theepicoftyler
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The best universities in the world
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No, this list just feels insanely and obviously biaised towards the US schools
Also my school is sitting just outside the top 100... good enough
My Alma mater is at 59 and I didn't pay a dime.
Go Gators!
Florida is amazing for in-state tuition. I have a solid chance of getting a full ride when I apply to schools next year. One of the few reasons I sometimes love Florida.
164, not half bad. Hopefully I can increase that by over a hundred fold when I apply for UF!
Yeah and a student debt for life. Unless you get a job at Google or become a CEO at Goldman Sachs.
It's a bit weird, however if you compare this study to similar university ranking studies, it seems to be replacing the "prestige" metric that appears in most of them. I'm happy to see prestige get dumped, since it was self-reinforcing and did not reflect any sort of objective output of the universities.
I'd like to see something with more granularity than just the CEO level, but I think going with employment over prestige is a good choice.
#272 reporting in.
For those concerned about bias - It's not an easy thing to assess the quality of a University so obviously different lists will have different methods of doing so. Most of the results are fairly similar, however.
For those discussing student loans - yes, I agree that those are an issue in the US and there are many countries with a better approach to student loans. Australia, for example, ties the rate of repayment to the income earned after graduation so that the "risk" is spread across society.
With that said, the overwhelming number of people clearly benefit from going to college. Employment rates increase, time between jobs decreases, and pay rises quite clearly from HS to Associate, from Associate to Bachelor, and from Bachelor to Master.
For those concerned about bias - It's not an easy thing to assess the quality of a University so obviously different lists will have different methods of doing so. Most of the results are fairly similar, however.
For those discussing student loans - yes, I agree that those are an issue in the US and there are many countries with a better approach to student loans. Australia, for example, ties the rate of repayment to the income earned after graduation so that the "risk" is spread across society.
With that said, the overwhelming number of people clearly benefit from going to college. Employment rates increase, time between jobs decreases, and pay rises quite clearly from HS to Associate, from Associate to Bachelor, and from Bachelor to Master.
Croatoan
They/Them A-10 Warthog
LOL, sip troll.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
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Yeah I hate to be a dick but I wonder how often and where USA ranks are with a less biased selection criteria (alumni and patents).
Looking at Australia though I'm impressed our less than 25Mil population pushed 3 in the top 100. No wonder so many get sent over here to go through our education system.
Rocked #670 myself, many moons ago.
Admiral Woofington
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Yes because bullshit aside it still provides a fantastic education. Hence why if you're like me and go for the education it's pretty good.
Shake Appeal
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The university I work at is in the Top 100 in the U.S. (Top 250 overall), and my alma mater is #175 in the world.
Also, as someone with some inside baseball knowledge about university rankings, don't trust any of them.
Also, as someone with some inside baseball knowledge about university rankings, don't trust any of them.
Hasphat'sAnts
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Yeah, okay.
Yeah. Poorly thought out metric after all.
How hard would it be to compare median starting/median mid career earnings adjusted for cost of living? You can add the CEO metric as a modifier if you want to, but to have that as the sole metric is pretty flimsy.
SporeCrawler
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OMG we are alumni!
Funyarinpa
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Lmao not a single Turkish university in the top 500
Their metric for employability is based on the Forbe's 2000 list. The US clearly dominates this list since it is the richest country in the world. I don't think you can just brush aside this. It is fairly clear just looking through the list that it is overwhelmingly US centric. In fact, of the methodology, the only metrics which I think is a genuine measure of the universities output are the measures of citation, impact and patents, which forms an astonishingly low 15% of the total score.
Stumpokapow
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There are some weird things on the list (the high ranking of UCSF, which is an extremely good medical school and not much else; Cambridge above Oxford; the extremely low ranking of National University of Singapore; Cornell ranked a little too high; Duke a little low, Sciences Pol not being one of the French schools represented, etc.) that I think are a product of the rankings incentivizing CEOs and Engineers who patent over other things, but generally this list is somewhat consistent with other lists.
I think this kind of thing also makes people super defensive about the school they're at, as evidenced from the sour grapes in the thread. Hahaha.
I think this kind of thing also makes people super defensive about the school they're at, as evidenced from the sour grapes in the thread. Hahaha.
pizzaparty
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I went to Cal for undergrad and my tuition and housing was covered by grants and scholarships. I graduated without any debt.
Yeah, okay.
Lol. A weird metric for sure. Coincidentally the one metric my university measures pretty poorly in (#113).
But then again, these lists are pretty much only meant for international dick-swingin'. Over here they don't really give a shit what university you graduated from because they are all up to a pretty high standard anyway.
Im sure these are nice universities but it's fairly obvious that the metrics are largely garbage.
Primary reasons to go to these is to suck up to rich people, land great research funding or gather prestige by graduating from a seemingly good university(even though no employer actually knows if the curriculum is actually better than the more modest schools).
Primary reasons to go to these is to suck up to rich people, land great research funding or gather prestige by graduating from a seemingly good university(even though no employer actually knows if the curriculum is actually better than the more modest schools).
Rankings in general are problematic (or rather misleading/limited) for the comparison and/or analysis of a university. German list CHE (for German universities) e.g. does not rank universities, but provides a detailed evaluation of the various faculties and assings them to appropriate groups. International rankings have further problems, e.g. the various (wildly different) academic systems.
Vanillalite
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All of these college rankings have somewhat dubious methods.
That being said ranking shit like this isn't easy.
Gator Bait
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Haha FSU at 256
Fourth Storm
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43. I'll take it.
masterwayne
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#89 represent. Graduated yesterday!
Kill Your Masters
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#186
Won't complain since the education is for free.
Won't complain since the education is for free.
ZeroCypher
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Made the top 32
hook'em horns
Exactly.
shadowsdarknes
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What about the South Harmon Institute of Technology?
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