To hardcore who play a lot of games and very often, it's really important, even a purchasing decision as you mentioned.
It's just that the larger user base is more causal in game time. Often buying only a few yearly franchise games a year and GTA for the entire generation. These types of gamers are simply not going back and playing older titles, and they make up a bulk of the user base. It's a fine line with talking about b/c importance. It's not irrelevant, but it is kinda, lol. Hardcore get too bent out of shape when people dismiss it, just like so many on this forum almost saying the 'arrogant Sony is back' with how they handled PS2 emulation and the no UBD drive in Pro. You have to look at things in the correct perspective.
Also, I think Sony can hit closer to PS2 numbers if they can get PS4 down to even $150. That type of price-point is just a new territory for so many different regions of the world.
That's awesome, my guess is after Knack 2 PS4 will reach 100 millions with no sweat.I'd like to remind everyone that these numbers are BEFORE Knack 2 released.
That's awesome, my guess is after Knack 2 PS4 will reach 100 millions with no sweat.
I estimate about the same, 102-105m by March 31st 2020.I think it is safe to say that PS4 will push above 102M in 2019, making the PS4 the second best selling home console of all time [surpasing PS1]. IMO, PS5 will arrive in late 2019, but of course PS4 should continue to sell a bit more after that.
Does anyone has any numbers about the worldwide sales of PS3 after PS4 arrived?
It started here:Oh, my aplogies, I missed the comment.
But what was it though? Because to be honest, these are the best console gaming-related profits I've probably ever seen. If somebody was attempting to downplay even that, I'm in for a good laugh lol
how can you say that?
do you know what the xbox one would have sold without BC?
do you know if people are now more or less invested and stuck in the ecosystem or not?
how do you measure that without all the engagement data only MS has?
but we know what games people play and buy.
and to say something like that is irrelevant is ridiculous
imagine you can't play Dota on Steam anymore
imagine you can't play Overwatch and RDR2 online on Ps5 anymore
sure people will love that
10 years ago single player games were the most sold and played ones
today it's long lasting multiplayer focused games you play for years over and over again because they're constantly updated
I'd say it can be a valuable bulletpoint during the launch of a new gen: "well d'oh I've got 50 PS4 games on my PSN account and 0 on my Xbox, I'll go with the PS5, as long as it isn't a piece of garbage compared to whatever MS offers"
"hmm I've got 50 PSN games and 0 Xbox, but I'll lose them all whatever console I buy next. Xbox is pretty good, cheaper than PS5 and they don't take your old games away, even better they'll look and perform better, I'll switch to the box!"
Imho PS5 has to be backwards compatible from the start, so that their customers don't even think about switching. It definitely isn't a vital feature, but I think it can be pretty valuable.
After March 2017? It has to be close or above 30 million. You way low balling it.My estimate.
26.5-28.5m
They are at 16.5m in US.After March 2017? It has to be close or above 30 million. You way low balling it.
Yeah, I'm fairly "hardcore" and I use that word loosely here (a gamer that only plays COD & BF but for 1000 hours in Hardcore too) and I hardly ever go back to older games unless they are remastered and my absolute favorite experiences.I buy most games day 1 and don't care at all about bc. I have a launch ps3 with full bc and I tried a couple of games day one and then never again since.
Things look bleak for MS this holiday though... a lot of people on Gaf seem to think it'll be a generation reset where MS will simply start winning because they have the more powerful box that will be "the best place to play the big AAA 3rd party titles"... but all those third party titles have exclusive marketing agreements with Sony. Microsoft literally can't even mention Call of Duty, Battlefront 2, Red Dead, Destiny, etc's names in their marketing. That's not even getting into the likely price drops and bundles Sony will likely deploy simultaneously with Scorpio.
Yup. I think it's only accessible with a vita though.
If player 1 logs in via Remote play and then a controller is turned on the player with the ds4 gets robot Knack who is invincible and quite game breaking haha.
Just as a heads up, with 3 million sold to customers last quarter(January, February, March), they are still selling a million PS4's a month.
That's insane 3 years after launch.
Hmmm, I've got 50 PSN games, and I can't play any of them on PS5. But I can play a ton of 360, XB1 games for super cheap on XB2!"
This is said every generation yet the reality is people don't really care about BC. The evidence for this is clear.
For the PS5 they just need to ensure it's powerful, affordable, and easy to develop for with world clasd dev tools (all things they've succeeded in this gen). They also need to continue to foster good relations with developers.
Hmmm, I've got 50 PSN games, and I can't play any of them on PS5. But I can play a ton of 360, XB1 games for super cheap on XB2!"
Few? Gravity Rush 2, NiOh, Horizon, two KH collection, tales of berseria, Yakuza 0 and MLB 17.Well, Q1 had many awesome games, including few exclusives.
I'd say nothing is quite a given. I hope for BC, but if it turned out to compromise the next design in some significant way - specifically in terms of PS5 game performance at a given price point - Sony might sacrifice it. I think that's less likely to be necessary than it was in the PS3->PS4 transition, but I wouldn't rule it out entirely yet,
The ~2:1 ratio of PS4:Xbox One worldwide has been maintained, even after those 4 months (July-Oct) of Xbox One/S outselling PS4 last year in NA.
It was acceptable for PS3 because of the architecture making it impossible for PS4 to emulate it because of its relative weakness.
I think Sony does need BC at this stage however with digital and ecosystem becoming more important going forward.
MS are going all in on that front and Sony have to take some notes on how MS do things on that front.
If PS5 is exceptionally powerful, a PS3 emulator would should also be considered.
Not sure. They expect lower shipments and increased profits. Not sure that lines up with price drops on the Slim. Maybe the Pro.
Also is Sony or Nintendo close to making an Apple like announcement of "We've now sold 1 billion phones."
Well I believe in normal months Sony sells avg. 900k PS4... my view about that didn't changed since 2014.Just as a heads up, with 3 million sold to customers last quarter(January, February, March), they are still selling a million PS4's a month.
That's insane 3 years after launch.
I think that's exactly what it is. They're going to continue to maximize profits and let the games push the platform. Given the releases it's a solid planPhenomenal performance. Interesting Sony is anticipating PS4 down YoY despite the huge release slate. Wonder if that rules out any significant price drops
Yeah was thinking about the US:WW ratio. I just didn't realize that they were still around 16.5 million in US. Emerging (developing...rolls eyes) world is doing wonders for Sony this generation when Japan is apathetic towards home consoles and US is virtually a 50:50 split. Now to open studious in China and Latin America, see what those guys can do when they are not working on creating assets for other developers.They are at 16.5m in US.
I can't see they crossing 30m yet... and Jan-Mar Sales combined were probably around 1m. I estimated ~26.5m at end of the year with NPD at 15.7m.
I'm using 58-60% of WW sales being US that is really high compared with early XB1 sales... that put me at the optimistic side.
... P5.Few? Gravity Rush 2, NiOh, Horizon, two KH collection, tales of berseria, Yakuza 0 and MLB 17.
It was pretty busy to me.
Few?... P5.
My wallet still crying.
Bit calmer now, but still a few to come between now and late summer.
Assuming both companies hit their target, does thst put PS4 ahead of the 3DS by the end of next March?
Hmmm, I've got 50 PSN games, and I can't play any of them on PS5. But I can play a ton of 360, XB1 games for super cheap on XB2!"
The Earthquake kinda screwed them, but I am still baffled by aggressive forcast. I mean good for them, but damn some of the turn around, like in Semiconductors, they are expecting is kind of insane.Disappointing to see yoy decreases in op income, especially given such large impacts of foreign exchanges last year compared to this year., but still good to see numbers in the positive as opposed to loses.
At this point Sony should just do BC in PS5 or we are never going to hear the end of "unforced error". Their internal calculation on this might be that they lose certain percentage of market share in the US, but it's not going to matter in rest of world. At which point they get to sell older games as remaster at full price, which might be more profitable for them. Lower hardware numbers in US versus profitable reselling of older games. Of course reduction in PS+ revenue due to lower hardware sells in US is also important to consider.BC is a nice feature.
But it increase console sales? No. Nobody buy a new console to play old games... he can stay playing the old console without waste a $... you only buy new console to play new games or at least better graphics of new cross gen games.
But it increase revenue? No. It is the opposite... if you have BC you will probably wait more to buy a new game for your new console... while without BC you will probably something to pass the time until the blockbusters.
It is a feature that I want, you want and everybody wants but in a business perspective it is really a waste unless you want to make me, you and everybody happy (like MS needed to create peace with fans).
It did not sell games and the profit is too low to cover how they affect the profit of new games.
Early adopters (these that buy consoles in the first months) are all starving for new games to show off his new purchase... not BC.
$3.43bn in Q4 FY2016.What was the gaming divisions profits in USD including PSN?
Yes it does. If PS5 doesnt play my entire PS4 catalogue from the get go I'm not buying it. Period.I don't think anyone is arguing its not a great feature, it just doesn't sell consoles.
Yes it does. If PS5 doesnt play my entire PS4 catalogue from the get go I'm not buying it. Period.
Yes it does. If PS5 doesnt play my entire PS4 catalogue from the get go I'm not buying it. Period.
The key word is should, which is why I'd refuse to buy a PS5 if it lacked BC, because then it's just Sony being petty. I completely understand PS4s lack of BC, but the next system requires it, IMO.Of course people mean in the general consumer context. It's a great feature but not a main driver in console sales.
And with these iterative consoles BC should be here to stay.
Oh I'd like to see that. Link?Dont have numbers but few millions could be possible.
Boyes confirmed recently that ps3 outsold 360....but thats not saying much about total sales.
Do you really need a new system to play games from old system? I think it is fair to say you don't need to buy PS5 until there are a new game you really wish to play.The key word is should, which is why I'd refuse to buy a PS5 if it lacked BC, because then it's just Sony being petty. I completely understand PS4s lack of BC, but the next system requires it, IMO.