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343 Rescinds Job Offer to Halo Community Member Over Forum Post
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This dude is done in the industry.
Like man, talk about someone who doesn't get it.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=250219832&postcount=1357
Like man, talk about someone who doesn't get it.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=250219832&postcount=1357
Twilight Princess
Member
He mentioned he already got 4 offers from diff studios. Hope they find out what a PR nightmare this anus really is.
It's worth seeing the level of shitheadedness and to realise just how much he was twisting the narrative. At this point it is very clear what sort of person he is
Won't somebody please think of the bigot!
Do you mean the personal attack CC video he posted a year ago while claiming that he hasn't said anything about CCs in over 2 years?
No of course that's terrible too.
Some were talking about ensuring he's never hired again. Which I take it involves contacting any company that extends him a job offer and pointing them to this stuff.
Like I said, exposing someone who made a public figure of themselves is one thing, and if that has fallout for them, their fault. But people here shouldn't actively try to interfere in his personal life.
LightningXCE
Member
He accepted an informal telling that he had the job.
No documents, no signatures, nothing.
He then quit, moved, sold all of this stuff.
I'm in no way defending him.
This is turning into a "witchhunt" and I think it was pretty clear that this isn't allowed on GAF?
He didn't get the job and the more details surfaced it was obvious he shouldn't get it. So? He got what he deserved?
Fyre has a personal problem with him because Fyre belonged to the CC group that the Multi dude targeted.
edit: seems like witchhunt was the wrong used word.
I don't see how it matters. They could have discovered this on his first day and fired him on the spot: he'd still be in the same situation, and 343i would still be in the right.
I disagree and think they should interfere. People should absolutely try to find what companies have reached out to him and be sure they know what type of human being they're allowing to have a place in this industry and community we all want to enjoy.
It's better off chasing out bigots like him.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
The games industry is small world enough that pretty much anyone in a position to hire is aware of this now. But then, there are devs with Gamergaters in their ranks so its not impossible hed get hired. There are people with a mentality similar to that expressed by some here; that his interpersonal skills dont matter as long as he can make good maps.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
Yeah thats shitty behaviour, especially when interpretation or abuse could play a part. Leave it to the employers to do their research.
Im not saying that this guy is misunderstood or anything - he seems like a grade A asshat. Im just saying that mobs shouldnt determine peoples careers.
Oh I get you, at this point what more is there to say. But the details coming out about the actual shit he has said was worth getting out, but yeh at this point his fate is signed, sealed, and delivered
Dyson Industries
Banned
Oh, I'm very interested in hearing about what company hires him next.
I'm certain many others would be very interested in that information as well.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
People really need to learn what witch hunt means. Its accusing someone without evidence, not finding MORE evidence that justifies a punishment.
Bits N Pieces
Member
Both sides.....
SenjutsuSage
Banned
It might seem excessive, but it's good to get the facts out there. Some might read that story and think that it's only about 343i not being able to take some harsh criticism, but there is plenty of valid reasons here to rescind any offer that was made.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
Itll be Palmer Luckeys new company.
aftercompletion
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CheesecakeRecipe
Stormy Grey
I don't think you understand what 'witchhunting' actually involves, especially in regards to GAF's definitions of it. Almost all threads that were closed due to witchhunting were the result of false evidence and people being blamed who were innocent, not people who were being outed as bigoted morons who have no remorse and genuinely believe the stupid things they say online.
you sure about the meaning? I thought the term was used for a group gathering and searching for stuff about a person who is said to be a danger to society? And a short google search seemed like it could be used for this aswell.
And he already got the punishment? I mean what do you think 343 does now to him?
Edit: seems like I was wrong about the term "witchhunt" and what it meant
Focusing on exposing and flushing out specific individuals is really not an effective way of actually combatting these attitudes in society. It just means that smarter people hide those attitudes until they get to a position of relative power that they can't be fired so easily.
Also any single individual is not the source of the problem. Even if you succeed in forcing them out of the industry that doesn't actually go anywhere to fixing entrenched social issues, discrimination, or changing minds.
Plus, it goes both ways. People can also take up a personal vendetta and interfere with your life because they disagree with your opinions and think they're immoral and harmful by being 'progressive'. This has happened and people have gotten fired thanks to hateful mobs who aren't happy with their liberal attitudes.
joecanada
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Nope. The ones pushing it were the ones defending him saying "oh he only said that one little thing ? 343 fucked up."
Now the uncomfortable truth comes out and all of a sudden it's " hey , hey why the witchunt we get it "
Which as already pointed out is not a witch Hunt at all.
Well then I always misinterpreted the word. Then I'll change it to "piling on to him"
I thought it could be used for clear guilty persons aswell.
Good post.
The Living Tribunal
Member
Really?
Because it sure as hell sounds to me like you are defending this piece of shit.
Dyson Industries
Banned
Like who?
Tell you what, we'll ignore your 'advice' and continue to give these people the exposure they so greatly deserve. A few heads on pikes goes a long way to enforcing correct social norms - this sheetcake nonsense you're advocating means nothing in the real world.
crap attracts more crap, I supposeI don't understand why anyone would go out of their way to defend an openly homophobic and transphobic piece of shit .
Like why?someone help me.
Twilight Princess
Member
I dont understand why anyone would go out of their way to defend an openly homophobic and transphobic piece of shit .
Like why? someone help me.
Like why?
someone help me.Massive Duck. C.M.
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Of course a google search will turn up examples to support improper use because people use it incorrectly all the time-_-
And Im not saying 343 will or should do anything else
LOL.
I've heard this exact same argument when that Nazi dude got knocked the fuck out.
Please give us a better solution then.
Yes I absolutely was. I didn't know all about him. And thought his criticism for 343 was the only stuff and not as harsh as it was. At that point I knew only what was in the OP. There was no infos about his bigotry, bigger personal attacks etc.
And now I made today completely clear that I said he should never have gotten the job? So what? I said he is an idiot and an asshole. He got his penalty and will never get a job in the industry again.
Head.spawn
Junior Member
I'm curious as to how someone manages to sell a house in a matter of days, that's pretty impressive tbh.
It's a shame this didn't work out for him because it does seem like he has some top notch work and being able to put a AAA team behind it would've been all the better. It's hard to pass those posts up though.
Maybe it was made worse because it was highlighted after the fact. Probably should've scrubbed the moment he knew he was hired.
No, I don't buy any of that 'not the right method' take on bigotry in our gaming industry. Singling out and chasing off people who hold bigotry close to them is one of the most important methods for not making them feel welcome in society, as it should be.
Also, don't both sides this thing either. Gamergate singling out women or liberals to drive them out based on hate is evil, singling out bigots based on their hate and driving them out is good.
Because hatred wins sometimes doesn't mean we give up the fight.
Oh he'll most definitely get hired. I think he was just recently bragging about gettin a couple of job offers already.
Adria Richards was fired from her company after her complaint about an allegedly sexist joke got another dev fired, and then a hateful mob descended upon her, DDoSing her employer's website until they fired her.
That's the one I was thinking of at the moment. And seriously, "a few heads on pikes"? Yeeeesh. I don't want any part of that.
aftercompletion
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So don't out racists/homophobes/transphobes because they'll summon a horde of other shitheels to harass you or your company. Interesting take.
SomedayTheFire
Member
Dudes a homophobe and trtransparent, wow! Shocking.
That's not at all the point I was making. Don't live up to the Junior stereotype please.
aftercompletion
Banned
Please reiterate what "point you were making"
Also, care to inform me of the "Junior stereotype?"
CheesecakeRecipe
Stormy Grey
The 'Junior Stereotype' being the one where the racist, homophobic, transphobic dickbags come out to defend or deflect shitty people and policies on burner accounts they made? The complete opposite of what this Junior appears to be doing??
I see no one defending him after those infos came out?
I want to make this again very clear:
Yesterday I thought his trashing of 343 in general (he named no names and just talked bad about the company itself) and of talking bad about the CC system was all he did. And others who did that are now working in similiar jobs. (Which I get also is controversial, but my personal dislike for 343 played a role into how I thought both are at fault)
it was already appearant that he is an asshole but he already said he is fine with not getting the job.
Over the hours more details surfaced, and I learned about the bigotry and other comments he made. As someone who is bi himself I am not even remotely defending him or accepting anything he made in those directions.
He shouldn't get the job ( he didn't) and he should not become a public figure. I was merely suggesting stopping into digging more and more into a past and using this thread to now hunt for more and more eventhough there nothing anymore to gain, he is no streamer that should have no influnece anymore, he didn't get the dev job and I think if 343 got those infos through a background check then other devs will aswell.
He is a human piece of garbage. He didn't get the job. But I'm scared this will go into doxxing territory.
the_darkness
Banned
Edit: ehh the point I was making isn't worth being conflated with the things this dude has said.
SomedayTheFire
Member
I was on the wrong page, read old posts. That's my bad. I'll edit.
Like, who said this? Also I hope you're not a homophobe or transphobe too.
Messofanego
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also hot off the reddit presses
I'm sure the trans employees at 343 really want someone that called them clinically insane a month ago working next to them.
This should be in the OP.
LucidMomentum
Member
I mean, if you're a homophobe or a transphobe or a generally racist person I wouldn't enjoy working with you.
Maybe, I dunnow, try not posting shitty things on forums? I understand it can be difficult.
It would be up to the employer not us and if the employer made that decision they would be well within their rights. I wouldn't hire you if you posted what this guy did.
Messofanego
Banned
If you're a bigot, I don't want to work with you.
autoduelist
Member
Is he ever allowed to work again? Serious question?
Given that I never know someone's family/financial situation, I think going out of one's way to get a stranger fired, no matter how much I might think they deserve it, is lowest of the low.
Even in cases where a clerk has been an absolute, complete, total jerk to me I consider the fact that they might just be having a bad day. Does that excuse their behavior? Hell no. But I'm not about to get someone fired. I don't need to feel that good about myself that someone else goes hungry.
I'm not defending their actions, or in this case, this person's actions.... but actively following someone around to keep them unemployed is... like, ethically gross to me.
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