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Macquarie Report on NX: "Coming next week" (Take with a grain of salt)

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KingSnake

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L Thammy said:
There are going to be people to buy just about anything when the price goes down.
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Neither Wii U nor Xbone had the same kind of sales increase (not just at the cut point, but also in the following months) like 3ds.

Edit: looking for Gamecube sales, it doesn't seem that it found too many "people who are going to buy just about anything when the price goes down" despite numerous price cuts. I don't know if this is the best source for it, but I don't seem to find a quarter breakdown on Nintendo site:

http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Nintendo_GameCube

Notice how not even the famous $99 price didn't move the needle too much.
 
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Bronetta

Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
KingSnake said:
I was just explaining to you that Q3 in the doc I linked is Q4 for calendar year.
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I agree its important not to confuse fiscal quarters with calendar quarters but I'm at work right now so it was much faster to pull numbers from Wikipedia.

KingSnake said:
Sure, if you ignore the big increase in sales that came immediately with the price drop you can say the price didn't matter.

3ds was a gaming device that got a very good reception up until the price was announced. It was a good product. An attractive one. With a foreseeable good future. Just launched at a price that was considered by the market to be too big even if the product was good.
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This is part of the discussion we were having on the last page. The price drop was the catalyst that boosted the sales but the games really pushed it further and sustained the growth. Basically a combination of price drop, 3D Land+Mario Kart 7, and the holiday season in general.
 
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KingSnake

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Bronetta said:
This is part of the discussion we were having on the last page. The price drop was the catalyst that boosted the sales but the games really pushed it further and sustained the growth. Basically a combination of price drop, 3D Land+Mario Kart 7, and the holiday season in general.
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Yes, the games sustained the growth, like they should.

But price is a very important factor in this. Launching at the wrong price, especially outside the holiday season can have serious effects.
 
EraErr0r1

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I'm aware Nintendo has stated in the past that the NX will be revealed this year, but I just have a hard time believing that will he the case.

I feel they should market the 3DS and its games heavily for its last Xmas season in the spotlight, while finally aggressively dropping the price of the WiiU during the same period to clear inventory and start 2017 with a clean slate.

A 2016 NX reveal at this point with a 2017 release date is only going to hurt Nintendo's sales during the much important holiday season. Then again Ninty, will Ninty.

My inner Nintendo fanboy is of course still hoping for a reveal soon though haha.
 
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NoClipping said:
I'm aware Nintendo has stated in the past that the NX will be revealed this year, but I just have a hard time believing that will he the case.

I feel they should market the 3DS and its games heavily for its last Xmas season in the spotlight, while finally aggressively dropping the price of the WiiU during the same period to clear inventory and start 2017 with a clean slate.

A 2016 NX reveal at this point with a 2017 release date is only going to hurt Nintendo's sales during the much important holiday season. Then again Ninty, will Ninty.

My inner Nintendo fanboy is of course still hoping for a reveal soon though haha.
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Their holiday salea this year are not going to be pretty no matter what. Also many consoles have done fine during holiday seasons wherein their successor has been announced.
 
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udivision

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Just accept that it's a handheld, and be pleasantly surprised (or... disappointing if you really like handhelds) if it turns out not to be.
 
WhiteWaterM00se

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L Thammy said:
There are going to be people to buy just about anything when the price goes down. The sales immediately following the price drop don't tell us anything about the problems the 3DS was actually facing. If a bag of chips goes on sale then people will rush to buy it, it doesn't mean that the bag is normally overpriced. The question was whether the sales growth from the price drop was sustainable and whether it set the 3DS back on course. The price drop did neither of those things, but the games did.

I'll agree with you that games didn't save the Wii U, but the Wii U had greater problems that went beyond those that the 3DS had. Trying to act like the Wii U not selling because it got games while the 3DS did is deliberately disingenuous; the 3DS has much better third party support and its "gimmicks" are much less intrusive.
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It wasn't even the gimmicks. Nintendo own internal studios didn't know how to handle the Wii U. Some Nintendo games utilized the game pad and some didn't.

The Wii U will always go down as possibly the most interesting console in terms of initial excitement from developers like EA. To what actually materialized.
 
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Bronetta

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batbeg said:
It's certainly one collection that would never go platinum.
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This isn't the first I've heard of Nintendo requesting a Vanquish 2, there was some rumblings a year or two back. But well... let's see.

Why is it that all these leaks can't ever give you any information about the system itself but always seem to know third party business deals like how many games Platinum or Ubisoft are making.
 
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ShadowFox08 said:
Just going to post these(take with a grain of salt). From 10k's twitter

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cu1MSQUWAAAGaVJ.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cu1MTE1XYAAqW_c.jpg
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Way too much of that reads like a fanboy's dream/common sense. I think Nintendo operates in a more common sense/what-in-the-world-is-that/whyyyyyy sort of way. :p

One of the sad things about this is, unless Nintendo talks about who is making their chips, we might still have months of people analyzing trailers and screenshots to determine if it's the "less than X1 on paper" Nvidia console or the "above PS4" AMD console. I really hope Nintendo announces their partner when they unveil the system because the discussions of "is this first-party game's screenshot indicative of the hardware being worse or better than PS4?" will be unbearable.
 
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Tron 2.0

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Sentences like, "The console will have a handheld aspect to it but not in the way people think" are the easiest way to tell which "information" is a complete waste of time.
 
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wonderful103

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Guys, even Nintendo's own developers wouldn't have that much detail about upcoming games from partners. Throw it out just on that basis alone, let alone the multitudes of other inaccuracies.
 
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Manoko said:
I love everything I'm reading here.

Home console, powerful, porting games from PS4/XB1 is easy with power to spare.

Please Nintendo, let this be the NX.
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Poor souls. Go and grab yourself a nice PS4 if that's what you're into. The price is currently not prohibitive minus the internet tax you pay
 
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Bronetta

Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
Should 10k be banned for posting this sick filth?
 
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wonderful103 said:
I mean, he didn't post it here. Twitter sources are generally useless regardless unless you're talking about the WSJ reporter and once in a while Emily. Everyone should know that already
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To illustrate, another Twitter user replied to 10k saying "Nearly all of this is incorrect except for a couple of games."

Now I have no idea who they are, or if they have any credibility...but I'm much more inclined to believe even them over 10k
 
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AzaK said:
Give we're looking at about what, 300-500 (MAX) GFlops in the handheld. To get close to PS4 it'd have to be one hell of a dock; basically an XB1 in the dock. All that for $350-400?



They'll more than hesitate, they just won't do it. There's more important things for families to spend money on than multiple consoles.
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I though flops don't matter especially when it comes to Nvidia vs AMD.

Edit 1: I mean there was a noted insider on this forum that stated the NX can easily handheld ports from Xbox One and PS4. I don't see what the big deal is.
 
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Lutherian

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I wish Nintendo would be at Sony or even Ubisoft tier level of keeping secrets... but then, we wouldn't have anything to hope for !
 
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TunaLover said:
Well it seems the report really came from Macquarie? I doubt they are making up stuff, if so hype?
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The report came from the, but if I understood correctly it was potentially meant to be speculative, like we see in the WSJ articles when they talk about analyst expectations.
 
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wonderful103

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Manoko said:
Or... You know... If the console detailed in these rumours is indeed the NX... Just buy a NX and have both maybe ?
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randomengine said:
If I have a choice between Nintendo and Third-parties. I am choosing Nintendo. The perfect game machine is a Nintendo console with third-party support.
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That's not how the world works. Return on investment dictates ports, as does perceived demographics. Neither of which are favourable to those types of games on any Nintendo box in the last, well, decades.

This is and has been discussed at length here, but the bottom line is that Nintendo could put out a console that's more powerful than a Scorpio for 199 and you're still going to be missing the majority of those games you seek. Feel free to grab one of the other 3 platforms for those.
 
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randomengine said:
If I have a choice between Nintendo and Third-parties. I am choosing Nintendo. The perfect game machine is a Nintendo console with third-party support.
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That's nice that it's your personal preference, but as this gen showed there is a very real ceiling for the amount of people willing to go to Nintendo without 3rd parties, and it's too low.
 
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Kissenkopf

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wonderful103 said:
That's not how the world works. Return on investment dictates ports, as does perceived demographics. Neither of which are favourable to those types of games on any Nintendo box in the last, well, decades.

This is and has been discussed at length here, but the bottom line is that Nintendo could put out a console that's more powerful than a Scorpio for 199 and you're still going to be missing the majority of those games you seek. Feel free to grab one of the other 3 platforms for those.
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Well you know...nobody knows what would happen if Nintendo would release such a powerful console. Only some pessimistic GAF members think nobody would support it but because such a thing never happend before, you can't say if it would stay a "nintendo box" or not.
The world doesnt work your way either.
 
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Kissenkopf said:
Well you know...nobody knows what would happen if Nintendo would release such a powerful console. Only some pessimistic GAF members think nobody would support it but because such a thing never happend before, you can't say if it would stay a "nintendo box" or not.
The world doesnt work your way either.
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But it does. Third party support (and the type of support) have almost nothing to do with power
 
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