hydrophilic attack
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I just realized something. If mid-gen refreshes are going to be the norm from now on, that means we'll get a period of battlefield threads like this every ~3 years instead of every ~6 years
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NeoGAF Post by Ori Dev: Scorpio is a "full blown next generation Console
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Hockeymac18
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How can it "stem the bleeding" if it was said before the article even came out?
Adam_Roman
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Hopefully this means by the time I get a 4K TV, the Xbox One S will drop in price so I can get an affordable 4K Bluray player.
Astral Dog
Member
We finally got past the era were consoles are RAM starved,now they are like CPU starved
That's the only way this would make sense.
That'd alienate all their Xbox one/S install base though. I don't have either, but if I did I'd be pissed if I couldn't play the new games (Scorpio exclusives).
RedAssedApe
Banned
didn't they sign something with ms and so are effectively first party?
Astral Dog
Member
Im just playing with ya ;P
Don Mattrick
My GTX 680 blew away the PS4 when it was announced. And since then I've replaced it with two cards, while enjoying every moment of my launch PS4. We'll never see a console with top of the line specs anymore.
Obliterator
Member
True we technically don't but if MS was going to put a new CPU in there I feel like we would have likely heard rumors about it by now. They can only do so much while keeping the price down. They are already adding 4 more GB of RAM and a 6TF GPU. There's only so much they can put in the box without driving the price up to a crazy amount
Jack The Nipper
Banned
That's what I had been assuming. Not that they are afraid to do it.
Basically.
InsaneTiger
Member
Exactly. People fail to realize the games will be the same just more in 4K. Okay, resolution will be diminishing returns .
Gemüsepizza
Member
Insulting other console - check. Making implausible claims about his favourite console - check. Reads like fanboy drivel.
A next gen console is a console which gets exclusive games which are developed from the ground up for this new system. This is not the case here, that's why Scorpio simply isn't a nextgen console.
Edit: And if he knew anything substantial, this would be subject to NDAs. Guy is just making stuff up.
A next gen console is a console which gets exclusive games which are developed from the ground up for this new system. This is not the case here, that's why Scorpio simply isn't a nextgen console.
Edit: And if he knew anything substantial, this would be subject to NDAs. Guy is just making stuff up.
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
Wow that "website" linked to in the op sure is a cesspool of NSFW ads...
Poimandres
Member
Thomas seems like a cool guy, and pretty open, so try and refrain from getting too personal about this.
Anyway, it's all a matter of perspective really. Scorpio can be a "full bown next gen console" or a "half assed upgrade" depending on how you look at things. If it really is 6tf, that's a pretty substantial upgrade over the OG XB1. But, it's not a huge upgrade over the PS4 Pro. But the gap in power between OG XB1 > Scorpio is much larger than the gap from PS4 > PS4 Pro. So, in essence Scoprio is all things to all people depending on how you view it.
Personally, I would only think of it as a true next gen machine if it has exclusive games that only run on the Scorpio. Anything else and it's just a half upgrade similar to the Pro in my mind.
Anyway, it's all a matter of perspective really. Scorpio can be a "full bown next gen console" or a "half assed upgrade" depending on how you look at things. If it really is 6tf, that's a pretty substantial upgrade over the OG XB1. But, it's not a huge upgrade over the PS4 Pro. But the gap in power between OG XB1 > Scorpio is much larger than the gap from PS4 > PS4 Pro. So, in essence Scoprio is all things to all people depending on how you view it.
Personally, I would only think of it as a true next gen machine if it has exclusive games that only run on the Scorpio. Anything else and it's just a half upgrade similar to the Pro in my mind.
Is it a new gen console though? I mean it's a leap above the original xbone but it's only a step or two above the PS4 pro and both consoles regardless above what kinda power they have are tied to whatever the original consoles are running. So resolution and maybe frame rate are gonna be better but not any thing really substantial.
CrimsonEclipse
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I don't think so, I know Ori is developed by them which I think is an MS ip. If anything they might be considered more of 2nd party than they are first party.
Though, maybe I am wrong.....
Jacksinthe
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So... Xbox has gone from suck to blow *gasp*
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Yeah I agree. I can understand the confusion I guess, but looking at their plan, they mean hardware.
It's funny because before the X1 and PS4 came out and stuff started leaking, when I thought of what next gen meant I thought of better graphics and new software features for the consoles, while hoping my older games would be playable on them.
I hoped we wouldn't get cut off, for at least a while, but getting cut off is what a lot of people are thinking of when they hear "next gen".
MADGAME
Member
Now you're starting to describe my life.
Right, but this is more like a jump from a 750 ti to a 1070. You reach a point where the 750 ti won't meet the minimum spec for what devs are trying to do. Eventually they will phase out the xbox one is my thinking.
Exactly. I just hope MS picks the right way and supports all games. UWP might come in handy? Sonys approach is exactly what he said, half-assed.
Pretty sure they'll follow an Apple-style model where there is software support for a few refresh cycles, slowly transitioning to the next thing and thus also moving the upper limit to make room for more advanced tech in games.
E: yup, what poster above said
They're as much of a first party for Microsoft as FromSoft is for Sony/Bloodborne
If its handcuffed to the XBone it cant be "full blown next gen" If so it will be another 180/backpedal, and look at how that turn out for them
Quantic Dream may be a better example
Quantic Dream may be a better example
longdi
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Spencer was in charge of talking to game developers, you know . The pinning all blame on mattrick is silly
This goes against all messaging from Microsoft and his comparison makes no sense. He sounds like a fanboy who does not want to admit that the Pro and Scorpio are iterative updates to consoles from this generation.
If I am Microsoft I'd tell this guy to zip it. A lot of people would not be happy if they thought their Ones and One Ses are not going to be able to play upcoming games. Because Microsoft absolutely plans to preserve all three platforms. They can't afford another PR disaster over a misunderstanding on the level of "doesn't play used games."
If I am Microsoft I'd tell this guy to zip it. A lot of people would not be happy if they thought their Ones and One Ses are not going to be able to play upcoming games. Because Microsoft absolutely plans to preserve all three platforms. They can't afford another PR disaster over a misunderstanding on the level of "doesn't play used games."
Not NSFW for me. There's something called incognito mode fyi. You must have been looking at ... something, and not cleared your browser history.
Sure, but Mattrick was the face of Xbox when the console was announced and it will always be pinned back to some of his comments during the reveal.
A mistake (mostly).
But also, how listening to your users can make a disastrous product pretty good.
Also, some good games. Halo 5, FH3, Sunset Overdrive, Titanfall 1 come to mind
Xbox 360 software emulation running so well is also some wizardry.
Also, not "done"
Xbox One S is probably the best looking Xbox hardware (so far)
Xbox Elite Controller is one of the best controllers of all time
RedAssedApe
Banned
just going off what the internets/wikis say. someone needs to scrube those pages if its incorrect
Yeah I know. I just do miss those days when a new console meant it was the best thing on the market, even PC's. At least at the start. Makes for excitement.
[strikeWikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_Studios
edit: Nevermind, that wikipedia shit is wrong, following the link it says this:
https://refinedgeekery.com/2015/03/16/getting-to-know-moon-studios/
Much cooler.
No one will care by 2019/2020. They won't phase it out right away, but eventually.
That will be a full 6 years for xbox one, which is more than enough. They killed the xbox in only 4 years.
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
Spec wise for a closed box everything is nice bump for the PS4 Pro and a really healthy jump for the Xbone.
CPU is still a wild card though, and it's an obvious bottleneck for the Pro.
That being said once you get over the X times jump ie something has to be X times better than something else and look at the proposed numbers going from sub 2 TF to 6(+?)TF in a closed system is quiet a power lift.
CPU is still a wild card though, and it's an obvious bottleneck for the Pro.
That being said once you get over the X times jump ie something has to be X times better than something else and look at the proposed numbers going from sub 2 TF to 6(+?)TF in a closed system is quiet a power lift.
You're saying this backwards you should frame it as there will supposedly be no Scorpio exclusives not no Xbox One exclusives.
Yeah, I read the link and was editing that in when you posted this.
wild wild rice
Member
This is what I'm thinking. Seems like the thing barely got off the ground.
Obliterator
Member
Hardware wise other than the CPU yeah the Scorpio is very very close to being a generation jump over the standard Xbone.
The issue though is without having games built from the ground up for it and what seems to be basically a focus on resolution increase I don't think we can really call it one
It's not like MS is even zipping up their own employes from talking weird stuff.
http://kotaku.com/how-a-small-game-studio-almost-made-it-big-1696997142
Never forget.
By then, when they can do that, the Scorpio may be the "Wii U" of Next Gen consoles though. So what would be the point
UrrrGHHHHHHH
Not the friggin Spencer and Mattrick blame game again
They're BOTH responsible, and many more are. As a matter of fact Ballmers responsible, Yusuf Mehdi is responsible, that watercooler lady is responsible, the Kinect audience is responsible. Phil Harrison's hunger for micro transactions was responsible, the shareholders were responsible.
It was a collaborative effort of shit, but it all had to go through one man and one man alone
And yes, it was ol' Donny.
I don't want to see another argument about this but I'm going to lol
Ha yeah, loved that the Wikipedia citation directly leads to a source that says the exact opposite of what was said on the Wiki page.