No 1080p60 in this game is very disappointing.
Most other R&C games by Insomniac have been 60 fps. They know it's important.
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Ratchet & Clank: PS4 Pro Update details
- Thread starter Loudninja
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Chris Metal
Member
I'm looking at these from the worst possible place, a phone... They look the same as their old promo shots haha. R&C looks that damn good.
thelastword
Banned
Looks a tad soft to me compared to other Pro games I've seen. In any case, what is the resolution, have they improved AF? have there been any other graphical upgrades; shadows, assets, textures?
This is the most un-detailed info update I have seen on a Pro title patch.
This is the most un-detailed info update I have seen on a Pro title patch.
JimmyRustler
Gold Member
Slowly warming up with the PSpro with some many games getting 4K downsampled modes for 1080p TVs. That means they're basically jaggy-free.
Tempting...
Tempting...
BigEmil
Junior Member
Ok Temporal Injection likely less demanding way than native 4k cool.
But that means you have more resources left you can use towards other additional graphic effects or performance like fps.
Unless this is more like those lazy quick patches not really optimised to take more use out of the Pro
But that means you have more resources left you can use towards other additional graphic effects or performance like fps.
Unless this is more like those lazy quick patches not really optimised to take more use out of the Pro
I'm having trouble in phrasing this in a way that's not a dig at you in particular, so I apologize in advance, but damn. Gamers are babies.
BigEmil
Junior Member
Lol what? You can't be serious right
THey have not made a 60fps game in 8 years. They stated it out loud that they don't care about it when they decided to stop doing it.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=378382
Damn...I got about half way through this but pretty sure I wasn't subbed to PS+ at the time so my save won't have cloud saved (it's really trash that in 2016 you need to pay a monthly sub for this when the competition does it so much better for free). Going to have to start fresh on the Pro.
thelastword
Banned
If the game had great textures, 16x AF and lots of AA, I would have believed you, but all of Insomniac's last set of games have had IQ issues at this new dawn of 30fps for them.
Their 60fps games are much better, see ACIT. So I'd rather have 60fps games with lower resolution because their 30fps games runs slow especially for platformers and have bad IQ anyway.
I'm not even impressed with their IQ upgrades here, looks a bit blurry to me, but we shall see. What's this temporal injection anyway, why couldn't they just use checkerboard 1800p or native 4k 30fps locked if 30 is now their new motif.
IIRC during one of his interviews or during the Playstation meeting, Cerny mentioned that not all developers were using checkerboarding to get to 4K, and Insomniac was one of them carving out their own path for Spider Man.
I would take this for what it is - a chance to showcase an already pretty game, adds a title to the opening line-up that lots of people own and serves as a useful development learning tool without having to worry about impacting current development.
KratosEnergyDrink
Member
I don't think that Pro could handle such graphics in 60 FPS. Nonetheless the game should have been 60 FPS from the beginning. Another opportunity where developers sacrificed gameplay for eye candy. But its surely easier for developers to put efforts on graphics than on gameplay.
CouchMaster
Member
Did they swear an oath or something? lol
Either way it looks like RoTR really is an exception instead of norm :|
mrmickfran
Member
AbandonedTrolley
Member
It does if the developer decides to target that, but Insomniac have gone on record a while ago saying they would rather push graphics than frame rates.
BigEmil
Junior Member
I recommend turning on the 'Faster' mode cheat in Ratchet and Clank makes it much better
Spanky
Neo Member
Unfortunately not...
60fps will only be in a few games and it will never be standard.
Next generation will be 4k@30 and the generation after will be 8k@30.
Resolution will be king as pretty graphic can be shown better in pictures than framerate.
Framerate never bothered me. Once it doesn't stop to a crawl and becomes really noticeable I am happy at 30FPS.
I played through all the Ratchet games again recently and if I didn't know they were 60 I would have never of known and then when I got to Nexus which is 30 I never even noticed.
Either people are really sensitive to 60FPS or I am far more forgiving than some.
Next generation will be 4k@30 and the generation after will be 8k@30.
Resolution will be king as pretty graphic can be shown better in pictures than framerate.
Framerate never bothered me. Once it doesn't stop to a crawl and becomes really noticeable I am happy at 30FPS.
I played through all the Ratchet games again recently and if I didn't know they were 60 I would have never of known and then when I got to Nexus which is 30 I never even noticed.
Either people are really sensitive to 60FPS or I am far more forgiving than some.
Crimsonclaw111
Member
No 60fps... Yippie.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Stop expecting 60fps Insomniac games peoples
GhostOfSparta305
Banned
No 60fps option means I'll be skipping this game for good. Really disappointing for a huge fan of the series.
LordOfLore
Banned
This has been known since the final PS3 game.
LordOfChaos
Member
What do you recon the CPU load of Mario is, vs this...?
Most games are definitely going to be CPU bound getting to 60fps on the Pro. You could make the GPU ten times faster and stick to 1080p, but without the CPU scaling up near as much it's going to bottleneck updates per second.
the fuck am i reading
mrmickfran
Member
So this means that Spider-Man will be at 30 :/
Didn't Cerny say that Insomniac was using a 4 million pixel technique or something like that?
BigEmil
Junior Member
Its not just about the CPU but everything else R&C has to render in the graphics space compared to Mario's simple way less demanding graphics load, to put it in simple terms.
GhostOfSparta305
Banned
Since Crack in Time actually, the best the series has felt in nearly a decade.
Wonder why.
qa_engineer
Member
The IQ is pretty damn good. As a PC/PS4 gamer, this makes me happy.
BigEmil
Junior Member
Insomniac was upset that the higher 60fps is never mentioned/praised in reviews or even affect its overall score etc but better graphics always improve reviews and more positive.
So blame journalists and reviewers I guess
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Most open world games on ps4 are 30fps are they not?
AngelOFDeath
Member
This will look glorious.
PLASTICA-MAN
Member
I don't know about Ratchet and Clank but both Spider-Man and For Honor will use an in-house better technique than regular checkerboard from what has been stated.
64bitbros
Member
A huge fan that didn't notice that A Crack in Time and Nexus were both 30fps.
Hmm ok. Your loss mate.
a crack in time was 60
A Crack in Time targeted 60fps.
GhostOfSparta305
Banned
Crack in Time targeted 60.
Nexus frequently dropped under 20.
Check those eyes, chap.
64bitbros
Member
Woops. Brain getting old. Really remembered Crack in time being 30fps.
Sorry.
Spring-Loaded
Member
Hopefully 60fps options become more common moving forward. This game would've looked even better at a higher framerate.
JimiNutz
Banned
RichiRamjag
Member
I'm having trouble in phrasing this in a way that's not a dig at you in particular, so I apologize in advance, but damn. Gamers are babies.
Pretty much. These damn pro threads are going to be full of people spouting that nonsense and complaining about the space the patches take up.
I don't think it's a pro thing rather that they won't focus on it in general. Like it or not, there is a large amount of people who just don't give a damn about the framerate despite the benefits.
DieAntwoord
Banned
And they expect me buy a pro? If most developers are just prioritizing graphics and not gameplay enhancements that come with a higher framerate why bother? No 4k blu ray, still crappy controller battery/light bar and developers are prioritizing graphics over everything else. They want to stop people from upgrading to PCs yet they are constantly doing everything they can to prioritize my PC.