might have "more power;" They'll most likely save their money towards newer Android phablets/iPhones/tablets while keeping their PS4's/Xbox One's.
GameAddict411
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There are a lot of aspects in this rumor that don't make sense. Unlike the PS4, the XO architecture isn't very scalable. The memory setup is relatively complex and the next console has to have the same design to maintain backward and forward compatibility. A 6 TFLOPS SOC would be bottlenecked by a DDR3/4 + eSRAM(or whatever small but very fast memory they use). So this is a limitation. Second is efficiency. We will be stuck with current processing nodes for a while and it's not going to be easy to cool down that sort of SOC and with similar power draw. Third of all is cost! It's not going to be cheap to make chips that powerful even a year from now.
Ghost Slayer
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Or because it was the cheapest one, not having bad first impressions like DRM, 24 hour internet connection requirement.
There's too much at stake for PlayStation to not react to this. Just because generations are dead doesn't necesarrily mean they can allow a competitior to have a significantly more powerful (4.2 vs 6 TF essentially a 30% power difference) to pass them by. There are bigger chess peices at play.
One thing is for certain is that Sony has developers both internally and externally that can give them feedback on how much of a hit they'll take in the performance game with Neo versus Scorpio. Neither company is asleep at the wheel.
In my opinion the biggest fear for PlayStation is having a newly spun narrative that Scorpio runs games at a much better fidelity than Neo- and have it run for >2 years before PS5. It's not about just being market leader, it's about mantaining that momentum, and you run the risk of losing users if the next Xbox suddenly trumps the PlayStation in power and launches in a simliar price point. But like I said earlier, Sony probably has engineers, programmers, and developers on tap to help re-evaluate the situation. A 30% different might not mean very much or it could mean a lot, Scorpio launching in 2017 could reinforce PlayStation's original plans for Neo in 2016 or it could change their vision of what the PS4K is.
You don't make dedicated press conferences for developers. Nvidia puts on a show to say how awesome the GPU is gaming to sell them to consumers. The Titan X is not an anomaly that just came out of nowhere.
I'm the customer you're describing. If the slim is cheap, I'll pounce on one in a heartbeat and catch up on some games I missed.
DeepEnigma
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And the Sony brand is more popular worldwide as well (people always forget this). That 360 year head start did not take long to shrink, regardless of the PS3 launch fuck up.
Honestly I'd find it hard to believe that Sony wasn't expecting this/didn't already know. I don't think they'll rush a reaction to this, since they know that they can get the NEO's moving with the right marketing deals attached to it, and if they price the OG PS4 well, that'll keep selling as it is now. PS5, or whatever they plan to call it, will probably surface late 2018 or early 2019.
wapplew
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Because burning 40m customers is worst than burning 20m customers?
MS have nothing to lose, console become more and more like PC is a win for them.
Primethius
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I'm not sure what's at stake here. Neo comes out first. By the time Scorpio comes out, the next iteration will be in development.
Given that we are moving towards an iterarive model and Sony is coming out first, wouldn't MS be the one worrying?
If Neo launches in 2016, I hiiiiiiiiiighly doubt they'll produce another console in late 2018. At the earliest you should expect something in late 2019. Moreover, Sony/MS are beholden to AMD's roadmaps so these iterative console jumps might have to have some level of flexibility in timelines.
Agnostic Priest
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Nextbox with native oculus support, imagine all the Facebook adds! That would be a pretty big way to get casuals to buy wouldn't it?
HighResTomato
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Tell us how you really feel.
wonderful103
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There are no more generations. And that goes for all 3 current manufacturers
Power means almost nothing to the market at large. It matters to people that post on neogaf and the harder core.
They can release new boxes every year if they wanted to. They probably wont, but they can. "This is the 2018 model of PlayStation"
lol, how do you feel about the Neo?
Silphonica
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BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
It took a whole lot for Sony to equal out. It didnt all just worked out the way it did because of the strong "brand".
1). RROD fuck up definitely helped Sony
2). Free PSN while MS was making $60 per subscription
3). Took bigger hit per device (Bluray, wifi)
4). Pumped out best AAA first party games in last 5 years
jhmtehgamr20xx
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Uhm...like I've been saying for ages now, power isn't the only factor here. People keep trumpeting that power is THE reason PS4 is outselling XBO, and that isn't true. PS4 is outselling it because it has the games people want to play, both 3rd party and exclusive. It has the online people want, and it's where their friends are. Marketing is also a big factor. It's not like Sony is used to having the most powerful system each hardware gen either, in fact this is the only one where they clearly have had that advantage. Every other gen they've had to rely on things other than power to pull people in, you think they're gonna forget all of that over the span of 3 years?
Whether Scorpio is more powerful than Neo really doesn't matter except for a sliver of tech-obsessed fanboys/fangirls. We're already at a point of diminishing returns in visual fidelity and an extra teraflop or two of raw processing power isn't going to make the difference between the two systems like SD to HD, not at the slightest. Things like artstyle are going to play a much bigger role and if Uncharted, R&C and Dreams are indicators, Sony has some of the best artists in the industry.
What Scorpio really needs is a software reason to make people take notice. XBO hasn't really flourished with a lot of in-house 1st party content, and MS has been notorious for using the same tentpole franchises over and over (like Nintendo, but without the nostalgia on their side).
They need to come strong on the software front w/ Scorpio and need to manage the PC versions of those releases very carefully; even if Scorpio ends up being more capable than any PC on the market at the time of its release that'll quickly cease to be the case and if all of Scorpio's exclusives are on PC that's a loss of a major incentive to get the platform for a decent chunk of people, particularly the early adopters.
November 2013 to Fall 2017 = 3 years?
We're moving into the iterative phase, so it's really hard to determine how fast they'll keep releasing upgrades until they actually start doing it. We don't know if they'll even opt for a "PS5". NEO could be the first of many PS4 upgrades to come, and releasing hardware upgrades every two to three years isn't something that we should draw out. I honestly hope they don't do that, but we'll see.
DeepEnigma
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Where did I say it was solely brand? Worldwide brand awareness still helped amongst those things to keep them relevant, is all I am saying. And it surely is a part of the factor, along with other things, as to the PS4's dominance as well.
If it is the same disc, there is no 'alienation'.
Orniletter
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I genuinely don't care about hardware power.
The weakest systems of this generation offered me the best experiences by far and I'm probably going PC next time around anyway (+ Nintendo).
But I really hope MS is able to kick some sense into Sony. They coasted by on "we are the most powerful console", cynical pro-gamer PR and awful third party "collaborations" right out of MS' very own playbook for far too long.
The weakest systems of this generation offered me the best experiences by far and I'm probably going PC next time around anyway (+ Nintendo).
But I really hope MS is able to kick some sense into Sony. They coasted by on "we are the most powerful console", cynical pro-gamer PR and awful third party "collaborations" right out of MS' very own playbook for far too long.
I agree software is the most important part, but I also think third party titles and visual fidelity matters to a segment of the market. The more pressing matter for Sony is to do whatever it can to get within a ballpark of Scorpio where it can get ports at a competent fidelity level where most owners won't pine for the need to switch brands.
CrispyBoar
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Exactly what I & many others have been saying.
People thinking that MS bringing out "Scorpio" & thinking that they'll win because of having "more power" aren't living in reality.