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[timetokill]

I suppose mod could roll at random to kill someone if a kill was required for some reason in the game design.

Palmer: I'll put it together today.

I guess we'll have to wait for Sophia, but even this doesn't make sens from a design perspective. It would be taking away game choices for no real discernable gain.

 

[hey_monkey]

I guess we'll have to wait for Sophia, but even this doesn't make sens from a design perspective. It would be taking away game choices for no real discernable gain.

No, I agree, it would keep the game moving at pace but not for cause. Just random useless speculation until or unless Sophia weighs in.

 

[Palmer_v1]

Oh....

I mean, why would it be different? It would be impossible.

Otherwise scum could hold up the game indefinitely by simply not submitting a kill.

Sorry, as a game designer it makes no sense to require scum to submit a kill.

It can stall a game indefinitely at 3v1 if you don't require kills.

 

[Palmer_v1]

I should explain I guess, cause something something meta.

Basically at 3v1, it's often in town's interest to no lynch. They have a 1/3 chance of lynching scum, and if they fail, scum wins on the NK.

If you no lynch, scum has to kill someone, sending them into a 2v1 final day, which gives town 50/50 odds. If scum can opt to skip the kill, it's in their best interest to do so, and now we're forever locked into 3v1.

Thus, SOP should be to force scum to take their NK each night.

 

[Dr. Worm]

if you doubt me, find someone else who's bulletproof

 

[Sophia]

Sophia, does the scum team have to submit a kill each night, or can they opt to skip it?

I cannot answer this.



Day 5 votes


dr. worm (1)
timetokill 3565

nomadic sparks (2)
launchpadmcq 3589
stanleypalmtree 3614

timetokill (2)
dr. worm 3633
hey_monkey 3634

An up to date vote count can be found here

Majority is 7

Day 5 ends in:

Reminder: Starting from Night 5, we will be speeding up the pace of the game. Nights will be 24 hours long, and Days will be 48 hours long.

 

[acohrs]

Surprised by bbs flip, but oh well must solider on. Looking at the voting for B&B trying to think which could be scum is tough.

Could say that the most suspicious to me are Stan and Dr but that's the kind of thinking that led me to think BB was scum and that didn't work out the way I planned. Think i need a rethink now.

Not sure about a nomadic sparks lynch, can see the reasons for it but they don't sway me. Think scum will be the ones playing ultra sage if they have lost 2 or 3. My gut guess after this flip, one scum is a trusted town and the other is a null/meh.

 

[acohrs]

So don't want a NS lynch, TTK on the other hand, interesting to see what they flip but unless their scum, it will be hard to see who their partner is. Can't remember off the top of my head any significant interactions between TTK and anybody else in this game.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

So don't want a NS lynch, TTK on the other hand, interesting to see what they flip but unless their scum, it will be hard to see who their partner is. Can't remember off the top of my head any significant interactions between TTK and anybody else in this game.

She defended Blarg, didn't she?

 

[acohrs]

On the third hand, sticking to my leanscum of both the doctor and Stan, both of them being part of 2 early vote wagons this early would confirm them as scum partners, either wagon works for them as both would result in a town lynch and they cab swap between them without seeming overtly scimmy. Plus the cases for TTK and NS don't need to be that strong at this stage based on their play and non play.

Hmmm, need to think this over by the pool and decide what way I want to go.

Anyone here to chat btw?

 

[acohrs]

She defended Blarg, didn't she?

Don't remember that, do you know what post that was?

 

[hey_monkey]

Don't remember that, do you know what post that was?

Not so much defended but her whole thing that day was to kill me instead to check to see if I was lying.

 

[timetokill]

I still think investigating a suspicious vanilla claim is our best bet, though I'm not sure I trust Dr. Worm's claim. Could be opportunistic, could be true.

Not so much defended but her whole thing that day was to kill me instead to check to see if I was lying.

So vociferously I might add that if I knew Blarg was scum that would be pretty stupid of me to paint such a huge target on myself, but hey maybe that's just me lol

 

[acohrs]

Not so much defended but her whole thing that day was to kill me instead to check to see if I was lying.

Ah I see, so TTK flipping scum would nearly confirm monkey as town. Them flipping town would throw some suspicion on monkey but wouldn't be a scumtell.

Rethinking that thought I had a few posts ago on doctor and Stan, can't see that idea bearing fruit, probability is too low. Maybe one of them is scum, or neither? Those are 2 likelier circumstances IMO. Which one, I couldn't say anymore after bb flip.

 

[timetokill]

if monkey is scum then you guys are fucked anyway because you'll never, ever lynch her. and if she and SkyOdin are scum you guys are fucked even worse.

 

[hey_monkey]

Nah, I don't think either my flip or ttk's flip would confirm anything about either of us necessarily, just add evidence to the pile. Only flip that would confirm me really is my own or Sky's if Blarg wasn't enough.

I think ttk's flip would be more connected to Palmer, who's been on 30/ttk from the jump, or NS who claims to have protected her.

 

[acohrs]

I still think investigating a suspicious vanilla claim is our best bet, though I'm not sure I trust Dr. Worm's claim. Could be opportunistic, could be true.



So vociferously I might add that if I knew Blarg was scum that would be pretty stupid of me to paint such a huge target on myself, but hey maybe that's just me lol

Do I think scum would try and defend Blarg on that day when it seems certain that they will be lynched or do I think that scum would stay the he'll away and vote to lynch them out of existence? Latter seems more likely, but too easily explained away.

Then again Blarg sweet talked me for that day and I believed their false claim enough to vote for another.

 

[acohrs]

if monkey is scum then you guys are fucked anyway because you'll never, ever lynch her. and if she and SkyOdin are scum you guys are fucked even worse.

What evidence do you have to think they're scum? Have you posted it already?

 

[timetokill]

What evidence do you have to think they're scum? Have you posted it already?

Yeah if you read my posts for that day you'll see where I'm coming from. It was more about preventing the situation we're in now though where they're basically unlynchable, because if they're scum they've already won and we're just counting down the days.

 

[timetokill]

Do I think scum would try and defend Blarg on that day when it seems certain that they will be lynched or do I think that scum would stay the he'll away and vote to lynch them out of existence? Latter seems more likely, but too easily explained away.

I also had an easy opportunity to hammer Blarg early on in that day when Dr. Worm tried to turbo him, which I absolutely would've done if I were scum.

 

[hey_monkey]

Day One votes, annotated
italics - dead; underlined italics - dead scum; ctr - claimed town role


blackbuzzard (3) - TOWN
natiko 97 (386)
hey_monkey 272 (354) 553
dr. worm 486
sexyfish 574
swamped 600 (616)

blargonaut (1) - SCUM
burbeting 102 (338)
palmer_v1 118

sawneeks (1) - UNKNOWN
wherearemahdragonz 110 (439)
blackbuzzard 130 (396)
darryl 147

oreomunsta (1) (Nomadic Sparks - UNKNOWN ctr
hey_monkey 111 (241)
skyodin 112

natiko (0) - TOWN
acohrs 123 (238)
swamped 236 (239)

sexyfish (0) TOWN
sawneeks 131 (397)


moonkid (0) (LaunchPadMcQ - UNKNOWN
lifeline 132 (505)

30yearsofhurt (2) - timetokill - UNKNOWN
acohrs 238
hey_monkey 354 (405)
sawneeks 397 (532)
wherearemahdragonz 462

hey_monkey (0) - UKNOWN ctr
swamped 239 (442)

stanleypalmtree (0) - UNKNOWN
hey_monkey 241 (272)
isaacnukem 314 (340)

palmer_v1 (4) - UNKNOWN ctr
blargonaut 334
isaacnukem 340
stanleypalmtree 446
natiko 613

lifeline (0) - MOD-CONFIRMED TOWN D2
natiko 386 (613)

dr. worm (0) - UNKNOWN ctr
hey_monkey 405 (553)

wherearemahdragonz (4) - TOWN
30yearsofhurt 406 (535)
lifeline 505
sawneeks 589
30yearsofhurt 609
swamped 616

no lynch (1)
moonkid 435

acohrs (0) - UNKNOWN ctr
swamped 442 (600)

darryl (1) - UNKNOWN ctr
blackbuzzard 508


skyodin (1) - UNKNOWN ctr
oreomunsta 559

 

[hey_monkey]

Day two votes annotated
italics - dead; underlined italics - dead scum; ctr - claimed town role

blackbuzzard (0) -TOWN
dr. worm 640 (1477)
skyodin 708 (791)
lifeline 1318 (1673)

swamped (8) - SCUM
launchpadmcq 650 (1670)
lifeline 657 (748)
isaacnukem 851 (855)
isaacnukem 855
lifeline 911 (1134)
darryl 1143
lifeline 1144 (1318)
blargonaut 1583 (1700)
acohrs 1600
dr. worm 1637
palmer_v1 1667 (1875)
launchpadmcq 1824 (1948)
palmer_v1 2108 (2115)
launchpadmcq 2109
burbeting 2110
palmer_v1 2138
natiko 2156

dr. worm (0) - UNKNOWN ctr
palmer_v1 659 (778)

burbeting (0) - TOWN
darryl 697 (1143)

wherearemahdragonz (0) -TOWN
lifeline 748 (911)

blargonaut (0) -SCUM
palmer_v1 778 (1015)
30yearsofhurt 1198 (1525)
blargonaut 1204 (1218)

palmer_v1 (0) - UNKNOWN ctr
blargonaut 849 (1019)
launchpadmcq 1670 (1679)
blargonaut 1892 (2091)
verelios 1933 (2086)
hey_monkey 1944 (2097)
launchpadmcq 1948 (2064)

isaacnukem (0) - UNKNOWN
hey_monkey 858 (910)
palmer_v1 1494 (1531)

oreomunsta (0) (Nomadic Sparks) - UNKNOWN
blackbuzzard 872 (1071)

iaaacnukem (1) - UNKNOWN
wherearemahdragonz 885

acohrs (6) -UNKNOWN ctr
hey_monkey 910 (1886)
skyodin 1056
natiko 1225 (1943)
blargonaut 1226 (1245)
swamped 1264 (1651)
stanleypalmtree 1598
blargonaut 1700 (1749)
lifeline 1706 (2154)
blackbuzzard 2038
verelios 2086
blargonaut 2091
natiko 2094 (2156)
hey_monkey 2097
palmer_v1 2115 (2138)

natiko (0) -TOWN
acohrs 960 (1600)
blargonaut 1245 (1583)


stanleypalmtree (0) -UNKNOWN
palmer_v1 1018 (1494)
burbeting 1130 (1849)
lifeline 1134 (1144)

dr.worm (0) -UNKNOWN ctr
blackbuzzard 1071 (2038)

30yearsofhurt (0) (timetokill) -UNKNOWN
palmer_v1 1558 (1667)
burbeting 1849 (2110)
palmer_v1 1875 (2108)
hey_monkey 1886 (1944)
natiko 1943 (2094)
launchpadmcq 2064 (2109)
nomadic sparks 2112 (misvote, moved up)

launchpadmcq (1) - UNKNOWN
swamped 1668
lifeline 1673 (1706)

palmer (0) -UNKNOWN ctr
verelios 1917 (1933)

 

[hey_monkey]

Day 3 votes, annotated
italics - dead; underlined italics - dead scum; ctr - claimed town role

timetokill (0) -UNKNOWN
launchpadmcq 2173 (2183)

blargonaut (8) - SCUM
hey_monkey 2175 (2581)
burbeting 2178
palmer_v1 2180
launchpadmcq 2183 (2291)
skyodin 2276
acohrs 2407 (2615)
nomadic sparks 2408 (2723)
isaacnukem 2434 (2596)
dr. worm 2504 (2509)
lifeline 2666 (2721)
hey_monkey 2704
dr. worm 2712
darryl 2793
lifeline 2841 (2883)
launchpadmcq 2924
blackbuzzard 3152

palmer_v1 (0) - UNKNOWN ctr
isaacnukem 2177 (2434)

nomadic sparks (5) -UNKNOWN ctr
timetokill 2361 (2438)
lifeline 3002
verelios 3003
acohrs 3053
timetokill 3055
blargonaut 3078

skyodin (1) - UNKNOWN ctr
nomadic sparks 2368 (2385)
blargonaut 2818 (2928)
isaacnukem 2869

hey_monkey (0) - UNKNOWN ctr
timetokill 2438 (3055)
lifeline 2518 (2666)
nomadic sparks (misvote; moved up)

blackbuzzard (0) -TOWN
acohrs 2615 (3053)

acohrs (0) - UNKNOWN ctr
blackbuzzard 2724 (2931)

darryl (0) - UNKNOWN ctr
blargonaut 2928 (3078)
lifeline 2937 (3002)

burbeting (0) TOWN
verelios 2932 (3003)


NOTE: I dunno about you guys, but this day really makes me think Verelios was scum. I already did, but this just confirms it.

 

[hey_monkey]

Day 4 votes, annotated
italics - dead; underlined italics - dead scum; ctr - claimed town role


nomadic sparks (0) - UNKNOWN ctr
hey_monkey 3177 (3457)

blackbuzzard (7) -TOWN, RIP IN PEACE
acohrs 3192
launchpadmcq 3360
dr. worm 3415 (3493)
hey_monkey 3457 (3478)
skyodin 3492
hey_monkey 3535
darryl 3536
stanleypalmtree 3537 (3538)
stanleypalmtree 3543
palmer_v1 3544

acohrs (1) -UNKNOWN ctr
blackbuzzard 3201
nomadic sparks 3199 (misvote, moved)

palmer_v1 - UNKNOWN ctr
isaacnukem 3270 (3271)

isaacnukem (0) - UNKNOWN
palmer_v1 3328 (3544)

timetokill (1) - UNKNOWN
hey_monkey 3478 (3535)
dr. worm 3493

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I'm just going to float an idea out there, but we've not seen any signs of a neutral. Let's say there wasn't one, would it make sense for scum to have a hidden member? And that hidden member was maybe Verelios, and that's why the flip was hidden?

 

[hey_monkey]

Re: Launch - Lifeline had an apparently latent ability, right? That was triggered by the roleblock? So why couldn't scum also have one - that being Verelios not flipping in death?

I offer the caveat that I am not well versed in mafia mechanics, but from a general game design standpoint, that makes sense to me, unless I misunderstood what happened with Lifeline.

While I'm here - not to be the asshole who brings up flavor and claims, but to be the asshole who brings up flavor and claims, Dr. Worm's flavor makes me feel some kinda way. Chicken pizza guy is bulletproof how? He's okay with all pizza with chicken except pineapple doesn't sound bulletproof - and all the other flavors make sense. To wit:

mine - authentic Italian pizza person - ability: check to see if someone is "authentic"

SexyFish - Chicago deep dish person - big ass pizza = doublevote

SkyOdin - little kid, only likes cheese - and killing kids is not how we should spend our time - god, that just makes me very D:

WMD - frozen pizza - cheap pizza, if pineapple it's probably gross as shit, either way not common

Oh, mm, I just checked BB's because I thought LC's Hot n Ready wouldn't have a pineapple option but it does. :/ but maybe with the vanillas it's not such a thing

If there's a connection between chicken and bulletproof someone else sees, please enlighten.

 

[timetokill]

If there's a connection between chicken and bulletproof someone else sees, please enlighten.

I'd love to know too because it doesn't make any sense to me either.

 

[Palmer_v1]

Re: Launch - Lifeline had an apparently latent ability, right? That was triggered by the roleblock? So why couldn't scum also have one - that being Verelios not flipping in death?

I offer the caveat that I am not well versed in mafia mechanics, but from a general game design standpoint, that makes sense to me, unless I misunderstood what happened with Lifeline.

While I'm here - not to be the asshole who brings up flavor and claims, but to be the asshole who brings up flavor and claims, Dr. Worm's flavor makes me feel some kinda way. Chicken pizza guy is bulletproof how? He's okay with all pizza with chicken except pineapple doesn't sound bulletproof - and all the other flavors make sense. To wit:

mine - authentic Italian pizza person - ability: check to see if someone is "authentic"

SexyFish - Chicago deep dish person - big ass pizza = doublevote

SkyOdin - little kid, only likes cheese - and killing kids is not how we should spend our time - god, that just makes me very D:

WMD - frozen pizza - cheap pizza, if pineapple it's probably gross as shit, either way not common

Oh, mm, I just checked BB's because I thought LC's Hot n Ready wouldn't have a pineapple option but it does. :/ but maybe with the vanillas it's not such a thing

If there's a connection between chicken and bulletproof someone else sees, please enlighten.

Honestly not a path I'd want to pursue unless we had basically everyone's claims and names. Using fluff is generally a bad idea.

 

[hey_monkey]

Honestly not a path I'd want to pursue unless we had basically everyone's claims and names. Using fluff is generally a bad idea.

No, I don't think it's particularly fruitful (lulz) unless there's other reason to doubt a shady claim and while I think Dr. Worm is possibly a little sketch, I tend to agree with most of his post-d1 moves and the BP is not implausible. But it was kicking around in my head when I was putting together the votes.

 

[Dr. Worm]

if monkey is scum then you guys are fucked anyway because you'll never, ever lynch her. and if she and SkyOdin are scum you guys are fucked even worse.

Yeah if you read my posts for that day you'll see where I'm coming from. It was more about preventing the situation we're in now though where they're basically unlynchable, because if they're scum they've already won and we're just counting down the days.

Put up or shut up

Seriously, we get it, but there comes a point where you stop throwing shade and start throwing out argumentation

 

[hey_monkey]

Day 3 votes, annotated
italics - dead; underlined italics - dead scum; ctr - claimed town role


blargonaut (8) - SCUM
hey_monkey 2175 (2581)
burbeting 2178
palmer_v1 2180
launchpadmcq 2183 (2291)
skyodin 2276
acohrs 2407 (2615)
nomadic sparks 2408 (2723)
isaacnukem 2434 (2596)
dr. worm 2504 (2509)
lifeline 2666 (2721)
hey_monkey 2704
dr. worm 2712
darryl 2793
lifeline 2841 (2883)
launchpadmcq 2924
blackbuzzard 3152

palmer_v1 (0) - UNKNOWN ctr
isaacnukem 2177 (2434)

nomadic sparks (5) -UNKNOWN ctr
timetokill 2361 (2438)
lifeline 3002
verelios 3003
acohrs 3053
timetokill 3055
blargonaut 3078

skyodin (1) - UNKNOWN ctr
nomadic sparks 2368 (2385)
blargonaut 2818 (2928)
isaacnukem 2869

hey_monkey (0) - UNKNOWN ctr
timetokill 2438 (3055)
lifeline 2518 (2666)
nomadic sparks (misvote; moved up)

darryl (0) - UNKNOWN ctr
blargonaut 2928 (3078)
lifeline 2937 (3002)

burbeting (0) TOWN
verelios 2932 (3003)

So this the chunk of d3 votes I find most interesting myself. Some folks who never voted for Blarg at all - Verelios and ttk - both voted for NS, who is shady but an easy vote, and Verelios voted for Burb, who was definitely not getting any traction that day. isaacnukem did vote for blarg, but also just had some strange votes. Stan didn't vote, but as I recall, it was too close to turbo? Or was there another reason?

this is how end of day votes looked that day:

blargonaut (8)
burbeting 2178
palmer_v1 2180
skyodin 2276
hey_monkey 2704
dr. worm 2712
darryl 2793
launchpadmcq 2924
blackbuzzard 3152

nomadic sparks (5)
lifeline 3002
verelios 3003
acohrs 3053
timetokill 3055
blargonaut 3078

skyodin (1)
isaacnukem 2869

monkey (1)
nomadic sparks 2723

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Re: Launch - Lifeline had an apparently latent ability, right? That was triggered by the roleblock? So why couldn't scum also have one - that being Verelios not flipping in death?

That's exactly what I'm saying. I'm just thinking, if Verelios was scum, what would make this scum so special, you know?

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Whatever Verelios was, Sophia intended for his role to be hidden to us on his flip to obfuscate information. He wasn't just hidden for the sake of being hidden. So, what kind of roles would completely fuck with us if we didn't know they existed? One of them is definitely a switcher; another could be a lost partner role.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I just threw switcher out there, but I don't think there is one. Every ability seems to have landed where it was supposed to.

As for lost partner, there are a few things to consider. One, Verelios may have been an ally that even scum didn't know existed; that is a good justification for the hidden role flip. Two, he may have screwed with things since I believe he had at least a secondary ability to go along with the obscuring of his role flip. Third, this would definitely bring the scum count to at least 5, I think. I've seen lost partner used interchangeably with a neutral role since it's hard to have them coordinate.

I think Verelios' role name could have been been something like Person Who Secretly Enjoys Pineapple On Pizza, which is totally believable, right?

 

[timetokill]

Verelios wasn't scum

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Verelios wasn't scum

Explain.

 

[Palmer_v1]

Verelios wasn't scum

That's an absolute statement you're making. How can you be that sure?

 

[timetokill]

I feel it in my bones

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I feel it in my bones

WTF

 

[hey_monkey]

THAT SETTLES THAT THEN I GUESS

 

[Palmer_v1]

I feel it in my bones

Vote: timetokill

I'm going to start calling people names soon.



Monkey, thanks for the vote posts. I'm still parsing them myself.

 

[Dr. Worm]

Vote: timetokill

I'm going to start calling people names soon.

can I help

 

[Dr. Worm]

I could see lost partner given the sucking up to Blarg, but why would that flip be hidden?

 

[Dr. Worm]

Darryl, why did you claim?

 

[Palmer_v1]

Day 3 votes, annotated
italics - dead; underlined italics - dead scum; ctr - claimed town role

nomadic sparks (5) -UNKNOWN ctr
timetokill 2361 (2438)
lifeline 3002
verelios 3003
acohrs 3053
timetokill 3055
blargonaut 3078

NOTE: I dunno about you guys, but this day really makes me think Verelios was scum. I already did, but this just confirms it.

Ok, so, I feel like this is weird.

Would scum have tried to bus another scum in the face of a red check on blarg? That seems like the worst idea ever, cause there's still a good chance we'd just kill blarg the next day, or a vig would do it. That said, I think this is sort of proof that Nomadic is not scum. Or he's a hidden partner since we've now breached that can of worms? He could also be neutral.

That said, We have one confirmed scum, someone I think was very likely scum(verelios), someone who I still think is scum(TTK), and one person who wouldn't shock me if they flipped scum(acohrs).

Would they really go all in on this gambit? I'm so far into WIFOM territory now.

 

[hey_monkey]

No, I was thinking about that, too. It pretty likely means NS is town, which just also means we are in proper-fuckedville in this game, really.

acohrs and NS are both suspicious but both at times were the other vote for scum. IF they are scum, it would just mean that scum didn't expect them to get traction, because in both cases, they were also easy votes. But the simpler explanation is that they are probably not scum. This does not mean one or both can't be neutral, though.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Also, as an honorary scum member, it pretty much follows that anyone that goes along with Lifeline's reasoning should be scum. :^)

 

[Palmer_v1]

Also, as an honorary scum member, it pretty much follows that anyone that goes along with Lifeline's reasoning should be scum. :^)

GAF has a history of confirmed townie roles going bad.

Sherriff in Wolf 2 got murdered and deputized scum.
Zipped or El Topo got publically cleared by a cop, and shitposted the entire game.
Blarg got cleared publically in WWE, and was then recruited by the scum team.
Probably others I'm forgetting.

 

[hey_monkey]

Does that mean we should kill Lifeline just in case? He could be recruited.

 

[SkyOdin]

The more I look at the voting record that hey_monkey was kind enough to compile, the more I can't shake a feeling that something is off about your voting record, Launchpad.

Your voted early on both Swamped and Blargonaut, but you didn't consistently keep your vote on them. Once votes started piling up on the two though, you had a tendency to back off, and move back and forth between different targets. Ultimately, you settled on a final vote on both of them, but only near the end when it was all but certain that they were going to be lynched.

In contrast, your vote on BlackBuzzard was simple: you were one of the first votes on BB and kept your vote there the entire day phase. No hesitation or doubt this time.

On top of that, your votes were right alingside Blarg's in trying to push a Palmer lynch on Day 2 to get heat off of Swamped. Some of your votes and unvotes were close enough in time with Blarg's on day 2 to look coordinated.

Furthermore, this entire game you have been acting in a contradictory manner. For example, when Nomadic Sparks made his claim, you professed to understanding what he was hinting at and confidently told him to "say no more". Then you later claim to have no idea what he is thinking. You had similar weird and contradictory reactions to my role claim. You then warn of some serious impending shakeup to the game, but then back down and claim your worries are unfounded. In other words, you are going past breadcrumbing and practically shouting that you have some powerful and important role or knowledge that is important to town, but you have yet to make any actual claim or produce any specific information.

To be frank, I feel something scummy about your votes and behavior.

Vote: LaunchpadMcQ