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InFAMOUS [Mafia] [OT] No Good Karma...

Kyanrute

Member
bats' super item of awesome power was fake zzz, #baitingnightkills

but why did scummies go for that bait instead of someone like cabot?
 
DAY 3 CURRENT VOTE TALLY:

cabot (2)
Blargonaut 1733
Kyanrute 1747

Bronx-Man (1)
cabot 1700

Ri'Orius (1)
Kalor 1699

isaacnukem (1)
WaffleTaco 1724

No active vote for Day 3: *Splinter, Bronx-Man, Flame_AC, isaacnukem, Kawl_USC, Lone_Prodigy, OceanicAir, Ri'Orius, SkyOdin, Swamped, Zeusy, Zippedpinhead

Day 3 Postcount: *Splinter 2, Blargonaut 11, Bronx-Man 1, cabot 5, Flame_AC 2, isaacnukem 5, Kalor 4, Kawl_USC 0, Kyanrute 6, Lone_Prodigy 2, OceanicAir 1, Ri'Orius 1, SkyOdin 3, Swamped 1, WaffleTaco 5, Zeusy 1, Zippedpinhead 1


Day 3 ends:
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Automated vote tally here

9 votes for majority
 

cabot

Member
Wait, what? Yesterday you were full of "Neutrals add noise lover. I am not okay with letting one live," and "gafia towns have been screwed by neutral survivors quite a few times." Yet now you're trying to say you only voted CCS because you thought he was a mafia redirector? And that his neutrality makes anyone who voted for him scummy?

Killing CCS was the right play. *Splinter's "let's keep him around and hope he doesn't betray us" plan was never going to work. And I find it hard to believe you honestly believed CCS was scum with some elaborate and unnecessary "I'm a neutral you can trust!" gambit.



Probably just trying to dodge a tracker or similar. Maybe they thought a JOAT would use his Doctor charge tonight on Kawl. Doesn't seem that noteworthy that they'd go for the second most obvious target rather than the first.

And nobody was going to buy bat's crazy Kawlfather theory. Which makes the fact that you're teasing it a bit here ("if Kawl is town"?) seem odd.



People who voted Dusk are scummy now? What about the people who voted AB? You remember he was town, too?

I don't regret the CCS lynch but you can't deny scum benefitted from it. I still thought there was a chance he was scum. But alas not anymore.

Scum knew CCS was likely telling the truth. I strongly believe multiple scum were on that wagon.
 

cabot

Member
OK anyone saying I'm stepping back from the lynch is pushing a lie.

I said I made my case and I'm not arguing against it, then I said the flip benefitted scum because it was exactly as CCS said.

I also said I would never have trusted CCS and he was very certain to try and kill me last night.

That's not a town move. I know that.
 

cabot

Member
no kill would've made me believe that the whole claim thing was a kill bait from a even-night commuter but here there be kills

This is bad.

I was only thinking of the possibility of the second killing party trying to get me.

There's no way scum was killing me after day 2
 

*Splinter

Member
it was clear once he flipped that it benefitted scum.
Un-fucking-believable

Wait, what? Yesterday you were full of "Neutrals add noise lover. I am not okay with letting one live," and "gafia towns have been screwed by neutral survivors quite a few times." Yet now you're trying to say you only voted CCS because you thought he was a mafia redirector? And that his neutrality makes anyone who voted for him scummy?

Killing CCS was the right play. *Splinter's "let's keep him around and hope he doesn't betray us" plan was never going to work. And I find it hard to believe you honestly believed CCS was scum with some elaborate and unnecessary "I'm a neutral you can trust!" gambit.



Probably just trying to dodge a tracker or similar. Maybe they thought a JOAT would use his Doctor charge tonight on Kawl. Doesn't seem that noteworthy that they'd go for the second most obvious target rather than the first.

And nobody was going to buy bat's crazy Kawlfather theory. Which makes the fact that you're teasing it a bit here ("if Kawl is town"?) seem odd.



People who voted Dusk are scummy now? What about the people who voted AB? You remember he was town, too?
Thanks Ri I wasn't done React™ing yet.

so how hard should we kill cabot
The hardest, but why do you think scum would kill him? He's a very likely lynch candidate and (if town) possibly untargetable, he'd by my absolute last choice of NK.

You don't think they actually had an item? What possible purpose does it serve a Day 0 confirmed townie to lie to us, especially if it just baits the scum kill.
Exactly this. He was essentially ordinary and guaranteed to die sooner or later. Sooner is better than later for giving PR cover.
 

cabot

Member
Un-fucking-believable


Thanks Ri I wasn't done React™ing yet.


The hardest, but why do you think scum would kill him? He's a very likely lynch candidate and (if town) possibly untargetable, he'd by my absolute last choice of NK.


Exactly this. He was essentially ordinary and guaranteed to die sooner or later. Sooner is better than later for giving PR cover.

Lover how does that conflict my case yesterday? The post flip revealed yes, scum would've wanted thks role out ASAP.

Nothing of my case to. Kill CCS is affected by this revelation
 

cabot

Member
If you think this changr of heart will get me off your case you have sorely misjudged the situation.


I'm sorry I know this is retreading old ground but I can't read this post and not correct it.

I'm just being clear that seeing the flip and understanding scums need to rid CCS is not the same as admitting killing CCS was a mistake.

I expect to die today. I'm not as worried about it now since we only had one NK.
 

*Splinter

Member
Lover how does that conflict my case yesterday? The post flip revealed yes, scum would've wanted thks role out ASAP.

Nothing of my case to. Kill CCS is affected by this revelation
Your case yesterday was all about not being able to trust neutrals and neutrals have screwed town over in the past blah blah blah.

"He could also be scum" was an afterthought. A possibility that you never seemed to find particularly likely. I'm pretty sure you only mentioned it after I brought it up as being the only way I'd consider voting for CCS.
 

cabot

Member
Your case yesterday was all about not being able to trust neutrals and neutrals have screwed town over in the past blah blah blah.

"He could also be scum" was an afterthought. A possibility that you never seemed to find particularly likely. I'm pretty sure you only mentioned it after I brought it up as being the only way I'd consider voting for CCS.

Alright.
 

*Splinter

Member
Who else do you think is scum
I'd bet there are multiple scum in Zipped, SkyOdin, Flame and Ri'orious.

Sky has a lot of sheeped scumreads on him, which gives me some pause there. Ri'orious can have half a town point if you flip scum, I guess. I can't remember anything that makes me feel good about Zipped or Flame.
 

*Splinter

Member
Feelings on LP? KYAN?
LP has made a couple of ok observations but nothing that helps me read him. At this rate he's going to be on my scumlist just by process of elimination. His contempt for the post limit makes me want to lynch him regardless of alignment.

Kyan I trust but don't remember why. Hmm.
 

Flame_AC

Member
I'd bet there are multiple scum in Zipped, SkyOdin, Flame and Ri'orious.

Sky has a lot of sheeped scumreads on him, which gives me some pause there. Ri'orious can have half a town point if you flip scum, I guess. I can't remember anything that makes me feel good about Zipped or Flame.

I feel like Sky isn't the only one with sheeped scumreads on them. If I had to pick 2 scum out of your list of 4, I'd say Zipped and Ri'orious.
 

*Splinter

Member
I feel like Sky isn't the only one with sheeped scumreads on them. If I had to pick 2 scum out of your list of 4, I'd say Zipped and Ri'orious.
I've been thinking back on Zipped (as I seem to always scumread him) and I can't remember anything. Feels like he's been less of a presence than usual this game. I think he's my first choice of the four.
 

cabot

Member
I'm off to the Edinburgh Fringe today so I will probably be out for the entire day.


In that case, I'd like a quick and dirty reads list out in case I am turbo'd.


Strong scum
09. [m] Bronx-Man – EST
03. [m] Ri'Orius – PST


Lean scum
06. [m] Kyanrute - GMT+2
19. [m] isaacnukem - UTC+8
21. [m] Flame_AC – EST

????

13. [m] Blargonaut – GMT
17. [m] *Splinter – GMT
20. [m] Zippedpinhead – EST
05. [m] TheGoddamn - UTC+8 [f] Swamped
10. [m] SkyOdin – PST


Lean Town

02. [m] Zeusy - New – PST
16. [m] Lone_Prodigy – PST

Strong Town

01. [f] WaffleTaco - New – CST
22. [m] Kalor – BST
04. [m] OceanicAir – CST
 

*Splinter

Member
There's also Swamped to worry about, Goddamn had like 4 posts. I hope she can give us some reads soon.

Swamped if you aren't caught up yet could you give us some reads/thoughts at each day end?
 

*Splinter

Member
I'm off to the Edinburgh Fringe today so I will probably be out for the entire day.


In that case, I'd like a quick and dirty reads list out in case I am turbo'd.


Strong scum
09. [m] Bronx-Man – EST
03. [m] Ri'Orius – PST


Lean scum
06. [m] Kyanrute - GMT+2
19. [m] isaacnukem - UTC+8
21. [m] Flame_AC – EST

????

13. [m] Blargonaut – GMT
17. [m] *Splinter – GMT
20. [m] Zippedpinhead – EST
05. [m] TheGoddamn - UTC+8 [f] Swamped
10. [m] SkyOdin – PST


Lean Town

02. [m] Zeusy - New – PST
16. [m] Lone_Prodigy – PST

Strong Town

01. [f] WaffleTaco - New – CST
22. [m] Kalor – BST
04. [m] OceanicAir – CST
Why is SkyOdin null, I thought you were scumreading him? Or am I remembering wrong?

How is Kalor strong town?
 

cabot

Member
Sky is a bit of a blind read. Kalor seems normal. I saw him play scum he posts a hell of a lot more. I also town read his vote yesterday. The only worrying post I remember is when he said town was in A bad spot which I thought was unneeded and Ominous
 

*Splinter

Member
Zeusy, your case against Blarg makes sense and the only reason I don't suspect him for it is because it's Blarg, he does this shit every game unfortunately.

Who else do you think is scum?
 

Kyanrute

Member
This is bad.

I was only thinking of the possibility of the second killing party trying to get me.

There's no way scum was killing me after day 2

The hardest, but why do you think scum would kill him? He's a very likely lynch candidate and (if town) possibly untargetable, he'd by my absolute last choice of NK.

Like I said yesterday, I did not get the point of cabot's play. I called the OG claim a joke (to myself) the moment I saw it, but since the point of it was, I thought, to obfuscate whether or not he could commute on n2, I said nothing. Timing of the claim was off and all, but I wanted to see how he'd play the presumed gambit forward.

Then he claims the expected, the odd-night commuter and that kinda screws with my original assumption. Why clarify when you can be killed? Then I changed to the silly idea that he is actually a even-night commuter and is trying to bait a kill so it'd miss. So I tamed my public suspicion towards cabot when commenting on it, to make him look more of a lucrative target.

So that was my line of thought before the kill. cabot, I don't suppose the you have a better explanation for the claim today than yesterday? Cuz right now all I see that you claim a commuter when I was redirected to you. That seems extremely reactionary to me.
 
I suppose scum could've killed bats for that item stuff but I never believed it, am I the only one?

I believed it because no one I've ever encountered in GAFia has the stones to lie about their Role like I do

Everyone tells the truth here

seriously, go back and check

No liars
 

Kalor

Member
You have so far consistently avoided making any arguments to back up your town/scum reads, Kalor. Last day phase, you voted for me, claiming that I was the only person who stood out to you. However, you were pretty blatently bandwagoning off of Kawl and Blarg's votes for me.

It feels like you are just going with the flow instead of forming your own opinions.

What is your read on cabot right now? Or how about OceanicAir?

Saying that I've consistently avoided making arguments is wrong. I opened the day as the first one to vote with reasoning attached to it. There's been times where I've said something and didn't have examples but some reads are going to be based on gut. Especially in your case where I voted for you on day 2. Also I've mostly been playing on mobile so looking up other people's posts is more of a hassle. I'm not sticking with the vote on you today but that's because I think ri'orius is more likely to be scum.

Cabot is someone I go back and forth on. When they claimed commuter I considered that they were scum but now their posts today have me leaning town. The way that they handled their claim feels like something town would do as well. OA is someone that I need to look at again because I don't remember what I thought about them yesterday.

Sky is a bit of a blind read. Kalor seems normal. I saw him play scum he posts a hell of a lot more. I also town read his vote yesterday. The only worrying post I remember is when he said town was in A bad spot which I thought was unneeded and Ominous

I only posted that bad spot post because I was bothered by how the day ended. Looking at it now it does seem Ominous.
 
This Mafia feels like they've got at least 1 or 2 "ideas" people, going by their target selections so far. But shallow-type, predictable ideas; avoiding bets & Kawl N1 to kill... Timeaisis? Then offing betsnacks?

By-the-book weakling scum. Afraid to gun for the real contributors OR they need that volume to keep their low-activity rank-and-file in play.

We're dealing with a team of casuals here. I'd say 5; 3 quiet ones with 2 more knowledgeable leaders.

Absbro didn't die by scum, he was likely killed by a Town-interest party N1, as he was D1's 2nd-most scum-read. Or else he died protecting Kawl, set off a Kawlveteran trap.

And FWIW, I think that cabot Role-claimed erratically as he did, because he's been leading the scum team by-the-book thus far and this is his wilder way of fun-compensating for his boring scum tactics. "Work hard, play hard" so to speak
 
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If CCS Possessed Kyanrute N1, and we got 2 dead N1

I think CCS lied about redirecting Kyan to cabot

I think CCS sent Kyan to Absbro N1; CCS thinking he was helping Town by moving against D1's 2nd-most scum-read, Absbro... but when Absbro died and turned out to be our Doctor, Neutral CCS balked and lied that he redirected to cabot, to save face

Kyan must have been scum to have been Possessed to kill Absbro

That's why Kyan wouldn't vote against cabot Yesterday, because they're scum-mates

CCS just happened to lie in a way that pinned 2 scum to the pressure; straight-up revealed Kyan to be scum, and got cabot to Role-claim as (Odd-Night) Commuter defensively!

shit

VOTE: Kyanrute
 
and CCS had motive to lie to Town and not inform us of his real redirection end-target in Absbro, not cabot; just to spite us, because of the way Town treated him with lack of alternatives

Or else *Splinter is Mafia instead of cabot...
 

WaffleTaco

Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
and CCS had motive to lie to Town and not inform us of his real redirection end-target in Absbro, not cabot; just to spite us, because of the way Town treated him with lack of alternatives

Or else *Splinter is Mafia instead of cabot...

Your avatar is petty much how I feel after reading that lol. Like you make this case, and at the last second you mention how Splinter could be scum.
 

Swamped

Banned
Thoughts on D1

Well, it makes sense that Batsnacks died tonight, he was the innocent child. Maybe scum feared if they targeted him earlier there would be a doctor on him? Maybe they thought the time was ripe given the number of PRs who have died so far, including the doctor.

I've only played one other game with Isaac so it's unfair for me to generalize, but he seems uncharacteristically enthusiastic so far (still reading D1, maybe things have changed now, will get there).

also, cabot is being quiet.... which is a scum tell for him? no wait, thats my scum tell....I think scum cabot is more manipulative. so he's probably town. or drunk. or drunk town.

Kawl bringing attention to one of his own scumtells because he is maybe acting actively against it?

Ahhh, I missed Kyan's quality shit posts (is that an oxymoron?)

VOTE: AbsolutBro

1. You seem to be coyly suggesting we could kill batsnacks
2. You're trying to muddy the waters around batsnacks, which is beautifully clear water you find in the finest of swimming pools.

Cabot's first point is really stretching it. Trying to create artificial dirt on AB? Well, we now know that AB was town.

OOOO interesting move from acohrs! So Kawl is confirmed town too!

AB seems to be the subject of a lot of shade already...from Splinter and Kyan too.

Hold on, how was that Kyanrute's fault? Acohrs mostly seemed to be reacting to Kawl and cabot's actions. Kyanrute only started asking questions after acohrs entered his day phase command, which is a natural time to ask questions.

Sky low-key trying to protect Kyan?

So far, Splinter is giving me town vibes, and I think I'm fairly good at reading him.

Some back-and-forth between Cabot and CCS, which doesn't read like scum vs scum to me. Turns out CCS was a neutral.

Personally, I want to know why it's "InFAMOUS" instead of "inFAMOUS" like in the game itself.

Also, just gonna mention Kawl again because of Time's vote. I've discussed Kawl because they were the one's being discussed when I was around, that or I wanted to point something out.

I'm leaning towards voting Bronx-Man right now, but I'll wait a little while.

So far not feeling Flame's posts. Why wait on the vote? Why Bronx in the first place? The only noteworthy thing he had done was back-and-forth with Blarg, and Flame doesn't mention Blarg at all.

VOTE: Dusk Soldier

Bronx's Dusk vote literally comes out of nowhere. Such blatant bandwagonning can't be a scum move right?

possibly BUT LOOK AT THE DASHES, CCS

WHY would these 8 particular players have regular dashes between their names and their timezones, when everyone else has em dashes there?

Especially with acohrs, a now-confirmed Power Role, as one of the 8??

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I died XD

I'm thinking flame_AC may be scum, just the right amount of posts to not posting, I don't really understand the Bronx man vote.

However, I'm getting scum tells from timeaisis as well. It could be lunch/break posting, but his posts seem stacked. Like he doesnt have much to worry about. However, like I said, it could just be posting during lunch/breaks (I know I'm just as guilty). And Timeaisis has voted for flame_AC.

So, for the time being, I'm voting for flame_AC. Just got that feeling today.

vote: Flame_AC

Not feeling great about the timing or reasoning behind this vote. Kyan also voted a few posts prior but prior to that he was toying with the idea, saying he had some gut feelz about Flame.

So, Dusk gets voted out, the vigilante. I didn't even think his posts were that bad lol. As a replacement player, I love how I can come in and take the moral high ground :p AB was runner up. I know that he and Time died N1. AB would have been a good Vig target, but the vig was dead at this point.

Ugh I think I'll have much better reads on players after reading D2. Playing catch up is tougher than I thought.
 

Swamped

Banned
Will get around to D2 in a few hours. Seems like T_G wasn't particularly active, any questions people have for me in the mean time?
 

Kyanrute

Member
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If CCS Possessed Kyanrute N1, and we got 2 dead N1

I think CCS lied about redirecting Kyan to cabot

I think CCS sent Kyan to Absbro N1; CCS thinking he was helping Town by moving against D1's 2nd-most scum-read, Absbro... but when Absbro died and turned out to be our Doctor, Neutral CCS balked and lied that he redirected to cabot, to save face

Kyan must have been scum to have been Possessed to kill Absbro

That's why Kyan wouldn't vote against cabot Yesterday, because they're scum-mates

CCS just happened to lie in a way that pinned 2 scum to the pressure; straight-up revealed Kyan to be scum, and got cabot to Role-claim as (Odd-Night) Commuter defensively!

shit

VOTE: Kyanrute

naaah
 
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