Ohio may be an open carry state, but I doubt it's a draw your gun on a pursuing police officer state. Unless something more comes out about this, can't really fault the officer's actions. Potential suspects start running, one pulls what looks to be a gun. Like, what do you want here? Officer's should definitely carefully assess situations and shouldn't shoot every suspect, but I don't want them to put themselves 100% at risk and never fire even if someone draws a gun on them.
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Columbus cops shoot and kill a 13 year old with a BB gun
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Or maybe just not blow him to bits.
Means there's nothing to currently get outraged about until more information comes in.
Ok, so if you're brazen enough to draw any type of a weapon on a cop then there is a reasonable chance you'll get killed. Are the chances higher with blacks? Absolutely, I'm not sitting here defending cops killing people. What I am saying is the kid was dumb.
Can't believe y'all haven't heard these stories., especially in light of black folks being gunned down by cops. But here ya go:
http://www.alternet.org/civil-liber...ns-police-officers-and-managed-not-get-killed
http://usuncut.com/black-lives-matter/armed-white-people-survive-cops/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/william-bruce-ray-arrested_us_577efceae4b0344d514eb09e
http://www.complex.com/life/2016/08/white-man-california-shoots-at-cops-gets-shot-beanbags-arrested
Big Baybee
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Do people seriously believe a kid is going to draw a fake gun on a cop? Holy shit.
I think you need to read up on Ohio's gun laws. One, it's an open carry state. Citizens are permitted by law to carry firearms. Two, he's a 13-year old boy. It's quite obvious if someone is a child or not. I hope sweet justice is brought swiftly upon the officer who shot him.
LookAtMeGo
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So you know for sure that the kid took out his gun while running away and aimed it at the cops in a threatening manner? Or are you just taking their word for it?
When I was in middle school, a few of my friends would spray paint their BB guns, often covering up the orange tip.
Mammoth Jones
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I have zero faith in the officer's version of events. Zero. Is there a camera video?
Why would cops lie? They're the good guys!!!
Why would cops lie? They're the good guys!!!
The truth tends to come out regardless.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Are people in this thread really trying to excuse a 13yr old being shot?
IISANDERII
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Even if the kid didn't pull out the BB gun, the cops still may have killed him. It happens on a regular basis so not surprised the kid would be terrified.
Big Baybee
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Like with Tamir and John. Both supposedly "aiming" their "weapons", video shows otherwise, cops still face no justice.
Mammoth Jones
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Bullshit. If there's not a video then the truth is whatever the police union says it is in situations like these.
Angelus Errare
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Given the rate at which police lie about what transpires in these situations, I'm not believing a word they say.
And of course there is no body cam footage, and the only person who can argue whether or not their story is true is dead (such convenience).
That utopia you live in must be lit.
And of course there is no body cam footage, and the only person who can argue whether or not their story is true is dead (such convenience).
That utopia you live in must be lit.
Kibbles
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Uh they were involved in an armed robbery and he decided to draw the gun on the cops when they chased him down, kid fucked up.
backflip10019
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Excusing, no. Of course I don't think the kid should've been killed.
But understanding why a police officer would act the way he did when a person who is being pursued pulls a type of gun on you, yes.
Wait, are we talking about air pistols, or those toy guns that shoot the little plastic pellets?
I was thinking of this sort of BB gun
Unless US gun laws are even more restrictive than Canadian gun laws (where regular people aren't even allowed to have real handguns without a special permit for use at firing ranges only), they don't have orange tips and do look like real guns from a distance.
Mammoth Jones
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Just as likely he knew he was in trouble and panicked and ran. Once caught he might try to "give up" the contraband he knows he shouldn't have or whatever and cops see gun and go HAM.
This would be so much easier w/ video documentation.
I've a bridge that i'd like to sell to you.
You must be new around here.
Black people should come with orange tips.
GeordieMark
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The only way I can attempt to rationalise that is if the kid had pulled the gun to show the cop it wasn't real, which would be a silly thing to do, but also kinda understandable if you're trying to show you're unarmed and haven't thought through the possible consequences.
Who knows what happened here, but its a really sad story. Cops need to be mandated to wear cameras at all times, with no exceptions.
yes, they are.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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You're excusing it again.
were the kids actually involved in the armed robbery or did they just "fit the description"
It wasn't in a holster, which is how open carry is legally done. If he had it tucked in his waistband, it would no longer be open carry it would be carrying a concealed weapon, which is illegal. Furthermore, he allegedly had it in his hand as he was running, aiming it back at the officer with his laser sight visible, which would lead the officer to believe he was going to shoot at him.
Open carry doesn't allow you to carry a handgun however you feel like carrying it around, it has to be done a certain way to be legal.
Well then those police officers will soon be without a job and without pension.
<+)O Robido O(+>
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"Fitting the description" isn't the same thing as committing a crime.
Shmuppers
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Yeah that's a lot more believable to me. Definitely interested to hear the kid's buddies' version of the story.
I'm not sure what you mean. Threatening a public official is absolutely a crime.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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After the dozens of videos showing cops executing people for no reason, I just have to assume that the people defending the cops right now with no evidence are the most credulous people in the world.
There's another explanation for this level of expressed belief but detailing it would probably trigger too many people.
There's another explanation for this level of expressed belief but detailing it would probably trigger too many people.
Generally? Yes. Or at least depending on the type anyway. Though it isn't something actually required by Federal law IIRC
I thought they just 'fit the description'. I don't think the article mentioned that they actually did the crime.
Yaphett Kotto
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I feel like I should make a bingo chart for these canned statements in these threads.
It will definitely not be the first time it happens.
It will definitely not be the first time it happens.
Twenty7KVN
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I find it hard to believe that the cops couldn't arrest a 13 year old when they caught up to him. They probably tackled him saw a gun and shot him.
What did he mean by this?
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Gotdam boy certain folk couldnt wait to jump in this thread! How "unlucky".Ill wait for all the facts not coming from the organization that killed the kid
Shmuppers
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OH now I see what you and the other poster meant. Okay, yeah. Sorry
DragonSworne
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If you believe their bullshit story. How many times do we have to go through this song and dance before people realize that cops constantly coverup their mistakes by lying?
Yep. Esp after running to preserve his life. He just figured 13 years was a good run. So suicide by cop. Of course.
This one is a wrap. No video and a police statement which is always the same one every time. Of course people will believe it. As it's what they want to believe.
Even when there's video. Then the goal post is moved to "well it's just this one.."
Vicetrailia
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Unless it's suicide by cop (seems unlikely), I do not believe the cops story, especially concerning Ohio police.
This wouldn't be the first time that they completely lied about the circumstances leading to a shooting death. I hope we can see it with our own eyes. But even if we do and are vindicated, they will still get off 99.9%
But at least we'll know what happened.
This wouldn't be the first time that they completely lied about the circumstances leading to a shooting death. I hope we can see it with our own eyes. But even if we do and are vindicated, they will still get off 99.9%
But at least we'll know what happened.
Draw? As in stand your ground and prepare to shoot? No. But draw as in take out to throw aside or prove to a pursuing officer that it wasn't real? I could buy that, especially if it's being done in a moment of panic. At this point in time, knowing what we know, I can't fault the officer for not being able to distinguish between the two scenarios.
About the only thing I can say with certainty at this point is that it's tragic that another young kid is dead and that we absolutely need the police to be wearing functional body cams while on duty.
Because 13 years of being alive is not long enough to make informed decisions while under stress. That's why 13 year olds can't drive. That's why you can't fuck 13 year olds. That's why they aren't able to own real guns.
But they can look amazingly like adults, can't they? In the heat of the moment, they can looked like armed perps, especially when brandishing a bb gun.
Why the fuck do I go into threads like this? All it does is piss me off. I consciously am aware that not all cops are gunning to kill anyone with dark skin, but c'mom man. I read this shit every week. Every week. I read from assholes who tell me that the person of color who was killed shouldn't have done this or that to deserve getting shot. How about not using a god dammed gun to pacify the fucking situation???
I'm not doing these "person of color gets brutalized by cops" t. hreads anymore. It does things to me that I don't like. I don't like feeling this concoction of rage, sadness, fear and helplessness. I legit have tinfoil hat moments where I feel that folks around me tolerate me only because they have to, because otherwise they'd be more than happy to get rid of yet another darkie whose taking up a job and a house that could be filled by a respectable white guy. I just need to give a cop a reason when he's having a bad day.
Sorry for the rant. Let's wait and get more information before we jump to... whatever. I'm out.
BearFlexington
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I'm curious how frequent these "incidents" would be if college degrees or full-time military experience were requirements for police officers. Also, considering that police wear body armor, should there be a "suspect must fire first" law? If we lose people on the force because of this, so be it. Thoughts?
blankempathy
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While more facts are needed let's not pretend that 13 year olds are incapable of making stupid choices. Hell a grown adult is capable of doing something that dumb.
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