Until we have comparisons, we dont know what the real world difference will be. Flops is just theoretical peak performance, what performance is actually reached most of the time depends on a ton of variables.
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NeoGAF Post by Ori Dev: Scorpio is a "full blown next generation Console
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The question isn't whether Scorpio will play XB1 games which is a a given, I mean MS have done commendable work making XB1 BC with 360. The question is whether XB1 can play Scorpio games. If it can't , well, MS pulled an OG Xbox move... Scorpio will be big like the 360 confirmed.
depths20XX
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First of all, no.
Secondly, Scorpio is DOA so none of this matters.
Secondly, Scorpio is DOA so none of this matters.
get2sammyb
Member
There's no third-party publisher or developer on God's green Earth who's going to favour supporting the zero units install base of the Scorpio over the 50 million PS4s and 30 million Xbox Ones already on the market. There's no demand to start a clean, new generation yet.
OverBlood 3
Banned
None of this really matters unless they can get some games made on the thing.
Not sure why anyone would want to start making games solely for a new Xbox when there's already one on the market with a user base.
Not sure why anyone would want to start making games solely for a new Xbox when there's already one on the market with a user base.
statham
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360 got RotTR, Titanfall and Forza Horizon 2 to play nicely with 1/16 of the ram and 1/6 the gpu power. It'll be fine.
Well, none of us know that, right?
While I'm not interested in a brand new set of consoles just yet that's not say there's not people out their champing at the bit for it.
Last_colossi
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User123456
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Full blown next gen system in 2017 coming with half assed 2013 laptop CPU.
Not buying it.
Not buying it.
get2sammyb
Member
I meant from the industry. I've no doubt there are a few million uber-hardcore gamers who'd be there day one for a new-gen console, but I don't get the impression that publishers are ready to start over again.
Forearm Star
Member
Curious, but didn't they say at the initial Scorpio reveal that devs had the option of using the specs to make games exclusive for the Scorpio?
I thought I remembered hearing that but I could be wrong.
Edit - Nevermind found the interview where it was said, but has since been debunked. What a horrible slip that must have been.
I thought I remembered hearing that but I could be wrong.
Edit - Nevermind found the interview where it was said, but has since been debunked. What a horrible slip that must have been.
Are we already counting this as a fact?
hydrophilic attack
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If this is truly a new generation, this should not be celebrated. If so it likely means that all games on the Scorpio successor need to be able to run on Scorpio just like Scorpio games need to run XBO. If rumoured specs are true this means that games need to support the Jaguar CPU (which many thought too weak already in 2013) in 2020+ This will severely limit stuff like ai in games going forward.
There are two scenarios:
1) There is no real qualitative difference between Pro and Scorpio and this is nothing more than marketspeak. If so the answer to your question is loyalty to the one who pays your bills and/or fanboyism
2) There is a real qualitative difference in that all games on Microsoft's PS5 competitor needs to run the Scorpio. If so the difference between the Pro and the Scorpio is that the Scorpio's 2013 CPU will hold games back way into the 2020s while the Pro's will not
There are two scenarios:
1) There is no real qualitative difference between Pro and Scorpio and this is nothing more than marketspeak. If so the answer to your question is loyalty to the one who pays your bills and/or fanboyism
2) There is a real qualitative difference in that all games on Microsoft's PS5 competitor needs to run the Scorpio. If so the difference between the Pro and the Scorpio is that the Scorpio's 2013 CPU will hold games back way into the 2020s while the Pro's will not
PackAPunchedMick
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Won't the extra 1.8t (compared to PS4 Pro) of gfx power be used for rendering all games at 4k?
The difference in geometry, frame rate, visual effects etc. will be minimal.
The difference in geometry, frame rate, visual effects etc. will be minimal.
I expect different modes like the PS4 Pro enhanced games are sporting. So at 1080p modes I guess some things will look/run better on Scorpio.
Jack The Nipper
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Yeah, I think you'll be wrong here.
Seems extremely premature to assume the second, considering the Scorpio isn't even out yet. I guess it's possible that Microsoft has intimated to developers that this will be true, but well, things can change. Just look at the Xbox roadmap leak prior to the Xbox One reveal.
Would love for Thomas to articulate himself the reasons why the PS4 Pro is half-assed and Scorpio is next-gen. Unless I already missed it somewhere?
I'd be curious to hear his reasoning though... Sounds rather far fetched to say the least.
Bits N Pieces
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So the difference between a Pro and Scorpio is about an OG PS4 compared to a 0.4TF difference between the XB1 abd PS4?
I know the difference might be around 40%+ in both scenarios but surely you can do a lot more with 1.8TF than you can 0.4TF?
PackAPunchedMick
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Microsoft dropped the ball when stating all games will be native 4k. A lot of wasted resources, that extra 1.8t will be gobbled up in no time.
Obviously. But when those TFLOPS are put to work on pushing a higher resolution, native, checkerboarded or for downscaling to 1080p, i'd wager the end results are going to end up pretty similar either way. The Pro's checkerboarding solution has been met with very positive responses. Scorpio will just be even crisper.
Theslammer
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With how much longer it takes to make games, it would be a rip to have a five year console cycle as if we were in the PS1 days.
hydrophilic attack
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haven't they since said devs are free to do whatever with the extra power and don't necessarily have to use it to hit native 4k
Possumowner
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Sooooooo the hype train is either still on,or stuck at the station...I'm even more confused now.I hope E3 brings us more clarification
Yes. It was only Shannon Loftis who said Microsoft's first party games would be native 4K, but nothing about a 4K mandate for other developers/publishers.
https://www.engadget.com/2016/09/19/microsoft-project-scorpio-games-run-in-true-4k/
"Next gen" is an entirely different thing. It's a new cycle of games developed to new hardware. If games are still developed directly to the PS4 and One, it's exactly like the Pro - just a hardware upgrade for the same gen.
And I don't think devs will develop directly to the Scorpio because it won't be profitable.
And I don't think devs will develop directly to the Scorpio because it won't be profitable.
More difference, but the thing is Wii had exclusive software, so it was a new gen.
Scorpio wouldn't.
If Scorpio is like the Pro vs PS4 jump then the difference is not enough to warrant me buying one
If Scorpio is a goddamn beast I want games that will maximise its potential without XB1 holding it back, in relation to more than just resolution and frame rate.
It's a tricky one in relation to developers / consumers and feel MS are lagging software wise this year vs Sony. In retaliation, they just seem to be saying 'moaaar power'.
That fundamentally won't help them.
If Scorpio is a goddamn beast I want games that will maximise its potential without XB1 holding it back, in relation to more than just resolution and frame rate.
It's a tricky one in relation to developers / consumers and feel MS are lagging software wise this year vs Sony. In retaliation, they just seem to be saying 'moaaar power'.
That fundamentally won't help them.
hydrophilic attack
Member
with how far ahead sony is in the market they are free to set the terms
Five years is when people are ready and for some reason the industry has forgotten that. MS would have been better served to wait another year, get Vega/zen and launch a next gen console in 2018 with something around 10TF that's actually VR and 4k capable.
I'd be ok with this.
In Service
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This. 14 pages and here we are. I have a ticket for the train but am no longer sure of the destination.
We talk about it because it's opinion but we really need more hard facts before forming conclusions.
I'm still getting one.
dragonyeuw
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Hard to believe this movie is 20 years old this year.
fast_taker
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I was excited when I first saw Scorpio specs but I have just ordered a gaming PC 
PackAPunchedMick
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I, and many others have assumed that the "true 4k" statement from Microsoft meant all games on the system would run at that resolution.
If not, then what makes it any different than Sony's offering?
hydrophilic attack
Member
it's around 40-50 % more powerful just like the PS4 was over og xbo
expect the differences between scorpio and pro on a 4k screen to be on the same order of magnitude as the diffencess between og ps4 and xbo on a 1080 screen
RowdyReverb
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Is the current gen of consoles truly weak enough to "hold back" Scorpio from being a generational leap?
Bits N Pieces
Member
We've been downgraded from the hype train to the moderately excited bus.
This GIF was almost perfect, lol.
Banjo-Kazooie
Member
Well damn, pack it up here folks
EventHorizon
Member
It'll be less than that. You get diminishing returns as you go to higher and higher resolutions. We've already seen it with the Digital Foundry's reviews of the PS4 Pro. They repeatedly say that image compromises that would look bad at 1080p work perfectly fine at 4k because it's much harder to see the imperfections at the higher resolution.
His statement is slightly ironic given he's cautioning for clarity while making a post that's likely to contribute to the opposite and confuses things vs MS own statements.
And "half assed"? Whatever happened to professional manners?
I agree with him though: MS do need to be clear on messaging. That said I think they're going to straddle the fence until they see how the market reacts.
If Scorpio is received as high end model they'll probably stick with original messaging and focus on building best install base they can with it and XB1 and look to distance themselves fully from XB1 next release after Scorpio.
If it looks like it could drive a new gen "what the hell is a gen really anyway?" then they'll take that stance and throw XB1 under the bus as fast as they can without alienating current user base (maybe faster but I'd hope they'd honour statements made but they've shown they'll be ruthless with current install base/hardware when it suits them)
If its somewhere in the middle they'll go for different messaging per demographic and hope to keep things as clear as possible.
I do wonder with recent leak if this is all a "testing the waters" with various statements/info leaks to gauge the market reaction?
And "half assed"? Whatever happened to professional manners?
I agree with him though: MS do need to be clear on messaging. That said I think they're going to straddle the fence until they see how the market reacts.
If Scorpio is received as high end model they'll probably stick with original messaging and focus on building best install base they can with it and XB1 and look to distance themselves fully from XB1 next release after Scorpio.
If it looks like it could drive a new gen "what the hell is a gen really anyway?" then they'll take that stance and throw XB1 under the bus as fast as they can without alienating current user base (maybe faster but I'd hope they'd honour statements made but they've shown they'll be ruthless with current install base/hardware when it suits them)
If its somewhere in the middle they'll go for different messaging per demographic and hope to keep things as clear as possible.
I do wonder with recent leak if this is all a "testing the waters" with various statements/info leaks to gauge the market reaction?
Banjo-Kazooie
Member
Man people really take things and put their own spin in it.
All they said was it would deliver true 4K gaming. As long as ONE game does that then it's technically correct haha.
Their white pages said that devs can use resources however they please much like the Pro