Certainly other games will use it better in the future.
Guess I haven't seen anything incredible in that regard until now. As soon as more content is available, HDR will shine it's advantages even more.
You're right. I precipitated myself.
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Forza Horizon 3 HDR impressions
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I have a JU7500 and this is my impression with HDR in the game.
I think the game world itself could be more vivid, and that may be a limitation of the panel on my TV. I haven't actually compared to see what the game is like with HDR disabled, but I want to say that the main thing that I may be noticing is that the headlights on cars seem very bright (almost lifelike) and when I get a good angle on the sun and the skybox is just right, that does seem very bright as well, as well as occasionally the reflection on water.
This is my first time trying to experience HDR so I am not sure if I'm doing it right! Honestly, I wasn't able to tell much difference and would say that "HDR isn't worth it really" after seeing this, but I don't want to base my impression on just one game and the fact that it may be my panel that's preventing me from seeing the wide array of additional colors available.
I think the game world itself could be more vivid, and that may be a limitation of the panel on my TV. I haven't actually compared to see what the game is like with HDR disabled, but I want to say that the main thing that I may be noticing is that the headlights on cars seem very bright (almost lifelike) and when I get a good angle on the sun and the skybox is just right, that does seem very bright as well, as well as occasionally the reflection on water.
This is my first time trying to experience HDR so I am not sure if I'm doing it right! Honestly, I wasn't able to tell much difference and would say that "HDR isn't worth it really" after seeing this, but I don't want to base my impression on just one game and the fact that it may be my panel that's preventing me from seeing the wide array of additional colors available.
Yeah this game looks definitely washed out when following their brightness and HDR brightness guidelines. Other HDR content looks good with the very same TV settings. Kinda weird, will try to fix that.
Also get horrible banding on the skybox, I'm inclined to say that's the worst I've ever seen.
E: No wait, washed out is the opposite
They look rather muted and dark for me. Will fire up PC version later to get a gist of what it "should" look like.
E2: So yeah, stuff like headlights and the neon lights in the "base" area really pop but I can't help but think they screwed up somewhere with the colors. They just look muted with HDR on and im reluctant to manually boost them using my tv settings cause that will probably screw up the whole image.
E3: ok well, that sunrise was pretty stunning lol. Gave the colors a +10 saturation boost and I guess I'll stick to it for now.
Also get horrible banding on the skybox, I'm inclined to say that's the worst I've ever seen.
E: No wait, washed out is the opposite
They look rather muted and dark for me. Will fire up PC version later to get a gist of what it "should" look like.
E2: So yeah, stuff like headlights and the neon lights in the "base" area really pop but I can't help but think they screwed up somewhere with the colors. They just look muted with HDR on and im reluctant to manually boost them using my tv settings cause that will probably screw up the whole image.
E3: ok well, that sunrise was pretty stunning lol. Gave the colors a +10 saturation boost and I guess I'll stick to it for now.
DJ Lushious
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Hear, hear! Dolby gave us a golden standard and it's a shame it's not getting more widespread adoption.
vatstep
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I think the biggest testament to the HDR effects in this game is how differently everything looks under varying weather conditions. I don't think I've ever seen such realistic visuals under a simulated overcast sky.
I suspect we are talking about different things, you can see from that review that whilst it can produce the colours that form part of the more extreme corners of the Rec2020 colour space it still can't produce the additional colours inbetween
You will still have the issue of colour banding.
Not totally relevant, as no games are using Wide colour gamut, but certainly relevant to UHD discs.
A 8bit panel that uses FRC can display 1.07 billion colors with no banding.
Just like Sony's X800D and most other "10bit" displays it uses FRC to make a 8-bit panel display 10-bit color
"Frame Rate Control (FRC) is a method, which allows the pixels to show more color tones. With quick cyclic switching between different color tones, an illusion for a new intermediate color tone is created. For example, by using FRC, a 8-bit display panel is able to show 1.07 billion colors, which are typical for 10-bit display panels"
BigTnaples
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Played for around an hour so far, didn't realize there was not an HDR on off toggle.. so redone loading the demo to see how it looks without.
Looks fantastic with though.
Looks fantastic with though.
f@luS
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Lg c6 oled here. Looks amazing for hdr imho. I didn't switch hdr off in my Xbox setting so I just compare to the demo I played two days ago and color seems to pop much more
It's just a bummer that I need to go in the tv settings everytime
To switch trumotion off for a hdr game (as i use it on for movies ) but it's no big deal
Hdr + upscale 4K on an oled lg is remarkable
it def has a better implementation then nba2k17
. It does look great, I guess my expectations were spoilt after experiencing the normal bluray to UHD HDR improvements!I keep truemotion off as it messes with the gaming and movie image, especially around moving objects!
f@luS
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Don't like stutters in movie so for them I use itit def has a better implementation then nba2k17
I keep truemotion off as it messes with the gaming and movie image, especially around moving objects!
Overall I was impessed with hdr for revenant (but it bugs sometimes on my Xbox disc wise it has some issue ), dead pool and xmen , but I was disappointed with bvs, and creed (only got 5 movies ). Forza I saw it straight as I jumped from the demo. It's a nice improvement for a free computing upgrade. This but a nice 4K upscale is really good
guitarguy316
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How's HDR input lag for you guys?
Don't expect movie like HDR effect otherwise I think you will only setup yourself for disappointment.
It looks nice (preeeeeetty nice in some scenarios) but not as impressive as the HDR movie footage I've seen.
Input lag seems fine to me on my XD80, can't say I notice a difference to SDR.
My recommended settings for LG 2016 OLED are:
HDR Standard preset base.
Max OLED Light/Contrast
50 Brightness (this setting goes wacky if you push it past 51)
Dynamic Contrast off (I use this on mediuim for some HDR UHD movies or they're too dark)
Then all other advanced processing off.
Then in the game leave the regular brightness as default and set the HDR Brightness option as specified in the game, which on an E6
OLED seems to be practically all the right way to the right. (Getting this right seems to be the critical element to the game looking good)
Note: My TV was calibrated for Limited Range black level prior to testing this, and it's how I run my Xbox One (and every device) - in case that makes a difference too.
input lag in HDR feels perfectly playable and nothing to worry about for a 30fps designed racer.
HDR Standard preset base.
Max OLED Light/Contrast
50 Brightness (this setting goes wacky if you push it past 51)
Dynamic Contrast off (I use this on mediuim for some HDR UHD movies or they're too dark)
Then all other advanced processing off.
Then in the game leave the regular brightness as default and set the HDR Brightness option as specified in the game, which on an E6
OLED seems to be practically all the right way to the right. (Getting this right seems to be the critical element to the game looking good)
Note: My TV was calibrated for Limited Range black level prior to testing this, and it's how I run my Xbox One (and every device) - in case that makes a difference too.
input lag in HDR feels perfectly playable and nothing to worry about for a 30fps designed racer.
Later Alligator
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game looks gorgeous on my ks8000 in hdr
f@luS
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My tv is in French so I don't know the name for my hdr setting (the first one ) , as standard is too brown
The oled 80/contrast 90 (tried with Disney wow calibration disc for this and brightness ) / brightness 50/ everything off
Broman1978
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So my LG Uh644v have input lag when HDR is enabled . Tried to turn everything off and still it has input lag. Am I screwed and force to play The game without HDR then?
. Tried to turn everything off and still it has input lag. Am I screwed and force to play The game without HDR then?That's why gamers should always research and consider input lag top priority. It's absolutely possible to combine great image quality and excellent input lag.So my LG Uh644v have input lag when HDR is enabled
Broman1978
Junior Member
Well. I manage to get to a point where its playable now. Only miiinor input lag. Its very much playable. That HDR! O_O
guitarguy316
Member
sounds like you have an E6? i do as well...looking forward to trying it. i hope rtings got the results wrong and HDR on the E6 is 37ms and not in the 60s.
Broman1978
Junior Member
Didnt Some TV's recieve Some firmware updates to work better without Xbox One and HDR? IF that's the case... Lets hope LG can do Something to
Someone somewhere grinned hard when they came up with that solution
I do wonder how accurate it is though
It works very well. Almost all HDR TVs except the top tier models use it.
True 10bit displays are Samsung KS8000 and Vizio P50-C1
Mrstriker09
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the Samsung ks8000 series it looks great! Seems like thats the only tv that as no issues for gaming in HDR, lol glad i got this one lol
Forza Horizon 3 isn't displaying HDR correctly on my Samsung KS9000.
As soon as the game launches, the brightness drops substantially—whites are grey but luminosity is still strong. When going back to the dashboard everything is a lot darker.
When switching to another app—or the FH3 demo—everything's back to normal again.
I've looked in Settings on my TV and there's no option to customise HDR picture settings or anything like that. Any idea what might be happening?
Worth pointing out I'm in the preview program, so decent chance this might be an Xbox OS bug too.
edit: reset my TV to factory settings. No luck there.
As soon as the game launches, the brightness drops substantially—whites are grey but luminosity is still strong. When going back to the dashboard everything is a lot darker.
When switching to another app—or the FH3 demo—everything's back to normal again.
I've looked in Settings on my TV and there's no option to customise HDR picture settings or anything like that. Any idea what might be happening?
Worth pointing out I'm in the preview program, so decent chance this might be an Xbox OS bug too.
edit: reset my TV to factory settings. No luck there.
Yep, that's what Panasonic DX7xx series does (FRC). They cycle colour tones 1400 times per second, which allows them to show a majority of colors correctly for a fraction of the cost.
DOT DASH DOT
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I would check your HDMI black level, my S gives me trouble with HDR movies, it's like the TV settings get confused with the S's settings, sometimes it looks right and others it fucks up and I get awful black crush or it's really washed out. Try the Standard setting then PC RGB.
Yeah, black level is set to Normal (16-235) on my TV and Normal (16-235) on my Xbox. It's the switch to HDR that screws everything up for some reason.
DOT DASH DOT
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Switch it to full PC RGB for games, your 8000 can handle it, see what happens.
Yup, same thing. Really easy to notice when looking at the friends list snapped on the left. When HDR is off, it's grey as it should be. When HDR is on, it's near black and text is hard to read.
Calibrated the TV with the tool in Settings and everything checks out. HDR just throws it off.
DOT DASH DOT
Member
Yeah when HDR is on it only works with that full screen application, as soon as you press the guide button or snap something, everything will be displayed wrong, as the game/movie is no longer displaying HDR correctly as there's an overlay or dashboard which isn't HDR and the TV isn't reading the metadata.
Normally I'd agree but all the whites in the game's menus are a dull grey instead of the bright white in the demo. Yet, bizarrely, the Forza logo in the HDR brightness calibrator is as white as white can be.
DOT DASH DOT
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You sure they've not changed the menu colour? Sounds stupid but....
BlindSwordsmanZ
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Has anyone been able to get HDR running well on a Sony X800D in game mode? If so please let me know what you did. I have it running well and looking amazing in vivid mode but it's completely awful in game mode.
f@luS
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That's why when I play forza everything is good looking (I'm on limited on the tv and the Xbox ) but if I push the guide l'y dashboard looks dark until I totally quit the gàme then.
Staying on limited rgb for the Xbox as I play Blu-ray 1080p and Netflix on it so their limited
I posted in the original review thread, it's a very subtle difference (playing on the LG E6P OLED)
It is a difference, the colors and shadows are better, and the framerate is not noticeably worse.
I would not buy a new TV to play games in HDR, it's not that big of a difference.
Note: I think some movies in Ultra HD/HDR are massively better looking, but NBA 2K17 and FH3 are only very slightly improved.
It is a difference, the colors and shadows are better, and the framerate is not noticeably worse.
I would not buy a new TV to play games in HDR, it's not that big of a difference.
Note: I think some movies in Ultra HD/HDR are massively better looking, but NBA 2K17 and FH3 are only very slightly improved.
I think it could be very different depending on the game. IMO, if Forza looked more like GT, then the impact would be more noticeable on the cars themselves, just because of the difference in how the lighting works. In FH3, most of the difference is in the skybox and occasionally reflections.
NBA 2K looks almost identical from what I could tell.
Also, figuring out how to calibrate these things will be key, and I'm sure developers can do more to make a difference as they get used to it.
DOT DASH DOT
Member
Also when displaying HDR use dynamic contrast on high, you'll get more peak brightness! Dynamic is great for HDR, shit for everything else!
f@luS
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Quoting myself as it sounded stupid
If I usually put my Xbox one to limited same for my tv on Xbox Hdmi input (because I use it both for gaming and Blu-ray ) , when I play a hdr game does the console switch automatically on (full rgb) which means I need to put full rgb as well on my tv for hdr mode ?
Thanks for the tips! I may pick up a Xbox One S just for Forza on an HDR OLED.
So I just finished playing some on my Sony XBR55X850D, HDR both on and off. Whatever input lag was introduced with HDR on might have been barely noticeable, but it was negligible at best, and certainly didn't hamper my enjoyment.
The HDR itself however didn't impress me. It just made the colors more muted and dimmer, it was like the exact opposite effect that Sony showed off in that Horizon demo, where the colors POPPED. This, the sky kind of looked perma-cloudy. I turned HDR off, and suddenly the sky and ocean were vibrant blue again, and I like it much more.
The HDR itself however didn't impress me. It just made the colors more muted and dimmer, it was like the exact opposite effect that Sony showed off in that Horizon demo, where the colors POPPED. This, the sky kind of looked perma-cloudy. I turned HDR off, and suddenly the sky and ocean were vibrant blue again, and I like it much more.
Thats good to hear since I still have my x850D, but this is a racing game. 30fps fps is the real test, and fighters, 30fps rythm games too.
Ok first I did lots of testing on PC and Xb1 S. First I thought I was seeing the WCG but it was just the HDR version is brighter so different reflections etc. One of my comrades over @ AVS pointed out to me the Albert Pennello DF interview.
Digital Foundry: Are you using the wider colour gamut (DCI P3) for HDR-enabled titles?
Albert Penello: Not currently. We are not supporting WCG for games in Xbox One S. We are supporting the wider Bt.2020 color gamut in Xbox One S for media, however.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-inside-xbox-one-s-tech-interview
The reason why some who have seen HDR are not as wowed is due to colour still being REC 709. Bluray HDR is BT.2020 much wider colour.
You do get High dynamic range though and all the worlds lighting comes alive. Clouds have much more details. The light bouncing off the car or water or through the clouds are beautiful. Night time the stars and sky,Moon clouds come alive the headlights look so real. You get better pixels when in HDR mode even though Colour space is not BT.2020. The blacks are better the whites are better both contain more details.
I hope some developers use BT.2020 as it would make the HDR image even that much better. I understand that HDR10 is new to gaming but honestly WCG should be apart of it too on XB1S for gaming..
Digital Foundry: Are you using the wider colour gamut (DCI P3) for HDR-enabled titles?
Albert Penello: Not currently. We are not supporting WCG for games in Xbox One S. We are supporting the wider Bt.2020 color gamut in Xbox One S for media, however.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-inside-xbox-one-s-tech-interview
The reason why some who have seen HDR are not as wowed is due to colour still being REC 709. Bluray HDR is BT.2020 much wider colour.
You do get High dynamic range though and all the worlds lighting comes alive. Clouds have much more details. The light bouncing off the car or water or through the clouds are beautiful. Night time the stars and sky,Moon clouds come alive the headlights look so real. You get better pixels when in HDR mode even though Colour space is not BT.2020. The blacks are better the whites are better both contain more details.
I hope some developers use BT.2020 as it would make the HDR image even that much better. I understand that HDR10 is new to gaming but honestly WCG should be apart of it too on XB1S for gaming..
OG_Original Gamer
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This is why Dolby Vision is the better format, no need to do all this extra tinkering to brightness settings.