KratosEnergyDrink
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And later increased it to almost launch price with new models like the XL. If the 3DS had a better launch lineup it has sold better at launch, the price was not a problem.
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Macquarie Report on NX: "Coming next week" (Take with a grain of salt)
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And later increased it to almost launch price with new models like the XL. If the 3DS had a better launch lineup it has sold better at launch, the price was not a problem.
That's undervaluing the price cut's effect quite a bit tbh. It essentially stopped the freefall 3DS sales were experiencing single handedly, during the summer season of all times, and allowed software to take off that snuck in before the Mario holidays (like Senran Kagura for example). It wasn't a short lived spike, it was the start of viability.
"Almost launch price", as in $50 cheaper than the launch price.
There is a difference in a high price and paying a premium for a deluxe version. Everyone is used to paying more for something bigger. But the 3DS was too much at launch. The poor lineup certainly didn't help, but better launch games wouldn't have justified the entry cost.
Are a lot of people interested in paying a premium to get cutting edge handheld graphics? I dunno. If it's $350 I'd much rather it be a console with truly competitive graphics. I imagine a lot of handheld owners are just looking for a cheap machine to play games on and don't care much for graphics in the first place either.
Plus we don't even know how much the rumored machine costs to make. Some people are assuming that making a handheld with Wii U to Xbone level graphics will cost a ton by comparing it to 3DS but times are different.
OrbitalBeard
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I could honestly see it.
- Some basic NX information on the 26th of this month
- A big info blowout in early January
If it releases in late March, that's essentially three months to heavily market the device pre-launch.
TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared
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Remember when we were so sure NX would be out this year. We all thought it'd be November 2016 and there's no way Nintendo would leave us this long with no information. Good times.
Father_Brain
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Nah, launch details can wait until January, but there needs to be a proper hardware/software reveal within a few weeks of the 26th.
OrbitalBeard
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If a 2016 unveiling happens and it's not this month, I think early December would be the best opportunity. November seems like such bad timing for a big new announcement.
Lord Azrael
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So you're choosing to back up your argument with anecdotal evidence? How about you take a look back at the actual sales data and then get back to us.
The fact of the matter is that 3DS sales only really picked up at the first holiday when big games released.
NX to be revealed in 2019 confirmed.
Even if its delayed I believe they will give real info on the NX at the investors meeting, because if its delayed I doubt it will be a long delay to Fall 2017, it would be more like Spring 2017.
They cant wait til fall 2017, they said the delay on showing the NX was due to them wanting games ready, no reason for them to not have games ready to show 6 months later and ready to release a year later.
GhostTrick
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At 250 dollars, it was doomed. It's foolish to imagine the price drop was just because Nintendo needed something to fill th gap for only 4 months. This huge price drop had a lot of consequences on Nintendo. The week of the price drop, 3DS sold 196 000 units in Japan alone. And you actually believe price wasn't a big issue ? If software was the big problem, Nintendo would've been able to wait 3 months before MK7 and 3D Land gets released.
Heck before these two released, it raised the baseline of 3DS sales from 20~30k to 50~70k.
KratosEnergyDrink
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At least in Europe you got 1-2 games free at 3DS launch.
Waiting until December would be a mistake IMO.
Black Friday is at the end of November. PS4 and X1 discounts will be everywhere. PSVR and PS4 Pro will both be available. Some folks might choose to wait for Scorpio, but nobody will be saying "oh, I'll wait for the new Nintendo" if they don't even care to announce what the hell it is.
It's bad enough that Nintendo is missing this entire holiday season, falling further behind while folks snap up the more powerful competition. They have to convince at least a few people to NOT buy them and wait for NX.
Possumowner
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All bets on next week then....
But we're not. We're looking at something about 1/4-1/3 XB1 Gflops.
Yeah it's become a bit of a joke with them promising X for a new system and then doing the opposite of X. Namely, solving the launch software issue.
Well if Nintendo cared about the perfect time to announce it then they should have announced it last month after Sony totally botched their PS4 Slim/Pro conference and the high from Super Mario Run was still in effect.
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We might be looking at something closer to half. Still a big difference but not quite as much.
OrbitalBeard
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Well, if they're going to reveal in November, it definitely needs to be within the first week.
Perhaps. Maybe they weren't ready to deliver a great presentation though. I'm totally fine waiting if it means we get a killer unveiling of the new platform.
This is also what my memory says. And this makes me wonder in what reality live the people who think this kind of price would fly. And not to understand what kind of perception shift is needed to make that kind of price successful when you played for so long in a different category.
Your mom does.
Er, I mean, the parents of the target audience my hesitate to buy their children a console so soon after another. Not that the early adopters of the NX would mostly be children, but on some level there are sales Nintendo may be losing to the competition by virtue of the holiday season.
TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared
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Did we? I don't recall that.
Give we're looking at about what, 300-500 (MAX) GFlops in the handheld. To get close to PS4 it'd have to be one hell of a dock; basically an XB1 in the dock. All that for $350-400?
They'll more than hesitate, they just won't do it. There's more important things for families to spend money on than multiple consoles.
DragonSworne
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It really is amazing how Nintendo didn't bother to speed up the timeline for NX even though Wii U was pretty much a failure from day 1.
This thing should have been out Holiday 2015. Nintendo better show something next week or I have no confidence in them meeting March 2017.
This thing should have been out Holiday 2015. Nintendo better show something next week or I have no confidence in them meeting March 2017.
Not gonna lie
I'm not even thinking it'll be announced next week, I mean there's always a chance but idk. I'm more content waiting for Nintendo's investor meeting
And if Kimishima says "we have no NX info to talk about or it will be talked about at a later date"
He can go fuck himself, that grandpa ass motherfucker
I'm not even thinking it'll be announced next week, I mean there's always a chance but idk. I'm more content waiting for Nintendo's investor meeting
And if Kimishima says "we have no NX info to talk about or it will be talked about at a later date"
He can go fuck himself, that grandpa ass motherfucker
KratosEnergyDrink
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Really even if it is delayed I'm still hyped for a direct that tells us more about Nintendo 2017 3DS games.
The reason I'm most annoyed with Nintendo at this point is because I can't even plan my 2017 purchases yet because we don't know what they're releasing. If it's just 3DS games I'll probably buy some of those but I at least want to know their release schedule.
The reason I'm most annoyed with Nintendo at this point is because I can't even plan my 2017 purchases yet because we don't know what they're releasing. If it's just 3DS games I'll probably buy some of those but I at least want to know their release schedule.
If calling Kimishima old as fuck and telling him to go fuck himself is ban worthy
then ban me fam
I'm not out here organizing a movement to attack him. Haven't agreed with his leadership decisions at all, more Yamauchi than Iwata and not in the good way
edit: and don't take my posts that seriously smh
then ban me fam
I'm not out here organizing a movement to attack him. Haven't agreed with his leadership decisions at all, more Yamauchi than Iwata and not in the good way
edit: and don't take my posts that seriously smh
lwilliams3
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I thought the theorical solution was to simply increase the clockspeed of the components when the machine is docked.
Btw, is the polygon rendering for the Tegra X1s 1 polygon per cycle or 2 polygons per cycle? I don't recall ATM.
I mean I guess so... but the NX was likely supposed to be out in 2016 and it's now meant to be out in five months. If they're not ready to show it off that probably means they have a problem anyway.
I think people might be expecting too much if they think Nintendo are going to knock it out of the park too. 3DS level reveal would be amazing at this point but I think people are expecting more than that even.
I think that has more to do with you expecting a Holiday 2017 launch and being obnoxious about it to the point of flat-out accusing Nintendo of lying from the very start.
can someone please point me at a confirmation of this??
please don't tell me we are using fucking rumors to pass this as fact
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
It really isn't. Here's some sales data I pulled up from Wikipedia (its sourced from Nintendo's financial statements so its accurate)
The price drop happened in July which is the beginning of Q3. As you can see the sales definitely did increase in Q3 (54.6% so sales doubled from previous quarter)
3D Land and Mario Kart 7 launched in Q4 2011, November 3 and December 1 respectively. As you can see, Q4 sales were once again over double Q3 sales. Q4 had the biggest growth.
So yes, the price drop increased sales but MK7 and 3D Land had a much larger impact on an increase in sales, the snowball effect if you will.
Edit: Chart formatting is messed up no matter how many spaces I added so I bolded the totals for each quarter.
A stock pascal tegra is close to 2/3 just counting flops and not taking architectural advantages (on the side of the tegra) into account.
I'm not saying that the price cut wasn't important, but it needed software to back it up before it could do anything meaningful.
There's already a graphics card available for $100 with more performance than PS4's GPU. Granted, it's an AMD card, but Nvidia has a competitor on the way in a few weeks. You have the dock, a fan, and a PSU to add. You can definitely manage all of that for $400 or even less. This is before considering that there's a ~10% advantage in favor of Nvidia when looking at performance between an AMD GPU and an Nvidia GPU with the same compute performance on paper.
If it isnt next week the chances of a delay will go up
Someone doesn't understand how holiday season works for Nintendo.
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Check this doc, it has a nice breakdown on quarters for 2013, as an example:
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2013/130131e.pdf
3Q for fiscal year (edit for Bronetta: in the doc) is Q4 for calendar year (Oct-Dec).
I think that's too broad a view. Q4 is always big, particularly for Nintendo. If you look at the monthly NPDs from prior to the drop, compared to post drop, it was selling 2-3x as much after the drop. Similar numbers can be found in the weekly Media Create threads. Yes the holidays, and holiday software, had a big impact, but people denying that price was a factor are ignoring the facts.
I can't believe that multiple people are still acting like the price was the main problem on the 3DS back when its big games were Steel Diver and Pilotwings Resort. Do you think the price dropped and people were all like "oh man now I can finally try out this Face Raiders I've been hearing so much about"?
I agree with you that the lack of desirable product was a major factor--the biggest, for sure--but the price point hurt them as well.
Sure, if you ignore the big increase in sales that came immediately with the price drop you can say the price didn't matter.
3ds was a gaming device that got a very good reception up until the price was announced. It was a good product. An attractive one. With a foreseeable good future. Just launched at a price that was considered by the market to be too big even if the product was good.
The games capitalised on an already good basis and a good price.
The good games never did anything for Wii U.
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
Looking at the dates, you should be able to understand its a calendar year and not a fiscal year.
I was just explaining to you that Q3 in the doc I linked is Q4 for calendar year.
There are going to be people to buy just about anything when the price goes down. The sales immediately following the price drop don't tell us anything about the problems the 3DS was actually facing. If a bag of chips goes on sale then people will rush to buy it, it doesn't mean that the bag is normally overpriced. The question was whether the sales growth from the price drop was sustainable and whether it set the 3DS back on course. The price drop did neither of those things, but the games did.
I'll agree with you that games didn't save the Wii U, but the Wii U had greater problems that went beyond those that the 3DS had. Trying to act like the Wii U not selling because it got games while the 3DS did is deliberately disingenuous; the 3DS has much better third party support and its "gimmicks" are much less intrusive.
Yeah I don't understand releasing it so soon after the holiday season, even if they announce it now with a huge marketing blitz and a ton of great games announced parents will not hold off on buying a console for the holiday season if that's really what they want to get their kids, and then expecting them to buy another only months later?
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