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Netflix's Iron Fist Previews

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Figboy79

Aftershock LA
I liked Diamondback. Lol.

I enjoy a little ham with my villains, especially if the show is heavy in other areas. The Purple Man in Jessica Jones was absolutely terrifying all around, however. Loved it.

Cage is a pretty stoic dude, so having him go up against his opposite I felt worked.
 

Kin5290

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While I stand by my statement that Gotham has had the highest high this season
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Arrow has definitely solidified its season as the best especially after dat reveal.


(Though Johnny Blaze Ghost Rider was the 2nd highest)
Please don't tell me that's supposed to be the Joker.
 

Figboy79

Aftershock LA
Please don't tell me that's supposed to be the Joker.

He's not, but he's fantastic in the "faux-Joker" role he has.

Gotham is a show, for me, that started out as a dumpster fire, with Jada Pinkett being the only reason I watched, then something weird happened, and Season 3 became something entertaining. Season 2 was ass too, though. The show embraced some things, dropped some other things, and is at least fun to watch now. It also has the benefit of having at least two or three likable and/or interesting characters (i.e., The Penguin, and The Riddler). With that said, it's still a fairly average, if watchable show. I haven't seen the rest of this season, as there are so many other high quality shows to watch.
 

Averon

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Are the fights good, a least? Because if they can't get the fights right in a show about mystic martial artists, then I'm out.
 
I'm Puerto Rican and don't speak a lick of spanish, don't know my people's culture all that well, and never visited the island for more than a day. I don't consider Puerto Rico to be my home, in fact the days I set foot on the island I considered myself a foreigner. The whole "fish out of water" trope isn't just exclusive to white people.

This speaks to me a lot. I'm Asian and so are most of my friends and only a few of us have actually traveled to where our parents are from. The few of us that have, seem to get met with the same complaints from family members. Why can't he speak more Chinese/Vietnamese/Korean, etc. Why is he so Americanized, why doesn't he know this or know that.

I'm sure a lot of Asian Americans can relate being with a group of relatives all speaking to you in another language that you're supposed to know, but all you can do is mostly understand it, nod and speak broken sentences that are a mashup of English and whatever else. I don't feel at home whenever I go to Asia, I like an outsider. I feel at home whenever I'm, you know, at home. In America.

That being said, I could care less that they didn't decide to cast Danny Rand as Asian.
 

Kin5290

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This speaks to me a lot. I'm Asian and so are most of my friends and only a few of us have actually traveled to where our parents are from. The few of us that have, seem to get met with the same complaints from family members. Why can't he speak more Chinese/Vietnamese/Korean, etc. Why is he so Americanized, why doesn't he know this or know that.

I'm sure a lot of Asian Americans can relate being with a group of relatives all speaking to you in another language that you're supposed to know, but all you can do is mostly understand it, nod and speak broken sentences that are a mashup of English and whatever else. I don't feel at home whenever I go to Asia, I like an outsider. I feel at home whenever I'm, you know, at home. In America.
I'm an ABC, and basically this.

Going to Hong Kong and meeting extended family I don't know and who only speak Cantonese is quite the experience.

I didn't really care that Danny Rand is white. An Asian American Danny Rand would be be great and would be able to tell stories that have rarely been told before. Still, a white Danny Rand would still be acceptable if 1) the actor was able to deliver on the martial arts acumen, and 2) the writers' room were able to tone down on the racist, Mighty Whitey aspects of the premise of Iron Fist, including presenting Asian/Asian-American characters who are just as competent as he is. Judging from reviews, the show fails miserably on both counts. Also, apparently Colleen is the only "good guy" Asian character in the first 6 episodes and she's the hero's love interest. I'm not sure if you can double down harder on "Awful Orientalist Mighty Whitey Tropes" without breaking out the yellowface.

Also, there are a number of reviews that mention that Jones acts as Danny Rand like a white college student who took a gap year to travel Asia, took up Tai Chi, and now knows things, man.
 
From the io9 review.

WOW. I can't believe they actually went there.

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THIS SHOW WAS A SLAM DUNK, SCOTT, HOW DID YOU FUCK IT UP, YOU CUNT. IT WRITES ITSELF. IT WRITES ITSELF.
Looks like not only am I not going to watch this show, I'm going to tell others to do the same.

This bothers me to no ends as an Asian.
 
Also, what's with the JJ and Cage hate? Those shows were really good, if flawed. I loved them. Daredevil season 2 was mostly good, like 90% good, with a few weak moments. Overall, the four seasons of Netflix TV released so far has been damn good tv. I'm going to watch Iron Fist for myself, because I like to make up my own mind about shit, but I never went in expecting much to begin with.

Because this is the internet, and by law the internet can only have two emotions: Love and Hate. Decent, mediocre, ok, or average does not make for funny comments.
 

TB14

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DD S2 isn't considered to be bad so yes, Iron Fist certainly looks to be worse.

I thought it was great for the first 3 or 4 episodes. However, after that it really fell apart. They tried to do too much at once and lost focus. Resulting in the season feeling rushed and disjointed. Each story arc, Punisher and The Hand, should've had its own season.

High hopes for The Punisher with Steve Lightfoot (Hannibal) on-board, though.
 

duckroll

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After Daredevil, how could they fuck up the fighting in their show specifically about a martial arts superhero?

The showrunner for The Defenders is the same for Daredevil S2, so at the very least Iron First might get the "Russo" treatment (aka better director doing the character better)

Maybe. But even then Daredevil S2 was wildly inconsistent. The ninja fights were much worse than S1, the final rooftop battle was a huge joke (wtf happened there?!), but at the same time the Punisher stuff was really well done and the prison scene was top tier. I just want them to... try harder in general. It feels like the success of Daredevil S1 went to everyone's heads and it's been downhill since then.
 

Prompto

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Maybe. But even then Daredevil S2 was wildly inconsistent. The ninja fights were much worse than S1, the final rooftop battle was a huge joke (wtf happened there?!), but at the same time the Punisher stuff was really well done and the prison scene was top tier. I just want them to... try harder in general. It feels like the success of Daredevil S1 went to everyone's heads and it's been downhill since then.
Punisher series will save Netflix Marvel, I'm telling you.
 

Syrus

Banned
Maybe. But even then Daredevil S2 was wildly inconsistent. The ninja fights were much worse than S1, the final rooftop battle was a huge joke (wtf happened there?!), but at the same time the Punisher stuff was really well done and the prison scene was top tier. I just want them to... try harder in general. It feels like the success of Daredevil S1 went to everyone's heads and it's been downhill since then.


While some say dd2 was bad or lukr cage was bad. All of them are better then everything else on TV
 
While some say dd2 was bad or lukr cage was bad. All of them are better then everything else on TV
Let's not get too crazy. They're good shows (well 2/3rds of a good show with DD S2 and 1/2 wth LC), but they're nowhere near Fargo, Americans, Game of Thrones, Westworld, etc tier
 

Kaizer

Banned
So in lieu of the universal bad reviews........anybody still plan on checking this out? Even if it's horrible, I still have to see it until I can't handle the boredom.
 

kunonabi

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So in lieu of the universal bad reviews........anybody still plan on checking this out? Even if it's horrible, I still have to see it until I can't handle the boredom.

Yeah, I'm still going to watch it. Probably take me longer to get through it than usual though.
 

Order

Member
Everything about this show looked like a shittier Arrow S1.

This show was supposed be to be the most experimental one but they just had to be massive cowards and make it generic.
 

duckroll

Member
It's not hard to think that Marvel Netflix shows are the best things on television when it's the only thing you watch on television. Lmao.
 
Iron Fist is not the strongest of its siblings, but team dynamics being what they are, it’ll no doubt benefit from the association. There will be plenty of folks out there who watch the show to keep up with the overall plot of the Marvel Netflix shows, and to see how Iron Fist presumably sets up for The Defenders later this year. Unfortunately, I can’t say at the moment that there are other reasons to binge.
this is pretty much why i'm watching it
 
You know as a black guy that honestly has no dog in the fight here I got to say that this is a very weird situation. Either you change Danny and make him asian and risk being called racist because he is a Asian guy doing martial arts. Or stick with the source material and keep him white. Well clearly keeping him white wasn't the right answer but idk what you would do in this situation. They kinda wrote themselves into a damned if you do. Damned if you don't situation.

Maybe the best answer was to make a good show lol. I'll watch it either way because marvel has me by the balls but I worry for my sanity watching this one.
 
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