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[Karkador]

Hugs Isaac

You and me, buddy. You and me.

Vote: karkador
You still play like a neutral, and now I have extra reason to want to kill you.
If someone else is the arsonist, I hate you. Please die.

Why not just plainly say you're doused?

 

[Kalor]

I can understand the doubt behind Blarg but I'm not feeling it. If we are going to lynch him, it shouldn't be today. Yesterday was focused on Blarg and Zubz and we need to move on, even if it's for one day.

Vote: Karkador

I can't figure out what your play is and nothing that you've done this game has struck me as being from a town perspective.

 

[NeckToChicken]

...or that Blarg just straight isn't scum

Come on man, you're going to buy all this nonsense? At the very least, this is the worst town plays I've ever seen and if we let this slide, we'd be doing a disservice to town and to the gafia community as a whole

It's no coincidence Blarg claimed Zubz' EXACT role and Zubz saw no reason to counterclaim. Zubz claimed he could "clear" multiple people, assumedly because his bulletproof was intact (would he know this?) and multiple people visited him. Blarg was one visitor AND Blarg claimed a role that several people thought wouldn't even be in the game. This is not a coincidence, even if Blarg is a scum cop.

Oh, and I do want you to argue that Blarg is a scum cop. Give me your strongest case.

 

[weemadarthur]

Is*

Typo :|

Freudian slip, you mean. Welcome to the top of my scum list with Achoo and Kark.

Why not just plainly say you're doused?

I am Doused.

You [probably] jerk.

 

[Karkador]

That's odd, how do you figure two people got doused in one night?

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

It's no coincidence Blarg claimed Zubz' EXACT role and Zubz saw no reason to counterclaim. Zubz claimed he could "clear" multiple people, assumedly because his bulletproof was intact (would he know this?) and multiple people visited him. Blarg was one visitor AND Blarg claimed a role that several people thought wouldn't even be in the game. This is not a coincidence, even if Blarg is a scum cop.

Oh, and I do want you to argue that Blarg is a scum cop. Give me your strongest case.

No, I'm not going to argue that. I'm just going to say town has no business lying. Not only did Blarg lie, he lied more than once and went back on all of them. Come on now, I know we're better than this

Freudian slip, you mean. Welcome to the top of my scum list with Achoo and Kark.


I am Doused.

You [probably] jerk.

Are you for real right now lol

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I can understand the doubt behind Blarg but I'm not feeling it. If we are going to lynch him, it shouldn't be today. Yesterday was focused on Blarg and Zubz and we need to move on, even if it's for one day.

Vote: Karkador

I can't figure out what your play is and nothing that you've done this game has struck me as being from a town perspective.

I'm willing to DISCUSS, but moving the lynch completely when these two knuckleheads have had us pulling our hair out for the entirety of the last day phase is a mistake.

 

[hey_monkey]

 

[weemadarthur]

That's odd, how do you figure two people got doused in one night?

I don't.

Is this a claim that you were doused in the night last night?

I figure you are the arsonist, or possibly mafia. I have said that....since day one i believe.

 

[melonrabbit]

That's odd, how do you figure two people got doused in one night?

You saying you were doused also?

 

[franconp]

I'm willing to DISCUSS, but moving the lynch completely when these two knuckleheads have had us pulling our hair out for the entirety of the last day phase is a mistake.

Yes, Blarg made mistake. But it really seems that he is a role cop. Why would we lynch our role cop?

Even if he made a gambit and failed we still need him. Even more when we just lost 2 informative roles.

 

[NeckToChicken]

Are you for real right now lol

Took the words out of my mouth.

Do you:

A. Believe Blarg isn't a cop and Just Want to ignore everything to the contrary.

Or

B. Believe Blarg IS a cop and want to lynch him anyways.

Because these are both amazing paths to ponder.

 

[weemadarthur]

No, I'm not going to argue that. I'm just going to say town has no business lying. Not only did Blarg lie, he lied more than once and went back on all of them. Come on now, I know we're better than this



Are you for real right now lol

I like to subscribe to the "lynch all liars" theory.
Right up until they show proof of their powers. Blarg stated Zubz' role name ahead of zubz doing it.

Now if you're trying to argue that the role cop is actually scum, put some evidence out there. Blarg laid himself on the line only when town refused to accept his support of zubz, a good and valuable town power role. When it became clear that the lie wasn't working to protect z, blarg told the truth. This just isn't what i see as scummy behavior.

However, trying to get town to lynch its role cop DOES look like scummy behavior. Again, welcome to my scum list.

 

[isaacnukem]

I don't think there is a cop. I think I have an idea how the game is set up. But I have to reveal my role.

Hugs Isaac

You and me, buddy. You and me.

Right when I thought I was dry, I'm now wet again. Oh, well, I love hugs anyway. *Returns hug*

 

[melonrabbit]

I don't think there is a cop. I think I have an idea how the game is set up. But I have to reveal my role.

So for the record you don't believe Blarg?

 

[isaacnukem]

So for the record you don't believe Blarg?

Didn't he claim to be a bunch of stuff? No, I don't think he's a cop. We have two confirmed watchers.

 

[weemadarthur]

I don't think there is a cop. I think I have an idea how the game is set up. But I have to reveal my role.

Right when I thought I was dry, I'm now wet again. Oh, well, I love hugs anyway. *Returns hug*

You mean in the sense that my wet shirt got your shirt actively wet, not that you got a message about being cleaned?

*Hopes for cleanness*

 

[isaacnukem]

You mean in the sense that my wet shirt got your shirt actively wet, not that you got a message about being cleaned?

*Hopes for cleanness*

No firefighter in the house, sadly. We're going to burn, if we don't find the arsonist soon.

 

[melonrabbit]

Didn't he claim to be a bunch of stuff? No, I don't think he's a cop. We have two confirmed watchers.

Didn't Zubz's flip prove at least their last claim was in fact true?

 

[franconp]

I like to subscribe to the "lynch all liars" theory.
Right up until they show proof of their powers. Blarg stated Zubz' role name ahead of zubz doing it.

Now if you're trying to argue that the role cop is actually scum, put some evidence out there. Blarg laid himself on the line only when town refused to accept his support of zubz, a good and valuable town power role. When it became clear that the lie wasn't working to protect z, blarg told the truth. This just isn't what i see as scummy behavior.

However, trying to get town to lynch its role cop DOES look like scummy behavior. Again, welcome to my scum list.

Technically Zubz stated the role name first:

Ugh, why did we get to this point?!

I'm the Cop, ok? I got spooked & superstitious after seeing I had such an important role, so my initial plan was to pretend I didn't even see my role to avoid psyching myself out as I am wont to do. That was the gambit; if I kept forgetting I was the Cop during the day, I wouldn't have to stress about it until the night.

So night comes, & who does my dumbass observe but Blarg. A lot of people discussed his alignment and how unreadable he is yesterday, so I observed him, cleared him as Town, & went on my way. Then when I check my phone the next morning, they're now claiming Lovers. With me. I was baffled & considered the possibility of a... Godfather? I'm used to Werewolf so I'm thinking Alpha Wolf. Either way, I thought of the Scum role where you don't read as Scum to the Seer/Cop. But then it hit me Blarg might be Night Watch, realized I saw him last night, & pulled the Lovers bit in an attempt to protect me. And hoping the town wouldn't see fit to risk killing 2 of their own like a bunch of chuckleheads, I rolled with it. And look where that got me.

I'm rarely the Cop, so this role intimidated me. I feel I never do it right, & clearly, I didn't do it here. It's way too early to claim but if you're about to kill me, I should at least clear the water. If we don't have a protector, I will die tonight. I will also look at one of the 4 I suspect are Scum (Launch, Fran, Kitsune, & Rac), since we know Kark is a horrible arsonist (& thus also a worthy pick). Regardless if I make it to tomorrow, sorry I bungled the role, but go after those 5 tomorrow. I'm keeping my vote on Fran but am willing to pick one of the other probable Scum or Kark.

[/I]Heck.[/I]

He said it was Blarg's role. Even then I believe Blarg is role cop (aligment pending).

Didn't he claim to be a bunch of stuff? No, I don't think he's a cop. We have two confirmed watchers.

Blarg didn't claimed cop. He claimed role cop. A little bit different.

 

[isaacnukem]

Didn't Zubz's flip prove at least their last claim was in fact true?

I guess since Zubz didn't die and I am struggling to think of another non-fatal role that Blarg as scum could have that he could've used on Zubz, I am inclined to believe him now.

But I'm confused, didn't Blarg claim to be bulletproof too?

 

[weemadarthur]

Technically Zubz stated the role name first:



He said it was Blarg's role. Even then I believe Blarg is role cop (aligment pending).



Blarg didn't claimed cop. He claimed role cop. A little bit different.

Blarg spelled it out as night watchMAN, and brought up bulletproof.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Took the words out of my mouth.

Do you:

A. Believe Blarg isn't a cop and Just Want to ignore everything to the contrary.

Or

B. Believe Blarg IS a cop and want to lynch him anyways.

Because these are both amazing paths to ponder.

I like to subscribe to the "lynch all liars" theory.
Right up until they show proof of their powers. Blarg stated Zubz' role name ahead of zubz doing it.

Now if you're trying to argue that the role cop is actually scum, put some evidence out there. Blarg laid himself on the line only when town refused to accept his support of zubz, a good and valuable town power role. When it became clear that the lie wasn't working to protect z, blarg told the truth. This just isn't what i see as scummy behavior.

However, trying to get town to lynch its role cop DOES look like scummy behavior. Again, welcome to my scum list.

I seem to have missed the post where Blarg pointed out Zubz' role name. Link?

 

[franconp]

Blarg spelled it out as night watchMAN, and brought up bulletproof.

That's true. That's why I said that Blarg must be a role cop (aligment pending).

I guess since Zubz didn't die and I am struggling to think of another non-fatal role that Blarg as scum could have that he could've used on Zubz, I am inclined to believe him now.

But I'm confused, didn't Blarg claim to be bulletproof too?

Yes. That was actually Zubz role. Zubz was bulletproofed.

 

[NeckToChicken]

But I'm confused, didn't Blarg claim to be bulletproof too?

Blarg claimed Zubz' role as best as he could tell. He denied being x-shot bulletproof instead of the actual 1-shot bulletproof because he likely only got the role name: bullet proof night watchman.

 

[weemadarthur]

No firefighter in the house, sadly. We're going to burn, if we don't find the arsonist soon.

What do you htink of my kark theory? And his apparent (?) attempt to counterclaim me being doused?

I guess since Zubz didn't die and I am struggling to think of another non-fatal role that Blarg as scum could have that he could've used on Zubz, I am inclined to believe him now.

But I'm confused, didn't Blarg claim to be bulletproof too?

Blarg said bulletproof to show zubz that zubz should trust blarg. The rest of us weren't supposed to understand. It's his way. Also, the point of a bulletproof person is to get shot at night. Zubz certainly tried to do that, which is why he lightly claimed to have a power role on day one. Also he upped the ante by claiming cop, to intensify his target value for mafia. Zubz wasn't doing that badly for his role, and it might have worked if he hadn't also said that bit about not reading his PM.

 

[franconp]

I seem to have missed the post where Blarg pointed out Zubz' role name. Link?

I'm the Power Cop, Zubz is the Night Watchman. I visited him last Night as I knew he'd be especially contentious after his own D1, thus I went after his Role/Power info firstly.

At the beginning of the Day I dropped clues hinting I knew he was a Night Watchman (and yes that's specifically what his Role is named as, blame the bloody host), and he noticed; I myself noticed that he must have noticed me visit him too, because at the time being the 4-vote majority soon after Day-start it seemed he was specifically asking for my help on the down-low, via his French-use & Gambit ask, to exonerate him him knowing that I knew what he really was.

I debated doing this since I didn't want to reveal myself as a Cop so early and for his sake; but I did know for a fact he was a useful PR, and very likely Town-aligned. If I have to spell out exactly why I thought so, then you should extra go fuck yourself, pardonnez-moi fuck. Zubz, don't.

Hence my Lovers plan to save him, and his going-along with it. I figured if I handcuffed myself to him, I could safely walk him out of your Resident Evil estate of stupid myself. Should've known the plan'd be doomed from the start because Zubz and my meta baggage, "partner".

When finally Blarg had to say the truth.

 

[isaacnukem]

Ooooh. Perfect. Alright, I can roll with Blarg as town for now.

 

[Karkador]

You saying you were doused also?

Yes, I'm doused

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

When finally Blarg had to say the truth.

Ok, thank you.

I'm willing to move off Blarg for today, then. I apologize for missing that.

 

[franconp]

So, now we have 2 more doused?

This can be easy. Why don't both of you post the PM you received (not actual quote, but close to it) so issac can confirm who really is the one burned between both of you?

The other one has some explaining to do.

 

[isaacnukem]

What do you htink of my kark theory? And his apparent (?) attempt to counterclaim me being doused?


Blarg said bulletproof to show zubz that zubz should trust blarg. The rest of us weren't supposed to understand. It's his way. Also, the point of a bulletproof person is to get shot at night. Zubz certainly tried to do that, which is why he lightly claimed to have a power role on day one. Also he upped the ante by claiming cop, to intensify his target value for mafia. Zubz wasn't doing that badly for his role, and it might have worked if he hadn't also said that bit about not reading his PM.

Zubz is the hero we need but we didn't deserve.

Yeah, Kark's no-lynch shenanigans which he didn't drop as fast as I would like is something that might be related to fire. Like say he can't fry us if there ain't a certain number of us that are wet.

Him claiming to be doused too, I saw that he seems to imply that but he hasn't committed to it yet. Would be bad if he commits though, because we would have to lynch him, then if he's town, lynch you.

 

[NeckToChicken]

I'm Bulletproof, but Zubz isn't. And it's not x-shot.

For reference. And this is BEFORE Zubz claims Night Watch.

 

[weemadarthur]

That's true. That's why I said that Blarg must be a role cop (aligment pending).



Yes. That was actually Zubz role. Zubz was bulletproofed.

Agreed. Alignment pending.

However, I don't see him supporting zubz as a mafia role cop over a town role cop, so....i'm not voting blarg today.

 

[isaacnukem]

Yes, I'm doused

Oh wow, it is on.

I propose Kark post first.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Agreed. Alignment pending.

However, I don't see him supporting zubz as a mafia role cop over a town role cop, so....i'm not voting blarg today.

See, you say that, but if he's a scum role cop, this is rolling in exactly the most beneficial way right now

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

UNVOTE

 

[isaacnukem]

For reference. And this is BEFORE Zubz claims Night Watch.

I knew it. But wouldn't that make him awfully powerful? But if he's scum, what role could he have?

Role cops have been known to be on the scum faction too, I can somehow believe that he can possibly be scum too because there's an arsonist and he needs to get that arsonist out of the game before a match gets lit. But then again he tried to save Zubz.

 

[isaacnukem]

See, you say that, but if he's a scum role cop, this is rolling in exactly the most beneficial way right now

Exactly.

 

[weemadarthur]

See, you say that, but if he's a scum role cop, this is rolling in exactly the most beneficial way right now

I already asked you to show some proof of scumminess. I am willing to evaluate anything you offer.

So far, reading the thread as it happened, I haven't seen Blarg do anything scummy.

Just gambity.

Could it be a really clever scum ploy? Sure. But I'm not catching him today if so.

 

[isaacnukem]

Oh and one more thing, a scum role cop makes perfect sense if we have bulletproof folks in the game, since scum need to plan their kills around that and the arsonist. Hmm.

 

[franconp]

I knew it. But wouldn't that make him awfully powerful? But if he's scum, what role could he have?

Role cops have been known to be on the scum faction too, I can somehow believe that he can possibly be scum too because there's an arsonist and he needs to get that arsonist out of the game before a match gets lit. But then again he tried to save Zubz.

I think he isn't bulletproofed. Zubz was bulletproofed. He wanted to gain Zubz trust so he shared something that only a role cop would know.

 

[NeckToChicken]

I knew it. But wouldn't that make him awfully powerful? But if he's scum, what role could he have?

Role cops have been known to be on the scum faction too, I can somehow believe that he can possibly be scum too because there's an arsonist and he needs to get that arsonist out of the game before a match gets lit. But then again he tried to save Zubz.

No, I don't think he's saying HE'S bulletproof, just that he wanted to claim Zubz' role as accurately as possible but couldn't due to how his power works.

 

[isaacnukem]

I think he isn't bulletproofed. Zubz was bulletproofed. He wanted to gain Zubz trust so he shared something that only a role cop would know.

His post claims otherwise? The one quoted by neck.

 

[franconp]

His post claims otherwise? The one quoted by neck.

It's another gambit. This one a bit better. He claimed bulletproof so, if both would survive the day, scum wouldn't hit him and hit Zubz instead. Zubz wouldn't die and would know who hit him.

 

[Kalor]

Why would the arsonist douse Kark? The person who was suspected to be the arsonist yesterday.

 

[NeckToChicken]

His post claims otherwise? The one quoted by neck.

My usage of that quote is that Blarg gave some knowledge of Zubz' role before Zubz own night watch suggestion, lending credence to role copness on top of the exact "Night Watchman" wording later

 

[weemadarthur]

Yes, I'm doused

I don't believe you, unless as the arsonist, you are pre-doused. Which I...think....does happen? Commonly 3 nights of dousing then 1 ignition? Someone more experienced have a comment?

It's like you're doing this as a YOLO, oops wee noticed my neutraliness, maybe a thunderdome will let me live another day. Except if I were lynched, I think town would still get you the following day. And you'd have lost a doused person, so you wouldn't advance to winning in the night, so....this is just. Spite.
I used to love you kark.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I already asked you to show some proof of scumminess. I am willing to evaluate anything you offer.

So far, reading the thread as it happened, I haven't seen Blarg do anything scummy.

Just gambity.

Could it be a really clever scum ploy? Sure. But I'm not catching him today if so.

I don't have anything, I'm just spitballing. And especially in light of this...

For reference. And this is BEFORE Zubz claims Night Watch.

I'm inclined to agree with you.

 

[isaacnukem]

franconp I would be inclined to believe you but he states Zubz isn't bulletproof. If he left that out, I could see how we wanted to tell Zubz he knows Zubz is bulletproof but only x-shot.

"I am Bulletproof, but not x-shot."

vs.

"I am Bulletproof, Zubz isn't. It's not x-shot."

You can offer further reasoning why he would post the latter though.

And...

It's another gambit. This one a bit better. He claimed bulletproof so, if both would survive the day, scum wouldn't hit him and hit Zubz instead. Zubz wouldn't die and would know who hit him.

I guess I could see that happening. What do you think is scum's defense against the arsonist and bulletproof roles though? With two watchers, and a purported role cop, it's like scum minefield.