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[gamz]

I can see how Minecraft would've been associated with the 360, but not the One.

One is an Xbox, so yeah.

 

[ViciousDS]

No it's not, come on man, PS3 slim dropped a lot of price while One X is something significantly expensive than One S, most of normal consumers will get One S if they plan to buy Xbox One, not even MS think One X is big and will make Xbox come back(compare to Sony in sales).

damn it max!!!!!! I'm talking GAMEs......the games my boy!!!!!


I had a 360 only till 2009 and then finally got a PS3 ( you are correct though, I bought it because of the Price finally and the slim model.....but the games ultimately made that decision insanely that much easier to make.) in 2010 because of FFXIII and future titles that were announced at E3 2009 like uncharted 2, MAG, FFXIV online at the time......took awhile for this one to come lol,Gran Turismo 5, Last Guardian (grrrrrrr), and God of War 3.

 

[daTRUballin]

One is an Xbox, so yeah.

That doesn't mean Minecraft couldn't potentially be more associated with the PS4 this gen. It does have a larger install base, after all. Last gen, more people favored the 360 over the PS3. This time it's the other way around.

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

damn it max!!!!!! I'm talking GAMEs......the games my boy!!!!!


I had a 360 only till 2009 and then finally got a PS3 in 2010 because of FFXIII and future titles that were announced at E3 2009 like uncharted 2, MAG, FFXIV online at the time......took awhile for this one to come lol,Gran Turismo 5, Last Guardian (grrrrrrr), and God of War 3.

One X getting lots of games in this fall, what? don't tell me "launch games", by then PS4 Pro only have one "launch game", but i don't think amount of "launch games" with mid-gen consoles are matters.

 

[ViciousDS]

One X getting lots of games in this fall, what? don't tell me "launch games", by then PS4 Pro only have one "launch game", but i don't think amount of "launch games" with mid-gen consoles are matters.

if it didn't matter with the Pro, it doesn't matter here.


They are enthusiast consoles and we are not discussing the consoles at hand.....but the exclusives overall. Microsoft's overall portfolio is insanely shallow this year

 

[gamz]

That doesn't mean Minecraft couldn't potentially be more associated with the PS4 this gen. It does have a larger install base, after all. Last gen, more people favored the 360 over the PS3. This time it's the other way around.

Just going by sales charts I've ever seen I've never seen MC PS4 above Xbox. I mean you could be right though. I don't have facts to back it up.

Anyway, back to my original reply Ori has sold very well on Xbox and probably the most loved game on Xbox this gen.

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

if it didn't matter with the Pro, it doesn't matter here.


They are enthusiast consoles and we are not discussing the consoles at hand.....but the exclusives overall. Microsoft's overall portfolio is insanely shallow this year

And it will in at least for next 2-3 years, it's what MS doing right now, service, 3rd party games, few console exclusive, if you don't like it, don't buy it, money talks, and show MS you don't like what they're doing by not buying anything relate to Xbox.

Though why they're doing this right now is also because money, they're profiting with current strategy.

 

[That1BlackGuy]

I hate how console warriory this sounds, but is the general Xbox consumer base really all that interested in exclusives outside the trifecta of Halo, Gears and Forza?

For full context, my personal experience with Xbox is limited. I owned a XBO for a number of years before trading it in for a Switch, but otherwise have never owned a MS console. That said, the impression I've always had was that Xbox exclusives outside Halo/Gears/Forza tend to only be moderately successful at best.

Off memory, Blue Dragon, Phantom Dust, Sunset Overdrive and ReCore were all exclusives that just came and went. Tomb Raider was a launch exclusive and notoriously underperformed. The only non trinity exclusives I know of that even got a sequel are Mass Effect and Titanfall, and both got sequels that came out on other consoles. I will grant that the ME franchise was strongly associated with the 360 and did very well on that platform, but that's the only one I'm aware of that found success as a Xbox exclusive.

Absolutely, the success of games on Xbox One like Ark Survival Evolved, Friday The 13th, SMITE, State of Decay, Ori and so forth proves that Xbox consumers like the other manufacturers consumer base enjoy a variety of games.

Also you forgot Fable, before Halo/Forza/Gears it was Halo/Forza/Fable.

 

[Papacheeks]

if it didn't matter with the Pro, it doesn't matter here.


They are enthusiast consoles and we are not discussing the consoles at hand.....but the exclusives overall. Microsoft's overall portfolio is insanely shallow this year

My outlook is it's been extremely shallow since the beginning. Although games like Sunset Overdrive, ORI, made me think other wise when they started out.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

I guess they may be struggling with getting funding approved for new first party stuff? Most Xbox games don't appeal to me, but I'd like to eventually get a One S for Rare Reply and Cuphead. Maybe a few others. No interest in stuff like Forza, I prefer racers like Burnout in comparison. Oh, and an One S for 4K blu-ray, because I have a 4K TV but nothing yet to watch 4K discs with.

If that's the case, then how do they expect to move systems and a higher ratio of Xbox Live subscribers if they are not willing to invest? Not saying it's true but if it was...they are not the new guys in the gaming world, three generations now so you would think they have a stern grasp of things.

It says a lot that these discussions don't seem to go away with MS/Xbox, not just this forum but social media and the gaming press. It's the consoles fourth year, it should be hitting its stride, it shouldn't be questioned like this.

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

If that's the case, then how do they expect to move systems and a higher ratio of Xbox Live subscribers if they are not willing to invest? Not saying it's true but if it was...they are not the new guys in the gaming world, three generations now so you would think they have a stern grasp of things.

It says a lot that these discussions don't seem to go away with MS/Xbox, not just this forum but social media and the gaming press. It's the consoles fourth year, it should be hitting its stride, it shouldn't be questioned like this.

Because from MS's vision it's not getting "questioned", it's doing fine, moving systems and keep increasing Xbox Live subscribers, and the "social media" you talking about i guess is just some kind of gaming or tech site, which do you think how many mainstream players ever read any news from there?
One thing i'm sure is these "social media" yelling Xbox is in danger since 2013 and they will keep doing same in the future, but at the same time, Xbox will still doing fine in 2018, 2019, 2020 and so on, and from what i see this kind of "Xbox will die soon" article has become a "yearly" or "quarterly" report that getting hits, even though nothing is gonna change lol.

 

[Samanosuke Akechi]

Wow this thread sure turned crazy. Hedon and nekk something sorta went off the deep end it seems. Just play what makes you happy and that's it. I swear some ppl take games way too seriously. Lol

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

I could have gotten an xbox one for free, and I almost did, but I went and got a ps4 for this very reason.

 

[DKPOWPOW]

Yeah, they seem almost like a different company then with the OG Xbox and 360.

Before owning the Xbox I remember games like Splinter Cell, Shenmue II, Gunvalkyrie, JSRF, Otogi, Ninja Gaiden, DoA3, Conker pushing me to get one (besides of course Halo).

And with the 360 you had Halo 3, DoA4, Ninja Gaiden II, Call of Duty II, Perfect Dark Zero (I liked it), Oblivion, BioShock in the first year that were either exclusive or timed (console) exclusive.

They came out of the gates hungry, and it showed. Nowadays it just doesn't feel like that all. Halo, Gears, and Forza is not enough. Sunset Overdrive looks really good, but I haven't bought an Xbox One (or a PS4 lol, but I will for Shenmue III).

It kinda seems like they gave up, or maybe 3rd parties weren't interested in exclusives for them. The One X is certainly powerful, and maybe that will give them the edge they need but I'm unsure whether anything is really going to change.

I think they need to take a page from Nintendo, and try to create something new and fresh.

 

[//DEVIL//]

Wow this thread sure turned crazy. Hedon and nekk something sorta went off the deep end it seems. Just play what makes you happy and that's it. I swear some ppl take games way too seriously. Lol

but what to play on xbox one ? the number of exclusive games they have is less than 5 this whole year. all the other games are multiplatform. who cares if one system has a better grass so far away you cant see it unless you put the consoles facing each other ?


The games is what matters. and MS almost has nothing

 

[hydragonwarrior]

I think they wanted to adopt a more "third party" strategy and rely on that to carry them through. With the near extinction of Kinect type games, they're probably wary of doing another foray into first party development unless it's guaranteed a success.

And MS still has the means for that since it's now established that third party games can sell on it

 

[anothertech]

Though why they're doing this right now is also because money, they're profiting with current strategy.

Nah, with a 2:1 worldwide deficit against their competitor, I'd say not really. They know this, as they are not that obtuse.

The issue here is just the poor outlook for new and interesting first party output. Banking on third party when your competitors install base is more than twice the size and advertising the same games is ludicrous.

Any Xbox fan should feel the need for more diverse first party output.

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

Nah, with a 2:1 worldwide deficit against their competitor, I'd say not really. They know this, as they are not that obtuse.

Just because their competitor doing a lot better doesn't mean they're not doing fine, it's not a market that either you win or you die.
From MS's vision they think they're doing fine, that's it.

 

[Rymuth]

Just because their competitor doing a lot better doesn't mean they're not doing fine, it's not a market that either you win or you die.
From MS's vision they think they're doing fine, that's it.

A company is what they do, not what they say...otherwise they would've made true on their promise not to give up the 30% advantage.

Sales declining YOY in your strongest territory is not fine. Your 2nd party jumping ship is not business as usual.

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

A company is what they do, not what they say...otherwise they would've made true on their promise not to give up the 30% advantage.

Sales declining YOY in your strongest territory is not fine. Your 2nd party jumping ship is not business as usual.

Like i said earlier, selling the console is not their primary target, they just want consumer's money by any way, if selling the console is what they primary want to do, they would already stopped XPA(yes i agree real exclusive do push console sales).

Declining YOY, yes, so? overall their profit is keep doing better, that's what it matter for MS, and if this part also start significantly declining, they will do something, like start making more exclusives(maybe even without XPA), or simply close Xbox division, but now? it's not good or bad enough to push them to making any big move.

 

[LegendofDragoonLives]

I am not sure how my post differs from any of your pointless posts?

What has Phil Spencer NOT done that he stated he was GOING to do? Besides the fact that in his interview 2 months ago he said he is working on fixing their hardware problems first, and then getting the games going. He has has stated that he has signed new game deals that they have coming, and he said he has no desire to take 3rd party games and make them exclusive to the Xbox.

I am a long time gamer who prefers console gaming (though I do game on my PC as well for games like ARMA III, etc). But I have my Xbox for games like Halo, Quantum Break, Tacoma, Ori. I have my PS Pro for games like Nier, The Last Guardian, Journey, etc. Xbox has enough games on it that my backlog is big. PS has enough games on it that my backlog is big as well.

It really seems like people such as yourself have an issue with gamers enjoying all of the experiences instead of choosing a side.

I have no problems with gamers enjoying what they want, I'm just talking about the Mattrick patsy discussion. What I'm talking about has literally nothing to do with a person enjoying a particular console. If MS has enough games for you, good on ya. However if we look at quantity/quality, they are lacking generally speaking. That doesn't mean that for some people that's not the case, I'm talking generally here.

I don't see how Phil talking about fixing games 4 years after he's been in charge somehow absolves him of the shitty job he's been doing overall in getting enough exclusive games on his platform. Or why a scrub like Mattrick had a much better console exclusive launch than the new console Phil is leading. The 360 also had a better case than XBX1. And yeah after 4 years of doing a pitiful job in terms of getting exclusive games on the platform, I'm going to need some receipts than buy some pr speech from Phil.

And it's absolutely hilarious that the second that companies won't have their big games exclusive to Xbox due to Sony dominating, he's changed his tune to "we won't buy games for exclusives now, we're above that". You know.. like he was for the timed Tomb Raider game. You have to be really naive to believe he wouldn't have gotten that 3rd party game he closed E3 with as an exclusive if he didn't have to pay a ludicrous amount of money.

 

[Uno Venova]

Like i said earlier, selling the console is not their primary target, they just want consumer's money by any way, if selling the console is what they primary want to do, they would already stopped XPA(yes i agree real exclusive do push console sales).

Declining YOY, yes, so? overall their profit is keep doing better, that's what it matter for MS, and if this part also start significantly declining, they will do something, like start making more exclusives(maybe even without XPA), or simply close Xbox division, but now? it's not good or bad enough to push them to making any big move.

Are their revenues and profits generally better now than last generation? I don’t really know.

 

[Ricky_R]

I don't see how Phil talking about fixing games 4 years after he's been in charge somehow absolves him of the shitty job he's been doing overall in getting enough exclusive games on his platform. Or why a scrub like Mattrick had a much better console exclusive launch than the new console Phil is leading. The 360 also had a better case than XBX1. And yeah after 4 years of doing a pitiful job in terms of getting exclusive games on the platform, I'm going to need some receipts than buy some pr speech from Phil.

To be fair, Mattrick was in a better position back then to either invest in first party or acquire third party exclusives (before the shittastic launch anyway). Phil has probably been having a harder time than Mattrick on that front.

I agree with you either way.

 

[VincentMatts]

They did that so well on 360, every month practically had a game. Really dropped the ball this gen

 

[EmiPrime]

I hope the Horizon ZD and Uncharted single player expansions do really well and motivate Microsoft to give it a go too. Halo and Gears expansions would have been nice this year.

 

[LegendofDragoonLives]

To be fair, Mattrick was in a better position back then to either invest in first party or acquire third party exclusives (before the shittastic launch anyway). Phil has probably been having a harder time than Mattrick on that front.

I agree with you either way.

No you're definitely right on that front. Mattrick did have it easier. But I'm using it as an example for the guy who for whatever fucking reason seems to be absolved of wrongdoings on this particular subject when he's clearly done a shitty job. I just don't see a single valid point that shows him doing well in terms of getting more AAA titles to allure people to get the console. People for some weird reason can't accept this fact and seem to be making excuses for him even after 4+ years that he's been working. Four years.


My argument has nothing to do with people enjoying x console they enjoy, or MS's financials (they're doing fine, Sony is just swimming in money so it's tough to compare), or other things that people seem to bring up.

 

[VincentMatts]

No you're definitely right on that front. Mattrick did have it easier. But I'm using it as an example for the guy who for whatever fucking reason seems to be absolved of wrongdoings on this particular subject when he's clearly done a shitty job. I just don't see a single valid point that shows him doing well in terms of getting more AAA titles to allure people to get the console. People for some weird reason can't accept this fact and seem to be making excuses for him even after 4+ years that he's been working. Four years.


My argument has nothing to do with people enjoying x console they enjoy, or MS's financials (they're doing fine, Sony is just swimming in money so it's tough to compare), or other things that people seem to bring up.

It takes about 4 years to make the games. If we dont start seeing results soon like end of this year and next year then yeah i agree. The games wont magically appear on your first day on the job. They have to be developed first.

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

No you're definitely right on that front. Mattrick did have it easier. But I'm using it as an example for the guy who for whatever fucking reason seems to be absolved of wrongdoings on this particular subject when he's clearly done a shitty job. I just don't see a single valid point that shows him doing well in terms of getting more AAA titles to allure people to get the console. People for some weird reason can't accept this fact and seem to be making excuses for him even after 4+ years that he's been working. Four years.


My argument has nothing to do with people enjoying x console they enjoy, or MS's financials (they're doing fine, Sony is just swimming in money so it's tough to compare), or other things that people seem to bring up.

It takes about 4 years to make the games. If we dont start seeing results soon like end of this year and next year then yeah i agree. The games wont magically appear on your first day on the job. They have to be developed first.

Actually, Phil become head of Xbox in April 2014, so it's 3 years only.

Are their revenues and profits generally better now than last generation? I don't really know.

100% more than early 360 days(since there's RROD), but i think it's worse than Kinect years, but ugh, even MS want to have some big move, Kinect won't be the thing they want to try again lol.

 

[Liabe Brave]

Are their revenues and profits generally better now than last generation? I don’t really know.

No one knows for really sure, because Microsoft quit publishing the full revenue and profit numbers. But they do occasionally tout individual good results, from which it appears the Xbox One is doing better than the early years of 360, but worse than the later years.

It takes about 4 years to make the games. If we dont start seeing results soon like end of this year and next year then yeah i agree. The games wont magically appear on your first day on the job. They have to be developed first.

Phil Spencer has been the head of Microsoft's first-party studios and a corporate vice-president for 8 years.

 

[VincentMatts]

No one knows for really sure, because Microsoft quit publishing the full revenue and profit numbers. But they do occasionally tout individual good results, from which it appears the Xbox One is doing better than the early years of 360, but worse than the later years.


Phil Spencer has been the head of Microsoft's first-party studios and a corporate vice-president for 8 years.

yes, and theyve always done a good job until he left and became head of xbox. Ironic.

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

yes, and theyve always done a good job until he left and became head of xbox. Ironic.

Because Nadella is in charge right now, i'm not sure people why always only counting Don and Phil while they both report to Ballmer/Nadella.

If anything, you guys should hope that crazy dude Ballmer come back lol.

 

[watdaeff4]

I hope the Horizon ZD and Uncharted single player expansions do really well and motivate Microsoft to give it a go too. Halo and Gears expansions would have been nice this year.

As a SP gamer I hear you, but I bet MS is making more cash (profit) off their Gears and Halo MTs than they would from SP expansions.

Even Bill Gates was a big supporter of xbox.

The new bosses don't seem to care about it and that's dangerous.

They care, their approach is just different

 

[PositiveGamer]

Because Nadella is in charge right now, i'm not sure people why always only counting Don and Phil while they both report to Ballmer/Nadella.

If anything, you guys should hope that crazy dude Ballmer come back lol.

Even Bill Gates was a big supporter of xbox.

The new bosses don't seem to care about it and that's dangerous.

 

[joecanada]

Wow this thread sure turned crazy. Hedon and nekk something sorta went off the deep end it seems. Just play what makes you happy and that's it. I swear some ppl take games way too seriously. Lol

Yeah the thread was never about list wars or console wars it's about facts ... Many including the op already own an Xbox. Forget all the other systems the question was what Ms games are coming to look forward to? Which ones are people looking for? What are they releasing in spring/summer? That's it.

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

Even Bill Gates was a big supporter of xbox.

The new bosses don't seem to care about it and that's dangerous.

He care since it's a way to letting people join their service world.
He just don't think making bunch of new AAA exclusive is worth for the money spend.

 

[VincentMatts]

He care since it's a way to letting people join their service world.
He just don't think making bunch of new AAA exclusive is worth for the money spend.

No one knows that. They wouldnt keep making new consoles if there was no intention to invest in games for it. The 2 go hand in hand.

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

No one knows that. They wouldnt keep making new consoles if there was no intention to invest in games for it. The 2 go hand in hand.

It's not really that matter MS keep making console or not for Xbox division's life, because MS don't think Xbox is (just) a console brand anymore. The 2 go hand in hand for Sony and Nintendo, but not MS, MS clearly going different route.

 

[Deleted member 471617]

For me personally, the quantity for Xbox One exclusives was half as much as it is for PlayStation 4 going into 2017 but now, it's like 3 to 1. The bigger issue is the quality difference. PS4 exclusives have simply been better than Xbox One exclusives this generation. When your console's best overall game is a racing/driving game in Forza Horizon 3, that should probably tell you something. No disrespect to FH3 as I bought an Xbox One Slim (for the second time since launch) last December once I saw the Blizzard Mountain expansion. FH3 is an easy 9/10 if not better but it's just sad that a racing/driving game gives you better quality than all the other games released.

I will say this though, I have completed four Xbox One exclusives - Ryse, base game for FH2 (must admit I kind of rushed it since I want to get back to FH3 as I played it for 10 hours or so at launch but wanted to play FH2 first), Quantum Break and Gears of War 4.

My own personal ratings for each game is 7.5/10, 8.0/10, 7.0/10 and 8.5/10 respectively. 7.0/10 is "good" on my scale though. I enjoyed all four games for what they were. I know that FH3 will most likely hit my 9.0/10 rating as will Ori and the Blind Forest but I don't see Super Lucky's Tale, ReCore: DE or State of Decay 2 hitting that. Thankfully, Ori 2 and the pretty much guaranteed FH4 probably will.

On the other side, I have completed eight PS4 exclusives - Knack, The Order: 1886, Until Dawn, Alienation, Shadow of the Beast, Uncharted 4, Horizon: Zero Dawn and Nex Machina: Death Machine.

My own personal ratings for each game is 6.0/10, 7.5/10, 7.0/10, 8.5/10, 6.0/10, 8.5/10, 9.5/10 and 8.0/10 respectively. Granted, there's a few lower scored games but I have also played more exclusives on PS4 than I have on Xbox One. I still have Ratchet & Clank and Stories: The Path of Destinies as well as Hellblade, Matterfall, Uncharted: TLL and Knack 2 between now and the next few weeks.

Like the majority, I would love to see Microsoft step up, form/buy a few development studios and develop new IP's but at the same time, it would take years to do so which would be at best an Xbox One cross gen game with it going on their next console in 2020 or beyond. It's just that I know that they're not going to do what I would like to see them do and quite simply, Microsoft is already in the Games as a Service (GAAS) business and these games rarely if ever appeal to me and thus, im not going to buy them.

That's the main difference for me. Microsoft is concentrating on GAAS where as Sony is concentrating on single player story driven games which is what I want and prefer.

With all of that said, im still enjoying Xbox One Slim exclusively for exclusives that I want to play and on the bright side, I still have a few games that im looking forward to playing. The reason I can enjoy the console is simple - im accepting Microsoft and Xbox One Slim for what they are as opposed for what I want them to be.

On a side note - im a pure 100% console gamer and have no interest in PC gaming so any game from either side that's also on PC means absolutely nothing to me as I still look at those games as exclusives because they're not on the "other" home console.

 

[VincentMatts]

It's not really that matter MS keep making console or not for Xbox division's life, because MS don't think Xbox is (just) a console brand anymore. The 2 go hand in hand for Sony and Nintendo, but not MS, MS clearly going different route.

They still need games console or not. What you say makes no sense.

Nothing on the xbox live service gets used without the games. Its not an apple tv, its a gaming division.

 

[Gestault]

The bigger issue is the quality difference. PS4 exclusives have simply been better than Xbox One exclusives this generation. When your console's best overall game is a racing/driving game in Forza Horizon 3, that should probably tell you something.

It sounds like it's a genre you don't value as highly, which is fine in it's own way, but that's a bizarre way to look at the quality spectrum of a platform in a broader sense. For all of Microsoft's failings as a publisher, they're legitimately home to the two highest-quality racing franchises in the industry, which now release on PC as well as their Xbox platform. Using that area of success as a point of criticism due to the genre is as misguided as someone who's not a fan of [any particular genre] dismissing a game portfolio because the high point falls into a certain genre.

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

They still need games console or not. What you say makes no sense.

Nothing on the xbox live service gets used without the games. Its not an apple tv, its a gaming division.

It make sense because what i'm saying is all about money, if they could find a way making people buying XBL gold without console, they will do it, of course the chance is almost none.

And yeah they have games, like many people said, few AAA console exclusives, some small console exclusives, bunch of 3rd party games, service such as game pass and EA access...it's fine you think that's not enough/not worth it, many people here will agree with you, but at the same time many people also think it's enough/worth to buy.

 

[AmuroChan]

I think at this point XBox just appeals to a slightly different audience than Sony or Nintendo. MS tried the exclusives route dating back to 360 with games like Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, Ninety-Nine Nights, Too Human, etc and then this gen with Ryse, DR4, Quantum Break, Sunset Overdrive, etc. Outside of a few exceptions, none of them were really giant commercial successes. So it makes sense for them to evaluate different strategies and it seems like a service-based business model has worked well for them.

 

[Ricky_R]

It's not really that matter MS keep making console or not for Xbox division's life, because MS don't think Xbox is (just) a console brand anymore. The 2 go hand in hand for Sony and Nintendo, but not MS, MS clearly going different route.

MS still needs to sell consoles if they want growth for whatever other metric they're interested in now.

 

[Gestault]

MS still needs to sell consoles if they want growth for whatever other metric they're interested in now.

"Whatever other metric" isn't some esoteric set of criteria to divine. I agree with what you're saying overall about needing a presence in the console space as a "root," but their goals are [selling game software] and [selling services around those games]. They can thrive just as easily as any company in the PC space. Mind you, exclusives in their platform portfolios are still key in that.

 

[LegendofDragoonLives]

It takes about 4 years to make the games. If we dont start seeing results soon like end of this year and next year then yeah i agree. The games wont magically appear on your first day on the job. They have to be developed first.

I agree and for the first 2 or so years, I stepped back and gave him a break. This year's E3 for me was the time to show what he has been doing all this time. And he closed with a game that's on other consoles and isn't even timed exclusive. The other big game was Forza.

Actually, Phil become head of Xbox in April 2014, so it's 3 years only.



100% more than early 360 days(since there's RROD), but i think it's worse than Kinect years, but ugh, even MS want to have some big move, Kinect won't be the thing they want to try again lol.

Mattrick was fired shortly after E3, wasn't he? Maybe I'm wrong. I thought he was fired mid 2013 and Phil was kind of an interim until officially early 2014. Who knows. That gives him a wee bit more time.

 

[Ricky_R]

"Whatever other metric" isn't some esoteric set of criteria to divine. I agree with what you're saying overall about needing a presence in the console space as a "root," but their goals are [selling game software] and [selling services around those games]. They can thrive just as easily as any company in the PC space. Mind you, exclusives in their platform portfolios are still key in that.

I agree that they could thrive without consoles, but for that they basically must shift focus completely. Right now, they need console sales to increase both software and services revenue. We would also need to know real numbers to see how much of their software and services sales come from consoles and/or from PC. If consoles cover a good chunk then they would have to look for other ways to bring in money if they would ever exit the console business.

That's a lot of ifs, obviously, but I'm just trying to point out that, at this moment in time, they need to move hardware if they want their current business model to grow.

 

[Gestault]

That's a lot of ifs, obviously, but I'm just trying to point out that, at this moment in time, they need to move hardware if they want their current business model to grow.

Absolutely

 

[Deleted member 471617]

It sounds like it's a genre you don't value as highly, which is fine in it's own way, but that's a bizarre way to look at the quality spectrum of a platform in a broader sense. For all of Microsoft's failings as a publisher, they're legitimately home to the two highest-quality racing franchises in the industry, which now release on PC as well as their Xbox platform. Using that area of success as a point of criticism due to the genre is as misguided as someone who's not a fan of [any particular genre] dismissing a game portfolio because the high point falls into a certain genre.

I'm not dismissing the genre or the game franchise. In fact, it was FH3 that got me back into the racing/driving genre and led me to buy FH2, Storm Island and Blizzard Mountain. As great as both FH and FM are, neither should be the console's best game(s). I look at PS4 and see GT Sport (which like FM im not interested in whatsoever because I prefer the more arcade style of FH) and if that was to be the console's best game over Horizon, Uncharted, etc., as a fan, I would be disappointed because regardless of the genre, the best game on your console should in no way, shape or form be a racing/driving game because at the end of the day, regardless of how great that racing/driving game is, that's literally ALL you're doing.

Take Horizon for example. It's a hack and slash, exploration, story and characters are good, there's stealth and some shooting as well as RPG elements plus the gameplay is excellent. Basically, it offers a far more total and complete package than ANY racing/driving game would simply because of what you're doing throughout the game.

I literally finished FH2 last night and will start the Storm Island expansion at some point within the next two weeks. It's great and I know that I'll enjoy and love FH3 even more but would I choose FH3 over say Horizon ZD? Hell no.

Racing/driving definitely isn't my favorite genre but FH3 is what made me get back into it but I would never choose it over Horizon Zero Dawn or Uncharted and that's the main problem - Xbox One doesn't have an Horizon Zero Dawn or even an Uncharted level type game that when you look and play it, you can easily say that it's the console's BEST without even thinking about it and that no racing/driving game regardless of how great it is matches it let alone surpasses it.

For me, it mainly comes down to what im going to be doing throughout the game. If all im doing is racing/driving a car, as great as it may be and obviously that's all a racing/driving game is, it's still not going to be better than all the different gameplay aspects and elements that you can do in Horizon ZD.

Also, think of this - take the old arcade racing games like Super Sprint, Super Off Road, etc. on NES. Would you really put them ahead of a SMB3? Even if you're diehard fan of those games, as great as they are, they're not as great as SMB3. And in the end, that is my ultimate point - your console's BEST game needs to offer the player a lot more than just racing/driving a car for hundreds of hours.

With all of that said, I do love FH3, own both FH2/FH3 digitally and am very much looking forward to FH4 next September but at the same time, for the console's BEST game, im simply expecting more and when it comes to Xbox One, im simply not getting it and probably won't.

 

[MilkyJoe]

but what to play on xbox one ? the number of exclusive games they have is less than 5 this whole year. all the other games are multiplatform. who cares if one system has a better grass so far away you cant see it unless you put the consoles facing each other ?


The games is what matters. and MS almost has nothing

There are tons of multiplats, jaysis who buys every exclusive?

 

[VincentMatts]

if it didn't matter with the Pro, it doesn't matter here.


They are enthusiast consoles and we are not discussing the consoles at hand.....but the exclusives overall. Microsoft's overall portfolio is insanely shallow this year

Its shallow only because games arent being rushed out. Now they dont force it anymore. They take their time, which is a good thing. Is it as good as previous years, no it isnt. But Sony also had a few years where there was nothing for months on end.

The expectations need to be realistic. Just because this is Microsoft and have money, it doesn't mean they'll just go out and buy everything. And the fact that Sony has a huge lead im sure isn't helping them this time around get more exclusives. On 360, they could do what they wanted since both were neck and neck.

Exclusive stuff isnt necessarily "good" stuff. Microsoft need to suffer now to make the future better and lets be real here, this generation is done. Sony won. There no reason to start forcing shit out for a losing cause. That means taking their time and making great games and potentially get new IPs for next gen. Do i wish they were coming out faster? Sure i do. But Rockstar dont rush out shit and make more money than god. Look at Sonys GT games. There hasnt been a real one in YEARS.

Quality over quantity. They just need to start hitting the "quality" part consistently. Thats what worries me more then the amount of games honestly.