But it does. Third party support (and the type of support) have almost nothing to do with power
It has to do with sales of the hardware and ease of porting very probably too.
Both could go well if the rumours from 10k are indeed true.
But it does. Third party support (and the type of support) have almost nothing to do with power
I keep reading this all over the internet, but is there a particular reason why a Nintendo machine on par hw wise with the competition (hell, even with the exact same hw as one of the competitors) would end up being "the same console"? Can't they build their unique, exclusive games on a powerful console?I really don't think we need the NX to be the Nintendo Playstation. Do we need a 3rd console that does exactly the same?
That's not how the world works. Return on investment dictates ports, as does perceived demographics. Neither of which are favourable to those types of games on any Nintendo box in the last, well, decades.
This is and has been discussed at length here, but the bottom line is that Nintendo could put out a console that's more powerful than a Scorpio for 199 and you're still going to be missing the majority of those games you seek. Feel free to grab one of the other 3 platforms for those.
But it does. Third party support (and the type of support) have almost nothing to do with power
I keep reading this all over the internet, but is there a particular reason why a Nintendo machine on par hw wise with the competition (hell, even with the exact same hw as one of the competitors) would end up being "the same console"? Can't they build their unique, exclusive games on a powerful console?
Not that i expect or even give a shit about it. I just don't understand this reasoning. Games ans services are what makes a console different, not having less power. Having less doesn't make it more appealing.
I really don't think we need the NX to be the Nintendo Playstation. Do we need a 3rd console that does exactly the same?
Having competitive horsepower doesn't mean it has to be exactly the same.
I keep reading this all over the internet, but is there a particular reason why a Nintendo machine on par hw wise with the competition (hell, even with the exact same hw as one of the competitors) would end up being "the same console"? Can't they build their unique, exclusive games on a powerful console?
Not that i expect this to happen, or even give a shit about it (i don't even care that much about the NX itself at this point). I just don't understand this reasoning. Games and services are what makes a console different, not having less power. Having less doesn't make it more appealing.
A solid home console but with actual good games, and a heavy focus on the all important framerate?
Yes, yes we do.
If you put it that way, we dont need a 3rd box in the first place.I really don't think we need the NX to be the Nintendo Playstation. Do we need a 3rd console that does exactly the same?
I'm sorry guys, that post didn't make much sense. I was still so convinced that the NX is gonna be primarily a handheld that "can compete with PS4 in power" didn't even cross my mind.
If the NX of course is a console first and foremost then I guess it should be PS4 power level.
$300 isn't some magical number that makes a handheld or console become overpriced.
It has to do with sales of the hardware
The NES and SNES adjusted for inflationWhat Nintendo gaming device was successful at $300 or more?
What Nintendo gaming device was successful at $300 or more?
That's mostly the Wii U already.
What Nintendo gaming device was successful at $300 or more?
AMD HSA has _nothing_ to do with x86 / ARM. Just saying.Just going to post these(take with a grain of salt). From 10k's twitter
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The NES and SNES adjusted for inflation
NES was more expensive taking into account it launched in the 80s.
What other Nintendo gaming device besides the Wii U was more than 300€?
Not really. The Wii U does indeed have some good games (although not exactly loads), but that's where the comparison ends.
-It's way under powered
-No 3rd party support whatsoever
-Gimmick controller that nobody cares for, and even Nintendo didn't make good use of
-Overpriced for what it offers compared to the competition
-Archaic online and account infrastructure
-Many more
There's loads Nintendo can improve on to make a compelling console for core gamers. Not that I believe these 'rumours'. I think a handheld type machine is most likely as that is the easier market to succeed in and with much less (no) competition. Not counting mobile obviously.
AMD HSA has _nothing_ to do with x86 / ARM. Just saying.10k has been had again
Today, were going to talk about the final piece of the puzzle that AMD didnt mention an SoC architecture that we ultimately believe could combine ARM and x86 hardware on the same die.
I think people are conflating price with value. The 3DS and wii U were overpriced but that's because they didn't over enough value to justify that price point. $300 isn't some magical number that makes a handheld or console become overpriced. If the PS4 launched at $300 would it have been overpriced? Are iPhones overpriced?
The point is that $300 is only expensive if you can't justify the price. I guess the argument is that Nintendo targets a younger audience which necessitates a lower price point. If anything though kids nowadays are being given phones or tablets which aren't cheap. I feel it's less an issue of price and more justifying why they need an NX on top of the smart devices they have already.
Look at the wii, it was expensive when you consider what the HW was capable of. It was also extremely underpowered compared to the HD twins. However Nintendo managed to show the value in the console so it sold like crazy anyway.
The wii U didn't fail because it cost so much. It failed because it was underpowered, poorly supported, was poorly marketed and differentiated from the wii and Nintendo weren't able to communicate what was so good about its defining feature (the game pad). The price obviously didn't help but even if it launched 100 dollars cheaper it still wouldn't have been a success.
Now whilst I agree that $300 sounds like a gamble and I think Nintendo should have aimed lower I think it all depends what they show. Maybe this think is a kick ass device with amazing software support and features that more than justify the price point. Until we know more about NX than just some random code name it's impossible to make that judgement.
Ouch. I just like my Wii U too much. You gotta give them the framerate part as well though. Nintendo first party titles are certainly no stranger to 60FPS.
If I want to post NX fanfiction, would it gain credibility if I posted it on a Twitter?
What if it was erotic fanfiction?
One thing I'm doubtful about on these rumours, is the Yooka-Laylee port, which has been denied by Playtonic themselves a few weeks ago.
But it's part of the least trustworthy part of that "leak", so maybe it doesn't discredit the red/green parts which are supposed to be from more trusted sources.
If I want to post NX fanfiction, would it gain credibility if I posted it on a Twitter?
What if it was erotic fanfiction?
It doesn't work like that with tech.
You guys are legit funny.
Salted Caramel?
I wonder how much a Xbone adjusted with inflation cost these days. Should I buy a Wii with $300 today? Sounds reasonable, adjusted with inflation.
Lol.
What Nintendo gaming device was successful at $300 or more?.
Errr... sure it does. If you're going to argue the NES was launched in a completely different era with a different mindset and a different market, you can just stop any comparisons between generations all together. The NES had to overcome the stigma the collapsed market had left as well.
Other than that, someone who wanted to buy a NES in the 80's had to set apart a larger portion of his income in comparison to who ever wants to spend 300 on an NX.
We're talking $300 not more than that. The wii launched at $300 and did more than fine..
Tech prices don't increase to match the inflation usually from one gen to another. Or as they evolve. Because a lot of focus goes into efficiency increase in parallel with development. So for each new tech area created you start with higher prices in the first generations and either decreasing or flat prices as it evolves within the same type of tech.
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Why do people post my stuff on neogaf? You know that'll cause a shitstorm and get the thread closed.
Tech prices don't increase to match the inflation usually from one gen to another. Or as they evolve. Because a lot of focus goes into efficiency increase in parallel with development. So for each new tech area created you start with higher prices in the first generations and either decreasing or flat prices as it evolves within the same type of tech.
Wii launched at $250.
It's about how much it costs people (as in which percentage of their income) to buy the equivalent of newly released gaming hardware in any given generation. You think people back in the 80's thought: "this is costing me 1/4th of my paycheck, but that's ok, because it'll cost me much less in 30 years!"...? Your reasoning is completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Given the fact that the entire gaming market had previously collapsed, the price of the NES was even more of a risk then, than it would be now.
The wii was selling at 300+ second hand
Wha?
Wii launched at $250.
I totally forgot that. In my defense I live in Australia where the launch price was totally different. Having said that it was selling for way above that price online for a loooong time.
Lol. Maybe Nintendo should sell NX just on ebay then.
People always pay a bigger part of their income for the first gens of a new entertainment device. How much the first video players costed? First gens of blu ray players? First 3d tvs? First 4k TVs? It's like somebody would launch a VR headset in 2025 at $1000. "Well, if you take the Vive price from 2016 and you'll adjust with inflation it means it's actually cheap".
This is what I mean with my point. You can't just adjust with inflation for the tech. Because you completely ignore the "early adoption tax" that tech has.
Yes, NES was a risk, undoubtedly, but it also reinvented the console market. Practically first gen of a new world, more or less.
If NX will be 300 AUD, it won't be that bad.
I'm hoping for peanut flavor, personally.Flavor of NX
I'm watching it all and laughing.*looks at latest rumors*
Man, you guys are getting desperate.
*looks at latest rumors*
Man, you guys are getting desperate.