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I'm thinking it's more of a game to capitalize on FE Mobile game coming out.
Hellraider
Member
Fire Emblem Direct pointed even more to the direction where Nintendo wants one more full year for the 3DS with Switch acting as this year's home console. I mean, this has to be it, right?
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Yeah but they could have also released a switch port if that's simply the case. The fact it's exclusive means they still have some intention of supporting the 3DS as separate console as a back up in case the switch crashes and burns.
theprodigy
Member
wait, is Japan more favorable to iOS or Android, relative to the worldwide market?
I suppose the Fire Emblem Gaiden remake is a project not as resource-intensive as other main titles of the series (see the smaller window compared to the one between Awakening and Fates), so they can have a nice send-off for the main series on the platform, while diverting most of their resources on the Switch game, coming out next year.
About FE Switch, I'm actually glad they've already announced it, despite no visual at all, since it sends the message that's where the series will go next.
Sincerly, not comprehending that much why Musou is also coming exclusively to New 3DS: it won't do that much, and the Switch version should still be the best selling version. I suppose this goes in line with trying to support the 3DS, even if with mostly outsourced / smaller titles.
fredrancour
Member
yep. profit off of the 3ds install base for one final year to ease a probably-bumpy transition, then move the handheld franchises entirely starting next year.
Well, potentially starting this fall if stars is real. there's no better way to add a few million new customers for handheld gaming to your user base than to drop an exclusive pokemon title, even if it's just another version.
Ehh. They still want to make money while Switch gets up and running .They did basically announce that the future of the franchise is on Switch.
I quite like what Nintendo is doing here though.
Android/iOS -> 3DS -> New 3DS & Switch -> Switch. Then again, it could be just me that see this. lol
StereoVsn
Member
For myself, over 300k would be a good start, over 400k would be very good, over 500k would be amazing.
ethomaz
Banned
Well there is no way to know without enough supply.
The fact Pro weekly sales continue the same (~8k) even after big drop in hardware to all others shows supply is holding it.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
The fact it's selling that 8k consistently also means it's not extremely sold out either. People that want it can find it somewhere.
ethomaz
Banned
Week 150: PS3 3.531.136 / PS4 4.100.667
Week 151: PS3 3.571.096 / PS4 4.187.836
Week 152: PS3 3.608.634 / PS4 4.234.839
Week 153: PS3 3.639.530
Week 154: PS3 3.669.761
Week 155: PS3 3.699.738
Week 156: PS3 3.735.799
Week 157: PS3 3.784.724
Week 158: PS3 3.823.222
Week 159: PS3 3.857.974
Week 160: PS3 3.904.532
Week 170: PS3 3.962.314
Week 171: PS3 4.037.400
Week 172: PS3 4.274.486
Week 173: PS3 4.385.005
Week 174: PS3 4.499.373
I don't think I could be more impressed with how well made Fire Emblem Heroes is for the modern Japanese mobile market.
1.) It's very similar to the source game, with some amount of simplification to befit shorter play sessions and the wider audience. This is currently the leading form of mobile f2p RPG gameplay in Japan.
2.) Great production values, with heavy use of 2D elements to ensure a reasonable download size and content production rate while still looking very good. This is also very important, and for example, is one of the major successes driving games like Fate/Grand Order, and even back in the day, games like Granblue Fantasy.
3.) The gacha method allows for major spending, but also has risk amortization in that each additional summon is cheaper. You can also select the type of hero you're after by selecting the orb color. This is similar to how a lot of gacha games are modifying their mechanics to both be wary of regulation, and more friendly to players who spend money, but not hundreds of dollars. Very smart. Similarly, your 3 star characters can be upgraded into 5 stars over time, so you don't have to hunt down the 5 star version if you're someone who prefers to put in lots of time. Also very smart.
4.) Good pre-registration campaign. CG intro video that sells the concept of the game. Gets in characters from every era with included voice acting. The Google Play store has images with the correct language and composition for marketing a mobile game. Should attract lots of interest from people who have played Fire Emblem across the ages, as well as people looking for shiny mobile games.
5.) The game has lots of modes and a strong event structure built in right at launch. These are critical for keeping up user engagement, and many games fail (or have to be revived) for taking too long to add such things. That they're there at the start speaks very well for the potential staying power.
You would think this was the newest flagship release from a 5+ year major player in the mobile market. I guess it technically it, given it's DeNA, but still, this is even a step up for them.
1.) It's very similar to the source game, with some amount of simplification to befit shorter play sessions and the wider audience. This is currently the leading form of mobile f2p RPG gameplay in Japan.
2.) Great production values, with heavy use of 2D elements to ensure a reasonable download size and content production rate while still looking very good. This is also very important, and for example, is one of the major successes driving games like Fate/Grand Order, and even back in the day, games like Granblue Fantasy.
3.) The gacha method allows for major spending, but also has risk amortization in that each additional summon is cheaper. You can also select the type of hero you're after by selecting the orb color. This is similar to how a lot of gacha games are modifying their mechanics to both be wary of regulation, and more friendly to players who spend money, but not hundreds of dollars. Very smart. Similarly, your 3 star characters can be upgraded into 5 stars over time, so you don't have to hunt down the 5 star version if you're someone who prefers to put in lots of time. Also very smart.
4.) Good pre-registration campaign. CG intro video that sells the concept of the game. Gets in characters from every era with included voice acting. The Google Play store has images with the correct language and composition for marketing a mobile game. Should attract lots of interest from people who have played Fire Emblem across the ages, as well as people looking for shiny mobile games.
5.) The game has lots of modes and a strong event structure built in right at launch. These are critical for keeping up user engagement, and many games fail (or have to be revived) for taking too long to add such things. That they're there at the start speaks very well for the potential staying power.
You would think this was the newest flagship release from a 5+ year major player in the mobile market. I guess it technically it, given it's DeNA, but still, this is even a step up for them.
Revenue wise, it's slightly iOS tilted, but companies will sometimes release on Android first if they want to see if their pricing needs adjustment prior to the iOS launch. They might also be concerned about potential day one server traffic.
today Direct is a good move for Nintendo Switch communication.
finaly they started to build actual bridge across 3DS and Switch, confirming one of their most important potable series coming to the console next year with a main brand new exclusive episode, with a spinoff clearly "better" on Switch than on New 3DS
I'm pretty sure tht possible Switch buyers will know the performance gap between the two versions and will not distracted by a New3ds version, while they already know that the franchise is coming next year (not a "just started development")
They would need something similar for AC, Pokemon and possibly MH.
This is exactly the kind of move the lack of which I was complaining about in the past weeks
finaly they started to build actual bridge across 3DS and Switch, confirming one of their most important potable series coming to the console next year with a main brand new exclusive episode, with a spinoff clearly "better" on Switch than on New 3DS
I'm pretty sure tht possible Switch buyers will know the performance gap between the two versions and will not distracted by a New3ds version, while they already know that the franchise is coming next year (not a "just started development")
They would need something similar for AC, Pokemon and possibly MH.
This is exactly the kind of move the lack of which I was complaining about in the past weeks
ethomaz
Banned
Because Sony restocks somewhere and get sold out again? That is the point of supply constrained.
PS4 is gonna outsell Ps3 on Japan and maybe even Wii, what a turn around.
ethomaz
Banned
I don't think there is enough gen for that... PS5 will come early than PS4 to PS3 but PS4 already beat the peak year of PS3 in Japan.
All of a sudden a bunch of 3DS games out in time for golden week (maybe Switch stops 2017's from being the worst ever this time)
Fire Emblem fan base has expanded so much that remaking old games to play like the ones sounds like a good plan, I wouldn't expect more than 200k but its good either way.
Fire Emblem fan base has expanded so much that remaking old games to play like the ones sounds like a good plan, I wouldn't expect more than 200k but its good either way.
Does it have to be it though? :/
Nintendo were jelly of the PS ecosystem.
I didn't get that impression. Especially when they yet again doubled down on "It's a home console guys! Seriously! really!" stuff. :/
At least FE Heroes should do well for Nintendo.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
I'm on the opposite side. They've already made plenty of Fire Emblem for 3DS, they should be focused on Switch.
Did not expect that, is Dragon Ball Heroes still that popular? I mean, it's been almost 3 years since the last 3DS game.
This year is a soft-launch (the shipment figures they've noted, the screen estimates at 10m for the entire year, all of these signs point to a limited production), but the narrative is set: the 3DS is being sent off and the franchise is moving to Switch next year. Also the Gaiden game isn't going to perform like Awakening/Fates, and the 2012 (Awakening)/2015 (Fates)/2018 (Switch) timeline makes perfect sense for the next major entry to be the one coming to Switch. This Gaiden title is going to be a small mover and seemingly decided as not worth the time to port.
With FE:W in fall, the Switch continues to fill in gaps in its line-up for the year as well.
The only curiosity I still have is if the hardware itself is also simply slow. Tegra X1 is a easy to make chip, but, for instance, a slightly smaller Tegra X1 on 16nm w(c)ould be subject to yield problems.
And the mobile game is, as Nirolak noted, a entry that you'd expect of a top mobile dev, so we can see that Nintendo isn't afraid to transition into full mobile titles where they seem to think it fits a series. The title is tailor made for top earning if it catches on, and it also emphasizes lighter play sessions. Core fans are also now lined up with a 3DS title, a Warriors title, and a 2018 Switch title where the game play is to be more indepth and focused.
This Direct was pretty spot on, imo.
I think Bandai Namco may have realized this is their last shot at milking it. The arcade game use PS2 assets and kind of need a second screen.
I'll have to check but the dimensions probably haven't changed, so still pretty portable!
See my previous post.
Also
best selling PS4 games retail+digital, all rereleases
01. Final Fantasy XV - 922.779
02. Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain - 503.748
03. Persona 5 - 411.857
04. Grand Theft Auto V - 405.593
05. Knack - 401.579
06. Minecraft: PlayStation 4 Edition - 401.066
07. Dark Souls III - 397.487
08. Call of Duty: Black Ops III - 392.977
09. Dragon Quest Heroes: The World Tree's Woe and the Blight Below - 360.698
10. Yakuza 6: The Song of Life - 333.809
GTA V outsells Persona 5 (and the PS3 version of GTAIV) before the month is over and that game will just keep on going, wouldn't be surprised to see it above Metal Gear at some point too.
Should stay high on the list as well as the only PS4 game with the potential of selling more than 400k this year is Dragon Quest XI (that we know of)
This is very interesting also, best selling Ubisoft games in Japan
01. [PS3] Assassin's Creed II - 235.093
02. [PS4] Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Siege - 201.018
03. [PS4] Tom Clancy's The Division - 183.753
04. [PS3] Assassin's Creed - 182.286
05. [PS3] Assassin's Creed III - 136.794
Siege is one of the big success stories of the generation so far, right now the 21st best selling PS4 game in Japan and is among the big western sellers like Star Wars, Fallout, Uncharted and The Witcher (it'll outsell them all) and even above the new Call of Duty.
EA's still the biggest western publisher in Japan, soon Battlefield 1 will outsell Battlefield 4 and in turn become the best selling game in the series (without being sold at 500 yen) and the second biggest shooter on PS4 behind Black Ops III, it'll also end up outselling big Japanese games like Bloodborne and Dragon Quest Heroes II, and other games like Yakuza 6 and the first Dragon Quest Heroes won't be outselling it by much.
best selling PS4 games retail+digital, all rereleases
01. Final Fantasy XV - 922.779
02. Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain - 503.748
03. Persona 5 - 411.857
04. Grand Theft Auto V - 405.593
05. Knack - 401.579
06. Minecraft: PlayStation 4 Edition - 401.066
07. Dark Souls III - 397.487
08. Call of Duty: Black Ops III - 392.977
09. Dragon Quest Heroes: The World Tree's Woe and the Blight Below - 360.698
10. Yakuza 6: The Song of Life - 333.809
GTA V outsells Persona 5 (and the PS3 version of GTAIV) before the month is over and that game will just keep on going, wouldn't be surprised to see it above Metal Gear at some point too.
Should stay high on the list as well as the only PS4 game with the potential of selling more than 400k this year is Dragon Quest XI (that we know of)
This is very interesting also, best selling Ubisoft games in Japan
01. [PS3] Assassin's Creed II - 235.093
02. [PS4] Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Siege - 201.018
03. [PS4] Tom Clancy's The Division - 183.753
04. [PS3] Assassin's Creed - 182.286
05. [PS3] Assassin's Creed III - 136.794
Siege is one of the big success stories of the generation so far, right now the 21st best selling PS4 game in Japan and is among the big western sellers like Star Wars, Fallout, Uncharted and The Witcher (it'll outsell them all) and even above the new Call of Duty.
EA's still the biggest western publisher in Japan, soon Battlefield 1 will outsell Battlefield 4 and in turn become the best selling game in the series (without being sold at 500 yen) and the second biggest shooter on PS4 behind Black Ops III, it'll also end up outselling big Japanese games like Bloodborne and Dragon Quest Heroes II, and other games like Yakuza 6 and the first Dragon Quest Heroes won't be outselling it by much.
FE Heroes - Nintendo first powermove for the japanese market.
I would say it depends on the Pokemon Stars rumor and when the next mainline Animal Crossing is hitting...but yeah 3DS isnt gonna be replaced anytime soon.
I would say it depends on the Pokemon Stars rumor and when the next mainline Animal Crossing is hitting...but yeah 3DS isnt gonna be replaced anytime soon.
Nintendo is doing a great job of making Switch a completely redundant platform.
Honestly thinking this is the dedicated gaming system we'll see from them now.
Exterminieren
Banned
The fact they're not putting a bullet in the 3DS immediately is absolutely no surprise.
It always looked like they were slowly winding it down this year before transitioning the handheld franchises to the Switch, and it turns out that that's precisely what they're doing; the addition of a presumably-low budget Fire Emblem remake in no way changes that, and they've announced way ahead of time that the future of the series is to be found on the Switch. This is the first tangible move they've made to show that one of their stalwart handheld franchises is making the transition; the fact that they aren't immediately dropping the 3DS doesn't change that.
Also, just look at that Echoes footage; that would either look entirely unacceptable on a HD platform, or would require a lot more work than the project probably merits.
It always looked like they were slowly winding it down this year before transitioning the handheld franchises to the Switch, and it turns out that that's precisely what they're doing; the addition of a presumably-low budget Fire Emblem remake in no way changes that, and they've announced way ahead of time that the future of the series is to be found on the Switch. This is the first tangible move they've made to show that one of their stalwart handheld franchises is making the transition; the fact that they aren't immediately dropping the 3DS doesn't change that.
Also, just look at that Echoes footage; that would either look entirely unacceptable on a HD platform, or would require a lot more work than the project probably merits.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
The same way people feel about Switch as a home console lol
ArkhamFantasy
Member
Its very likely that a huge part of the Wii U audience are also 3DS owners, so that alone makes it a bit of an unfair comparison.
Also the hardware numbers alone dont tell the whole story. Were they selling for a profit? Whats the attach ratio? How many online subscriptions do they have? How many accessories did they sell? These are key questions that will determine whether the Switch is a success.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
I forgot about that SMT game. Seems like Nintendo and all major Japanese publishers are working under the assumption the 3DS is still the major platform hence MHXX etc. As far as support goes 3DS seems to still be getting a fairly substantial amount.
Delusibeta
Banned
Fire Emblem Echoes reminds me of Gran Turismo 6: it's a major exclusive that was released shortly after the platform in question got replaced, serving primarily as a bonus game for loyal owners of the replaced platform.
Of course, I do expect the 3DS to hang on substantially longer than the PS3 after getting replaced (especially in Japan), but still.
Of course, I do expect the 3DS to hang on substantially longer than the PS3 after getting replaced (especially in Japan), but still.
I'm not even sure it will do Wii U numbers at this point. Complete incompetence from Nintendo.
Maybe 20% of those Japanese Wii U owners dont have a 3DS. Probably fewer than that.
thestopsign
Member
It's not going to, so by that criteria it would definitely be a failure. I'm going to say it's a success if it does roughly PS3 or Wii levels.
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
Hm interesting... is it a new game? I wonder why they aren't just calling it 3...
Don't get too ahead of yourself... it's leading by a couple 100K right now, and there's no guarantee it'll last as long as PS3.
That's what I'm saying.
These models have less polygons than something like Pokemon (which would look good enough with just an uprez)
If they uprezzed Echoes (edit), there would be some backlash cause it'd be ugly. The work to make it not ugly might not be worth it.
What did the Wii do in Japan? I thought it sold far better than PS3?