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Hayley Atwell disaproves of Captain America's "kiss" in Civil War

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InsanerBrainer

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IMO, the scene after the funeral where Steve is alone in the church should have had Sharon talking to him instead of Black Widow. That would've added a little more buildup to their kiss but I'm still fine with how it turned out. It's worth it just for the Sam/Bucky moment.
 
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Volimar

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Messofanego

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The kiss was stupid. A lot of the drama in Civil War is stupid (Sokovia Accords felt more forced and underdeveloped than the one in the comic). I'm glad the action scenes and Black Panther were so great so it makes you forget the flaws, cause a lot of the film doesn't stand up to the light of day.
 
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Sho_Nuff82

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Messofanego said:
The kiss was stupid. A lot of the drama in Civil War is stupid (Sokovia Accords felt more forced and underdeveloped than the one in the comic). I'm glad the action scenes and Black Panther were so great so it makes you forget the flaws, cause a lot of the film doesn't stand up to the light of day.
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A Mark Millar fan huh?

That gif is super creepy.
 
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Toxi

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Sheroking said:
Cap and Sharon have "sparks" in Winter Soldier, which took place a couple years before Civil War. When they actually do kiss, Cap is like "sorry that took so long", because those two have known each other and danced around those feelings for a while.

We didn't really see that develop on screen, sure, but we didn't see Natasha/Banner develop on screen either.
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When we're talking about movies, this is generally not good writing.
 
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Nerokis

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Where are these "it's a classic 'not-gay!' moment" reactions coming from? We already had very good reason to think Steve wasn't gay. In fact, we had good reason to think something would develop between him and Sharon. Putting aside that their relationship could have been better developed, what was so jarring about seeing those things reaffirmed with a kiss?

Is this just a fandom thing, or am I missing a bigger issue here?
 
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Sho_Nuff82

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Nerokis said:
Where are these "it's a classic 'not-gay!' moment" reactions coming from? We already had very good reason to think Steve wasn't gay. In fact, we had good reason to think something would develop between him and Sharon. Putting aside that their relationship could have been better developed, what was so jarring about seeing those things reaffirmed with a kiss?

Is this just a fandom thing, or am I missing a bigger issue here?
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It's a fandom thing. Embarrassing shipping (straight or gay), fan fiction, and fan art surround all things popular now. In the cases of Arrow and Supernatural you can see the fandom actively harming the product with their love/hate of fictional relationships.
 
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Saucycarpdog

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Sho_Nuff82 said:
It's a fandom thing. Embarrassing shipping (straight or gay), fan fiction, and fan art surround all things popular now. In the cases of Arrow and Supernatural you can see the fandom actively harming the product with their love/hate of fictional relationships.
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Agreed. It's irritating that there were quite a few CapxBucky fans out there that got mad at the MCU creators cause Civil War didn't have their preferred shipping.

Some fandoms really need to stop acting like the creators of these shows and movies are obligated to fulfill their fanfiction.
 
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Replicant

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Yeah, I didn't buy that kiss either. Feels like it came out of nowhere. Definitely felt like it was done to distract the fact that Cap was very Bucky-focused in this film. God forbid the suggestion that a guy may love his friend so much to an extent that he'll go to the end of the Earth for another guy. Whether the feeling is platonic or romantic, it doesn't matter. Just let it unfold on screen without the need to forcefully shoved the niece kissing.
 
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BLACKLAC

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Considering this is the 3rd film in a trilogy and they didn't profess their love for each other I don't see what the problem is with the kiss or how it "came out of nowhere". Seemed natural and built up well enough.

DeathyBoy said:
She was asked at a panel.

I doubt she genuinely gives a shit either way, she's just keeping Peggy's name out there and inciting fan campaigns in the hope that they'll convince Marvel to do more with the character.
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Also this. Which should be obvious.

Messofanego said:
cause a lot of the film doesn't stand up to the light of day.
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Lets take it to the spoiler thread. I can go a few rounds.
 
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DeathyBoy

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She was asked at a panel.

I doubt she genuinely gives a shit either way, she's just keeping Peggy's name out there and inciting fan campaigns in the hope that they'll convince Marvel to do more with the character.
 
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G-Fex

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Replicant said:
Yeah, I didn't buy that kiss either. Feels like it came out of nowhere. Definitely felt like it was done to distract the fact that Cap was very Bucky-focused in this film. God forbid the suggestion that a guy may love his friend so much to an extent that he'll go to the end of the Earth for another guy. Whether the feeling is platonic or romantic, it doesn't matter. Just let it unfold on screen without the need to forcefully shoved the niece kissing.
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still not as forced as casey/april in tmnt1
 
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Sheroking

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Toxi said:
When we're talking about movies, this is generally not good writing.
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Eh... not really, in this case.

We saw him meet and flirt with Sharon (after being pushed by Widow to get back into the dating game) in Winter Soldier. We saw them connect and eventually kiss for the first time Civil War. We didn't really need a bunch of glue scenes to bring that together. It's not like they were trying to sell us on some big love story, that was a furtive first step for them.
 
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Genryu

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It is kind of weird that Steve would just kiss someone he'd been flirting with for years moments before he might not ever see her again because of what he's going to be doing in the next 30 minutes.
 
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Volimar

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Genryu said:
It is kind of weird that Steve would just kiss someone he'd been flirting with for years moments before he might not ever see her again because of what he's going to be doing in the next 30 minutes.
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Stressful situation, they might never see each other again, she stuck her neck out for him, he'd been playing it slow but has run out of time to make a move, etc.
 
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Ri'Orius

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I'm honestly a huge fan of how the MCU implies and hints at what's been going on between films, and the kiss falls under that umbrella. Romance isn't the focus of these movies, so having just the occasional update on Pepper or the Carters to show where they stand now is all they have time for and it's all they need. Totally works for me.
 
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Baldwin_the_First

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I wouldn’t want to date my great aunt’s guy. It just feels like it crosses an incestuous boundary.
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This doesn't make sense. Not only were they never a couple but they never even slept with each other. She got married and lived a full life and she still got dibs on the guy when it comes to him and her niece? Bitch please. -_-
 
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Wazzy

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Yeah Steve and Sharon are so awful in the MCU. Evans and Atwell have too much chemistry and I really think they need to find a way to bring Peggy back.

I also think the kiss was weird and out of place but was thankfully saved by the two reactions after.
 
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whatsinaname

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Tbh, I did find it a little weird too. There might have been some previous attraction but they only kissed after Peggy's funeral after Steve found out she was his ex's neice.
 
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Cimarron

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Oh please. This is much ado about nothing. The man was frozen in ice for literally a lifetime! And she wasn't even her descendant. I'm not really into dating relatives of former flings but I don't see anything wrong with it. People will find something to complain about in everything these days.
 
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Triggerhappytel

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PSqueak said:
This would be about a thousand times more interesting and better recieved than hydra cap.

But yeah, the scene was forced, awkward, uncharacteristic of steve and overall unpleasant, only saved by falcon and bucky giving him the nod.

This would also made more sense than steve being okay with kissing his former girlfriend's grand daughter.

It's easier to shallow that he would come out as gay for a person he had loved since he was a child than instantly going for a younger version of his literally just deceased girlfriend.
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Steve and Peggy were not in a relationship. They flirted a lot and kissed once. And Peggy married someone else. And she had passed away. Steve wasn't beholden to a dead woman.
 
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Byakuya769

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Cap has been off ice for what? 4 years? I don't get the problem with moving on. Even if with some tangentially related person to that one person he almost danced with...
 
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Ahasverus

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I think it's all about chemistry. Cap and Peggy's chemistry was off the charts. Cap and the new forgettable girl's is unexistant.
 
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Ganzlinger

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You might complain about the pace of Steve and Sharon's relationship. The moment of the kiss, etc.

But saying that their relationship is incest, weird or disrespectful to Peggy is nonsense. Steve and Peggy only flirt, like 75 years ago. Peggy moved on, married. Sharon is not her daughter or granddaughter. Besides, Steve and Sharon is canon in the comics.

Hayley seems just jealous.
 
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Figboy79

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I know I wouldn't be able to move on from Hayley Atwell. I mean, Emily VanCamp is beautiful, but Atwell is like a 1950's pinup model come to life, and she's a badass super spy.

I didn't have a problem with the kiss other than it's kind of weird that she's related to his former and dead love interest. I agree that Sharon didn't have nearly enough screen time in Winter Soldier or Civil War, but the point of the scene wasn't really that Sharon and Steve were suddenly in love, but that there was an attraction there and their timing was off. The kiss for me was them finally acknowledging their attraction, but knowing that it wasn't going to happen, at least at this moment.

If we had ever gotten a fourth Cap film, I'd imagine Sharon would play a bigger role, and ideally be better developed. So far, Cap and Peggy are the best romance we've had in the MCU, especially in terms of emotional impact and actor/actress chemistry.

Also, that picture in the OP is hilarious. My favorite part is Evans seemingly pushing Bucky deeper into the kiss with Cap.
 
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platocplx

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It felt weird just cuz in this same movie she dies,then they kiss it was kinda like what the heck. But I guess the build up was there due to the events in winter soldier.
 
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tkscz

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I just feel that, you know—I wouldn’t want to date my great aunt’s guy. It just feels like it crosses an incestuous boundary. And Peggy just died. That’s even more disrespectful, right? It’s like, “don’t touch that.” You can’t tap that!
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Essentially this. Like come on, don't try to bang your great aunt's boyfriend RIGHT after she died.
 
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RS4-

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InsanerBrainer said:
IMO, the scene after the funeral where Steve is alone in the church should have had Sharon talking to him instead of Black Widow. That would've added a little more buildup to their kiss but I'm still fine with how it turned out. It's worth it just for the Sam/Bucky moment.
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I think either would've worked. Before BW showed up, I just expected Sharon to have a conversation with Steve. But like you, I'm fine with how it worked.
 
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