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Will the PC version of Forza Horizon 3 support HDR?
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paperspace
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Well, 4K can be unnoticeable at certain distances, while HDR is noticeable at pretty much any distance.
Confirmed that a Geforce 960 and a Samsung 2015 TV (JS8500) works too!
What distances are those?
This is a PC thread, and it will be instantly noticeable at any distance a normal person would sit from their monitor.
wanderingprostheyltite
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Platform wars? Please explain. I wasn't even the one that initially brought that fud in here. People are outright dismissing the potential impact of hdr, and that poster in question likely didn't even see a game running on an hdr display, prob a Best Buy demo on an improperly calibrated set (like they all are in big box store, bright af environments). Gaf user Karak has often said how big a difference there is between video and game content on an hdr set, and for those that haven't seen it, well they may as well be comparing completely different things. I play mostly VR content these days btw, so sorry wrong person to call out
Yeah, on the other hand you were completely certain of something now proven wrong a mere few posts later.Yeah you didn't seem certain
I think I should just stop bothering, but the idea you imply of some cards not "getting the full spectrum" is ludicrous. Either a card produces a correct HDR signal or it doesn't. Measuring color spaces and spectra is something you can (and should) do to evaluate output devices, not signal generators.
Who? Where?
Caayn
Member
I'm not holding my breath on HDR support for the PC version of FH3. The question has been asked multiple times and this has been the only real response we've gotten so far.
They confirm it first to be followed by how their previous message was an error and that XB1 supports HDR while PC supports 4K.
I'm a bit disappointed in PG/MS that the PC version won't support HDR, at least not when it releases.
They confirm it first to be followed by how their previous message was an error and that XB1 supports HDR while PC supports 4K.
I'm a bit disappointed in PG/MS that the PC version won't support HDR, at least not when it releases.
I wouldn't be surprised if the issue was lagging UWP support.
Other than that I can't really imagine what the holdup would be for a game which already supports HDR on another platform.
wanderingprostheyltite
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Fair enough, but I'm still not convinced these cards are capable of that. Like I inferred, prob best to wait for a DF teardown for the first game that actually has it patched in.
As for who, well, you and the other poster. You trying to say its merely an incremental upgrade vs something more game changing, and bringing vr into the convo when that isn't what the thread is even about. You were absolutely downplaying it. Again, I'm skeptical you've seen hdr content on a good hdr display. Also, I asked you for further clarification re: Maxwell and you just ignored me, so yeah.
You didn't "infer" that. You said so. There's also no need to wait, you can run a test image on those cards right now and see that the signal is generated correctly.
There's nothing more to it.
I said that HDR is incremental -- because it very clearly is -- but never used the word "merely" or implied any such thing.
I did not bring VR into the conversation, I replied to a post which brought it up.
Clearly, that was the smartest thing I did in this thread, and I should have stuck with it. Jesus.
Are huge positive for me as I hope to play some Forza Horizon 3 in HDR at some point.
There was always a concern that Nvidia would make it available to only the newer series of cards to prompt people to update their systems again.
Dee Dah Dave
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Do you need to use 10bit color for HDR, at least to get the most from it?
kostacurtas
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Thank you for that info, I was looking for HDR content for the PC for weeks now since I bought my 4K HDR TV.
I can also confirm that the 980Ti is HDR compatible:
PS: The difference on this test between HDR and SDR is mind blowing.
I'm not dismissing HDR. I'm just saying that if I had to choose between playing a game with HDR locked at 60 or a game without HDR locked at 120 or 140, then good bye HDR. It's not that important for me.
HDR is the new GDDR5/4K/Cinematic buzzword for people right now. I already can't wait to hurry up and get pass this so we can just move on to whatever else comes up.
Don't get me wrong. I will use HDR once more games start implementing it and IF I decide to play on my TV OR until they have an affordable PC monitor with it implemented. But my PC has water in it and it's heavy and it's up on the 2nd floor. I'm waiting for a PC monitor.
HDR is the new GDDR5/4K/Cinematic buzzword for people right now. I already can't wait to hurry up and get pass this so we can just move on to whatever else comes up.
Don't get me wrong. I will use HDR once more games start implementing it and IF I decide to play on my TV OR until they have an affordable PC monitor with it implemented. But my PC has water in it and it's heavy and it's up on the 2nd floor. I'm waiting for a PC monitor.
I'm lazy.
Does anybody want to test out one of the 700 series?
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Belittling others as "VR stans" and stuff like "look how this poster acts in this other thread" as a means to state your position is the same sort of nonsense as any other console warrior spouting off about how they perceive others to be fanboys of something else.
Again, if you can't argue your point without resorting to that sort of behavior don't bother posting it.
HDR requieres HDMI 2.0a though. Only Pascal (and radeons new rx4xxx line i think) have that.
Edit. Seems tjey updates it as the earlier poster confirmed it?
Pagusas
Elden Member
Thank you for that info, I was looking for HDR content for the PC for weeks now since I bought my 4K HDR TV.
I can also confirm that the 980Ti is HDR compatible:
PS: The difference on this test between HDR and SDR is mind blowing.
Where can I get this demo/test at?
can you link that
metareferential
Member
Thank you for that info, I was looking for HDR content for the PC for weeks now since I bought my 4K HDR TV.
I can also confirm that the 980Ti is HDR compatible:
PS: The difference on this test between HDR and SDR is mind blowing.
You should post the same scene in SDR, even though comparisons like this are a bit hit or miss (mostly miss), it would still be cool nonetheless.
1080ti?
Thank you for that info, I was looking for HDR content for the PC for weeks now since I bought my 4K HDR TV.
I can also confirm that the 980Ti is HDR compatible:
PS: The difference on this test between HDR and SDR is mind blowing.
When the picture is displaying the SDR image I feel like it would be tone mapped to lift the picture up a bit in brightness and contrast.
I always feel like I am being duped a little bit by comparisons so far.
kostacurtas
Member
You mean the dynamic contrast setting on the Samsung tv? Isn't that an artificial setting that mos calibrating/reviews sites recommend to always turn off?
You could. Netflix and Amazon have some shows with hdr. Not movies that I can see so far, only UHD brays so far.
wanderingprostheyltite
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So when people are seeking more info in a discussion the best attitude is to be petty and ignore them just cause the first few beats were a little rocky? Gotcha. You first came into this thread with some snarky callout without actually addressing what the poster was asking (criticizing the necro). Maybe consider how you come off, it isn't helpful to get all butthurt and ignore people when the intent is clarity. To clarify, I would love it if I didn't have to upgrade my 970 to get hdr going for the games that will be supported eventually, but a few things I've read elsewhere makes me a bit skeptical, that's all.
Well I'm a VR stan too if that helps
Point taken though.
Fuck it. I'm hauling my computer downstairs.
Edit:
I'm not going to haul my shit downstairs. Thanks for saving my life.
No, in the Nvidia control panel, go to change resolution and you should see an option for limited or full dynamic range.
Be warned that changing from full to dynamic or vice versa will change your gamma, but you should be running full anyway if you have a 10bit panel.
Ahh, thanks. I always have that setting on full lol. I thought it was related to black level (like limited and full) that people always discuss. Thanks for the link. Now to try it and also my nvidia shield tv too. It's supposed to also stream hdr content so I don't have to move my computer lol.
CrAzY FiNgErS
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Yes, it's true. Many, maybe most even, still play PC games on Desktop monitor or their laptop, but there are still quite a few of us who play their PC games on an HD TV. I Don't have a 4k set yet, and I won't get one for a couple of years, but I will never go back to playing my PC games on a Desktop style setup.
It's good that this tech can roll out to PC gamers, because there are all kinds of us who like to play many different ways. It's nice to know HDR will be there when I am ready to upgrade my TV to 4K.
Yeah, however I don't know if they have updated the pc apps. Remember windows 10 only just gained HDR capabilities withe anniversary update. Keep an eye if not update they should update their apps soon.
Another option is get a nvidia shield tv. I have one and I stream all my games from my pc to my comfy couch and its fabulous. It's supposed to also support hdr games and stream with hdr games when they come. I'm about to test that file and see if it indeed does.
Sure, you can absolutely stream HDR content, but streaming software will need to be updated to do so.
It could be problematic with embedded devices (like an Amazon Fire stick or a Steam link or those kinds of things) if they have no hardware decoding support for HDR formats (and clearly also lack the grunt to do so in software). Or if they lack the output bandwidth.
kostacurtas
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I thought to take two screenshots to demonstrate the difference to a friend but the difference of HDR vs SDR that I am seeing on my HDR TV is not visible at all on my iPhone screen.
On a non HDR screen the two screenshots (HDR/SDR) are nearly the same.
wanderingprostheyltite
Member
Alright, THIS is what I found the other day when doing a round of hdr-related googling and why I have some skepticism older cards are getting the total package (yes even if games are patched with it):
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/11/350540974013905481/
Post 7 at the bottom:
I may be wrong here but Dynamic HDR has more limited support even in displays currently. This is all very confusing :/
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/11/350540974013905481/
Post 7 at the bottom:
I may be wrong here but Dynamic HDR has more limited support even in displays currently. This is all very confusing :/
metareferential
Member
Yeah, that's what I figured anyway.
To people trying the run_hdr.bat: use the "test pattern" and open the "testpatternparameters" in the low left-hand corner. You should find a "hdr check" option.
If you see something then you're good. If you see a white screen something is wrong or your display doesn't support HDR (tested with a non-hdr screen to see what it would display).
Most HDR TV's have the option of streaming HDR content through the apps on their smart TV options. Netflix and amazon being the main players right now.
One thing I have noticed about HDR is the lack of banding. You know the banding you see on a sky on a normal TV, it blends so much better.
Does the Pascal Titan X support dynamic HDR or is it just the 1080?
R10Neymarfan
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HDR is not suppose to have a performance impact. I believe HDR is something that already exists in games, they just have to be enabled
HDMI 2.1 spec has not even been released.
wanderingprostheyltite
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Not sure, found this in relation to static vs dynamic though. Not related to gpus necessarily, and somewhat old but just found this (from May):
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1463138030
Whether or not that's something that can be done gpu side in driver update I'm not sure.
Dynamic metadata doesn't require any new hardware, I see no reason why it couldn't be enabled on every HDMI2-capable card when it is actually standardized.
Hmmm, I wonder if it would be standarized or be just and extra thing like Dolby vision. Because so far, HDR 10 is the facto standard, (static) used by the UHD blurays group, and it seems most gaming companies are adhering to that. Or maybe it's backwards compatibke with the static one. Because as far as I know, both Sony and Microsoft (and graphics cards) are using HDR 10 too.
wanderingprostheyltite
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Oh so HDR 10 is the same thing (static)? Guess it doesn't matter then, the TV I plan on getting uses that (KS8000). Will be interesting to see how Dolby Vision/HDR 10 pans out. There was another thread saying Dolby is trying for something crazy like 12k nits for future models. Wondering if I should almost wait a year to see how things shake out with panels and display standards.
Gotcha. Well that's that then. Makes me wonder what the difference visually is between the dynamic vs static though, and if it's that dramatic a shift. I feel like TVs are turning into the new VR headsets in terms of rapid iteration.
Iced_Eagle
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcDDvoauaz0&t=43m34s
As stated at GDC, DirectX and Win10 will be adding platform level support for it on Windows. It's potentially in the current preview builds if you are a Windows Insider? The goal in that video states development capabilities will be available in the second half of this year, but with delivery to consumers in first half of next year. Sure, you can get a hardware specific SDK, which is what Nvidia is pushing for the games coming out this year, but MS is going to add it to DX itself so it's hardware agnostic (and also so companies like Netflix and other non-gaming applications can use it as well much more easily).
Here's the timestamp to the start of the HDR section of the video if you're curious to hear the entire portion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcDDvoauaz0&t=26m57s
My hope is that existing titles will get updates enabling HDR support, once it's available in DX and the OS next year.
*edit*
I mean, this isn't like a Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD style format where one will beat out the other. Both can co-exist just fine like Dolby and DTS audio formats. HDR10 will be supported everywhere, so that won't be a problem (it's the free, open standard after all and required for UHD discs). Dolby Vision is at this point a "nice to have", but isn't strictly required. Technically, DV content may look a bit better than HDR10 due to the extra functionality and hardware DV is required to have on supported devices around the device metadata. In addition, Dolby Atmos and Dolby Vision are both being installed in a fair amount of cinema's, so many movies will likely create DV versions but the question will be whether those versions will be added to the HDR10 discs as well. We'll see.
Honestly, at this point, don't sweat the standards. If your panel supports HDR10, you are perfectly fine. If your panel supports Dolby Vision ONLY (extremelyyyy rare), then it's okay to panic. If your panel supports both, cool. I only remember one off-brand of TV supporting DV only, but can't recall the name. Almost everyone is going to be in the HDR10 or Both categories, so there's really nothing to be concerned about. There's always something cool coming out in the future, and always something to improve upon. At this point it's quibbling over details.
MisterXDTV
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I find all of this very amusing....
The only true HDR right now and in the near future is related to UHD Movies.
Videogames are not created with 10-bit color depth and Rec.2020/DCI P3 Color Space
That would kill resolution and frame-rate
The only true HDR right now and in the near future is related to UHD Movies.
Videogames are not created with 10-bit color depth and Rec.2020/DCI P3 Color Space
That would kill resolution and frame-rate
So the issue actually is lagging UWP support. I was aware that it will be added to DirectX, but had no idea of the timeline.
Note that the hardware SDK solution supports every version of Windows
Video games have been rendered to HDR framebuffers (at 16 bits per component, not just 10) for well over a decade. The art authoring is different for the new color space, but that has 0 performance impact.
MisterXDTV
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So the issue actually is lagging UWP support. I was aware that it will be added to DirectX, but had no idea of the timeline.
Note that the hardware SDK solution supports every version of Windows
Video games have been rendered to HDR framebuffers (at 16 bits per component, not just 10) for well over a decade. The art authoring is different for the new color space, but that has 0 performance impact.
Never read anything about this. Console Games are 8-bit sRGB as far as I know
