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He's willing to do (and has done) an interview where he thinks in front of the camera.In what ways does Biden pass this purity test?
He's willing to do (and has done) an interview where he thinks in front of the camera.In what ways does Biden pass this purity test?
I'm tired of the supporters dismissing the various issues such as her view as of not that long ago on gay marriage, her ties to Kissinger and the reluctance to denounce him, her absurd demands for speeches, including prices charged, where she's talked, the food, drink, and water she asked for. How unavailable she is to anybody not in the elite, super predators and bringing them to heel, blaming the right wingers for a major "right wing conspiracy" attacking her husband's integrity when he couldn't keep it in his pants. The seemingly limitless cost of her wardrobe, etc
You can explain it away how you want, it makes plenty sense to the average person. I'm not a fan of politicians period. Please please please, do NOT tell me how Trump is worse. I know that he's garbage
Hilary is not my favorite but she's all I have to stop the apocalypse
I'm so fucking tired of Hillary Clinton being called a liar. She's up against Trump and she is labelled as "the liar"? That's ridiculous.
The OP is literally about a report conducted on behalf of the Democratic party finding some evidence that black participation might decrease. Like, what? Are we even in the same thread?
He's willing to do (and has done) an interview where he thinks in front of the camera.
Ignoring how silly that test of yours is, have you actually looked up Hillary Clinton interviews to see whether or not this was true?
They most certainly do not pass a purity test. It's really not that hard to find evidence for it. I hope I am not giving you more credit then I should? This is a representative democracy, you should come to terms with that.Not when the question is one of judgement, which IMO is one of the most important questions for the Presidency.
Policy positions are political calculations made over months or years by hundreds of people. Presidents don't have the luxury of having someone else feed them the magical opinion to have.
re: that "purity" test: in my opinion, Biden, Sanders, and Warren all pass it. So...?
re: 3rd party candidates, the Greens and Libertarians are jokes. Sadly.
Why the fuck do you care about her wardrobe? None of that shit except the Kissinger thing matters. Ok seriously you could've mentioned the crime bills or her flip-flopping on important shit like TPP or the Iraqi war or her ties with Robert Byrd but you're just pointing out shit that doesn't matter. Yeah ok you don't trust her for that great
Goddammit I'm just as much tired of people going "I HATE POLITICIANS THEY'RE SO CORRUPT" as you are with Hillary supporters. Yes we get it they're in the pockets of rich elites and are known to lie and feign for votes. Can you say something of substance please?
Both sides FACTUALLY aren't the same and it matters who wins. Trump is calling themselves the "Law and Order" candidate, wants more police in our neighborhoods and had no intention in calling for police reform, has disastrous immigration policies that have done nothing but inflame racial tensions, effectively wants to persecute if not ban a religious group, wants tax cuts that benefit the rich and white predominately, has no intention in fighting for voting rights, etc.
Clinton is literally the opposite on ALL those fronts and has a history of PERSONALLY fighting for minority causes. Trump on the other hand has PERSONALLY shit on minorities all the fucking time (housing discrimination, employment discrimination, Central Park 5, BRITHERISM, lies about Muslims, etc.) for which he never apologized and has never once fought for minorities as a means of repentance. The man literally started his campaign calling Mexican immigrants rapists. That's a thing that happened in reality!
If you want more serious replies to your posts, don't post nonsense.
They probably think press conferences = interviews and think she hasent done either.
No. You're not breaking down anything. You are purposefully being obtuse in an attempt to derail. This shit is by far one of the most petty shitposts I have ever seen. Holy fuck you're off the mark.
What the fuck are you talking about? I never talked about Blankers, I talked about media expousure equals higher chance of winning elections. Stop reading your own compartmentalized shitty bigotry into my posts. Also I find it hard to believe that Sanders was 5-10% less known than Clinton. It's especially hard to swallow given the staggering amount of ignorance regarding democratic socialism.
You sound like Glenn Beck. Ohh Warren that republican devil.
Your entire post is a complete failure of baseless attack, unfair reading and purposefully misunderstanding of my post because you got nothing of substance to add besides a stump speech. I argue and contain that the average voter (all over the western world) is biased towards the candidates with more exposure, and while there can be multitude of reasons why a person lose an election (Sanders not very well run campaign) that doesn't disprove the notion that Clintons name recognition had a massive play in it.
I am really curious if there is a lot to the body of work regarding how well known Sanders and his policies is among the democratic populace. I find it difficult to believe, because as Hillary democrats themselves say- Sanders was unqualified because he was not vetted or played into this role years in advance, but just stood up on a soapbox when nobody knew who he was. Obama was built up since his speech in 04, and Clinton has been prepped for this since she was a Senator.
I find it incredible difficult to believe, that Sanders had a name recognition that high, or that the American people understand what his brand of socialism is.
The wardrobe matters because of the cost. I couldn't stand when deval Patrick took the Cadillac and bought the drapes, I can't stand that she spends thousands and thousands on her wardrobe. Makes sense why her university discount is 350,000 dollars. I know plenty of the other politicians do stuff like that which is why I think they're Hippocrates.
...ok.
Fact: Hillary Clinton Is One of America's Most Honest Politicians. Trump is one of the biggest liars
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/8/1/1555457/-Fact-Hillary-Clinton-Is-One-of-America-s-Most-Honest-Politicians-Trump-is-one-of-the-biggest-liars
The truth (so far) behind the 2016 campaign
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/jun/29/fact-checking-2016-clinton-trump/
Hillary Clinton Is the Most Truthful Candidate in the 2016 Race
http://bluenationreview.com/hillary-clinton-most-truthful-candidate/
Probably not going to get left leaning economics if you start inviting tons of wealthy and hugely influential economically right leaning donors into the centre-left party either.
Also, could you not make these same arguments you're making for bringing economic rightists into the Democratic sway in favor of bringing social rightists in the Democratic sway? So are you in favor of bringing in social rightists as well? If not, why not?
Personally:
I'd like to hear an unscripted(!) interview where she discusses her thoughts on what America's military role in the world should be. The unscripted part is necessary, as is the content. I need the assurance that these aren't canned answers written by someone else.
Likewise, for what's caused the growing class gap over the past 35 years ("republicans" is not an acceptable answer), and what should be done about it.
Likewise, for why we should or shouldn't enact Bernie's proposal to end drug patents in favor of a reward based system. (implications for prescription drugs, and development of new antibiotics)
Likewise, for how wind and solar are supposed to meet energy demand.
Likewise, for how we're going to solve the policing problem in this country.
I wouldn't expect definitive answers for all of these things. But I would expect any presidential candidate that I'm comfortable voting for to be able to participate in an unscripted dialogue about these issues and make constructive proposals. This is a job interview.
If such an interview was done in the last 4 years, let me know! I'll go watch it!
So you're proud to vote for a racist who championed throwing young blacks, aka "super predators" behind bars for as long as possible to the profit of the privatized prisons? She only recently changed her position on that after being called out by Bernie supporters.This post contains no facts.
The name recognition issue wasn't the problem, his policies were. Obama is a once in a generation politician which is why he rose so fast. Bernie is not and never was.
His brand of socialism actually stops instantly at socialism--thr word itself is demonized. That line of attack along with his other skeletons wouldve sunk him in the general.
I suggest you do some more research, you're not actually working with all of the facts. It doesn't matter for Bernie, but you might discover that he and Hillary have more in common...except shes been in the game longer. Go look at her voting record vs headlines and what she's actually done vs what you've heard.
I'm excited and proud to vote for her. Most of the posts saying otherwise in the thread are based on feelings, not facts or voting record.
They're not though, cause Hillary was already supporting gay marriage two decades before she 'flip-flopped'.So her stone faced reply on gay marriage is of no substance?
yeah she owned up to the crime bills and admitted they were a mistake, that's the one thing you can knock her forSuper predators? Bring them to heel?
Hey I like buying flashy expensive shit too. You don't? It feels good walking around in a pair of new shoes brehThe wardrobe matters because of the cost. I couldn't stand when deval Patrick took the Cadillac and bought the drapes, I can't stand that she spends thousands and thousands on her wardrobe. Makes sense why her university discount is 350,000 dollars. I know plenty of the other politicians do stuff like that which is why I think they're Hippocrates.
So you're proud to vote for a racist who championed throwing young blacks, aka "super predators" behind bars for as long as possible to the profit of the privatized prisons? She only recently changed her position on that after being called out by Bernie supporters.
Don't forget all the dog whistles during the 08' primaries either!
So you're proud to vote for a racist who championed throwing young blacks, aka "super predators" behind bars for as long as possible to the profit of the privatized prisons? She only recently changed her position on that after being called out by Bernie supporters.
Don't forget all the dog whistles during the 08' primaries either!
So you're proud to vote for a racist who championed throwing young blacks, aka "super predators" behind bars for as long as possible to the profit of the privatized prisons? She only recently changed her position on that after being called out by Bernie supporters.
Don't forget all the dog whistles during the 08' primaries either!
So you're proud to vote for a racist who championed throwing young blacks, aka "super predators" behind bars for as long as possible to the profit of the privatized prisons? She only recently changed her position on that after being called out by Bernie supporters.
Don't forget all the dog whistles during the 08' primaries either!
Bernie Sanders voted for that crime bill and never addressed the disproportionate amount of blacks thrown in jail in his state. Saying Bernie called her out on anything while he had a direct impact on the negative impact of black lives over the last 20 years is some bullshit of the highest order.So you're proud to vote for a racist who championed throwing young blacks, aka "super predators" behind bars for as long as possible to the profit of the privatized prisons? She only recently changed her position on that after being called out by Bernie supporters.
Don't forget all the dog whistles during the 08' primaries either!
They're not though, cause Hillary was already supporting gay marriage two decades before she flip-flopped.
yeah she owned up to the crime bills and admitted they were a mistake
Hey I like buying flashy expensive shit too. You don't? It feels good walking around in a pair of new shoes breh
So you're proud to vote for a racist who championed throwing young blacks, aka "super predators" behind bars for as long as possible to the profit of the privatized prisons? She only recently changed her position on that after being called out by Bernie supporters.
Don't forget all the dog whistles during the 08' primaries either!
Or more like, what she said doesn't matter in the grand scheme of it all, considering what she actually had done for the LGBT community? Why does this matter to you so much? It's actually kinda insulting.She still said it, but according to supporters what she said.. wasn't true? So you mean she said that in order to get votes?
This has been explained a hundred times since the primary started, but putting that aside, why do you think a hypothetical poll that pits a nationally known candidate (Drumpf) against a nationally unknown candidate (Bernie) at all seems like an accurate match up?
I'm pretty sure it's not Dems who killed immigration reform in the House or who have blocked Obama's executive orders on it.
Obama granted dreamers work permits and social security numbers
Drumpf plans on killing that executive action as soon as he steps into office
But it's Dems who never deliver right?
Or more like, what she said doesn't matter in the grand scheme of it all, considering what she actually had done for the LGBT community? Why does this matter to you so much? It's actually kinda insulting.
Buying flashy stuff is nice sure... She has ALOT she should not be taking 350,000 and talking up the same people she lambastes and refuses to debunk it, so which side is she really on then? Again "they offered" is not good enough. She shouldve spun it as charity money. Dressing in flashy attire is not a good way to reach the average person.
I'll never be one of those idiots that harps on about 'Both parties are the same' but....when it comes to immigration, they were more or less in alignment until the Tea Party and Trump's merry band of fuckwits came along. And before the Democrats tried to push immigration reform, we had Dubya trying to pass along immigration reform. Both parties had more or less turned immigration reform into a game of denial, wanting to be THE party that passed immigration reform and some form of path to legal residence and stringing along Hispanics for the ride and for the votes. Granted, W Bush was way more pro-Hispanic than most of his colleagues at the time but progress is progress, and he undeniably attempted to push immigration reform. Obama and the Dems had control of the house early on during his first term but pushed immigration reform and legalization to the backburner despite it being his big pitch to Hispanics....and then the Dem's control slipped and it got turned into a political shitshow.
Bernie Sanders voted for that crime bill and never addressed the disproportionate amount of blacks thrown in jail in his state. Saying Bernie called her out on anything while he had a direct impact on the negative impact of black lives over the last 20 years is some bullshit of the highest order.
B-but intersectionality.
That's why black people chose Hillary!
Will Gaf accept that Bernie appealed most largely to the age group of black Americans that would actually care about intersectionality yet?
So you're proud to vote for a racist who championed throwing young blacks, aka "super predators" behind bars for as long as possible to the profit of the privatized prisons? She only recently changed her position on that after being called out by Bernie supporters.
Don't forget all the dog whistles during the 08' primaries either!
HillaryGAF will never accept being wrong. You don't trust Hillary? You are sexist or a privileged white individual. It's a lose-lose situation.
Get out of here with this mess!
That comment was made during the 1980-1990s when gun crime was at its peak
I'll never be one of those idiots that harps on about 'Both parties are the same' but....when it comes to immigration, they were more or less in alignment until the Tea Party and Trump's merry band of fuckwits came along. And before the Democrats tried to push immigration reform, we had Dubya trying to pass along immigration reform. Both parties had more or less turned immigration reform into a game of denial, wanting to be THE party that passed immigration reform and some form of path to legal residence and stringing along Hispanics for the ride and for the votes. Granted, W Bush was way more pro-Hispanic than most of his colleagues at the time but progress is progress, and he undeniably attempted to push immigration reform. Obama and the Dems had control of the house early on during his first term but pushed immigration reform and legalization to the backburner despite it being his big pitch to Hispanics....and then the Dem's control slipped and it got turned into a political shitshow.
Whoo boy, you must not have been paying attention during the last decade and a half if your counterpoint to critiquing the Dems on immigration is Donald effin Trump. See above.
the racists won though, they don't have to hide anymore
Democrats won too, the GOP is in shambles lol
Should've backed Bernie, ya dingleberries.
Who said this?HillaryGAF will never accept being wrong. You don't trust Hillary? You are sexist or a privileged white individual. It's a lose-lose situation.
Getting your news from memes is a horrible choice.Wait so youre saying it's ok that she called young blacks super predators?
Hillary has one of the most consistent records of any politician being discussed in this thread. This is factual. Your feelings about her are not applicable. From there we can conclude that you are either being disingenuous and holding Clinton to an impossibly high standard or that your issue isn't with Clinton specifically but the lack of 100% honesty in politics in general.This is what I mean, it's insulting that I don't believe what she says? It's not insulting to me when people don't like what I like. It bothers me because she said one thing and means something else in the case of not supporting gay marriage. She made the lines about super predators and bringing them to heel, which apparently she didn't mean or made a mistake... She took hundreds of thousands to speak to the crooks on wall Street, and depending on who you believe she had quite nice things to say... And yet she says the exact opposite and that she's going to stop their antics. And again the Kissinger stuff is cringeworthy.
HillaryGAF will never accept being wrong. You don't trust Hillary? You are sexist or a privileged white individual. It's a lose-lose situation.
Who said this?
This post contains no facts.
The name recognition issue wasn't the problem, his policies were. Obama is a once in a generation politician which is why he rose so fast. Bernie is not and never was.
His brand of socialism actually stops instantly at socialism--thr word itself is demonized. That line of attack along with his other skeletons wouldve sunk him in the general.
I suggest you do some more research, you're not actually working with all of the facts. It doesn't matter for Bernie, but you might discover that he and Hillary have more in common...except shes been in the game longer. Go look at her voting record vs headlines and what she's actually done vs what you've heard.
I'm excited and proud to vote for her. Most of the posts saying otherwise in the thread are based on feelings, not facts or voting record.
This is what I mean, it's insulting that I don't believe what she says? It's not insulting to me when people don't like what I like. It bothers me because she said one thing and means something else in the case of not supporting gay marriage. She made the lines about super predators and bringing them to heel, which apparently she didn't mean or made a mistake... She took hundreds of thousands to speak to the crooks on wall Street, and depending on who you believe she had quite nice things to say... And yet she says the exact opposite and that she's going to stop their antics. And again the Kissinger stuff is cringeworthy.
HillaryGAF will never accept being wrong. You don't trust Hillary? You are sexist or a privileged white individual. It's a lose-lose situation.
Calling gang members who commit aggravated assaults and murders that happen to be black "super predators" is problematic because it focuses on the outcome and not what causes the solution--however, it is NOT the same as calling "young black males" (read "young black males") "super predators." And I am getting extremely sick and tired seeing this lazy attack peddled by people too lazy to even watch the entire interview where it was stated (hopefully that's not you), but your take on this is still off the mark.Wait so youre saying it's ok that she called young blacks super predators?
Wait so youre saying it's ok that she called young blacks super predators?