19.How old is Ellie now, anyway?
Copypasta from reddit:Is Joel still in the game? I know that early footage often gets scrapped or reworked.
Huh. Odd addition.
- There is a jump button
Days Gone releases in February 2019, don't remember the exact date. No release date for this yet, my guess is mid-2019 at the earliest.Wait, is there a release date for this and Days Gone ? Same goes for Fallout 76' I looked to the very end of trailers but nada.
Days Gone releases in February 2019, don't remember the exact date. No release date for this yet, my guess is mid-2019 at the earliest.
Or maybe people like the game. Even if the demos were fake it doesn't mean that the game is bad.the funny thing is that many people don't want to admit the bullshit that was in TLOU 1 "Gameplay" trailers, just shows you how much loyal these fans are and how much Overrated the game was, i expect the same thing with the sequel
So they are now using motion capture for faces. Didn't they do all by hand before?Copypasta from reddit:
They use more advanced facial camera capture and mo-cap now, more advanced than they had with Uncharted 4.
Lots of new facial animation tech. More nuances of the face, creases, folds, build up of skin etc.
Eyeball tech also re-worked, now includes internal refractions, reflections and so on.
Doesn't all vilains think they are doing the right thing, from their perspective ?!I agree with that, in part, but from his perspective, he does the right thing.
Everybody loving this scene seems to be forgetting it takes two people to make a kiss. Dina, the center of the attention, was apparently dating Jesse (Ellie's friend) just two weeks before. And suddenly she kisses Ellie in front of everyone.I've never seen a more romantic scene in any medium than the one displayed in that trailer. Absolutely beautiful.
Up until the original TLoU there was no facial capture, everything was done by hand. Which, while being able to look great with enough talented people and time, obviously is a very laborious process. In UC4 Naughty Dog used facial capture for the first time, but still the results were finetuned by hand. By the sound of it, they've refined the process even more, but I reckon some manual work is still required, I don't think were still nowhere near of having perfect facial capture automatically (see: ME:A).So they are now using motion capture for faces. Didn't they do all by hand before?
Somewhere in Jackson.Where is Joel in this part?
Surprised people think it’s fake, did they not play the first game? Scripting/AI is always crazy in these games.
That’s certainly good press for ND though.
I thought the animation in The Lat of Us was great but the AI was average.
This one looks more organic. Doubt it’s fake, don’t know if it will play that “smooth” though.
There’s always some extra polish and scripting in E3 presentations.
Surprised people think it’s fake, did they not play the first game? Scripting/AI is always crazy in these games.
That’s certainly good press for ND though.
I didn’t need any convincing. I’m in, I’m all in.
You mean TLOU1 E3 case where they scripted whole demo like TLOU2 E3 "gameplay" and later on people proved that great part of that was fake ?
There is difference between adding something to not make demo boring and straight up lying about features you have in game. TLOU1 E3 demo led you to believe that enemies really had advanced AI and reacted dynamically to events, begging not to shot them when they are flat on ground, Ellie helping you out in tight moments and so on.
What you had in released game was same damn basic AI like in every other game.
Do i need to remind you people what was "most amazing about" TLOU1 E3 "gameplay ?. AI, how enemies reacted and how everything felt "real" as if you were fighting with real thinking people.
So far they commented they have improved AI system but seeying is believing. I am too old and i watched to many "gameplay" trailers to be fooled by pretty words. I don't have problem with saying "i was wrong" IF they actually have this amazing AI in game. But as far as my gaming experience goes NONE of games so far released in 20 years have AI at level of this demo AND previously there were caught faking their gameplay.
Some of the stuff was in but there was quite the difference between the E3 demo and the final game. That said there's a difference between something that's scripted with stuff that's not possible and something that's scripted so that the gameplay isn't boring.Begging
Can’t find the flanking gif, there was one where Joel was in a shootout and someone grabs him smashing his head onto the cover he’s hiding behind.
Ellie helped out all the time too. Nothing was ‘fake’. It was all in the final game.
Some of the stuff was in but there was quite the difference between the E3 demo and the final game. That said there's a difference between something that's scripted with stuff that's not possible and something that's scripted so that the gameplay isn't boring.
The LOU2 footage is scripted but I'm not seeing anything that looks crazy impossible in terms of gameplay. It's scripted to show off a coherent experience.
i 100% agree with every word you saidYou mean TLOU1 E3 case where they scripted whole demo like TLOU2 E3 "gameplay" and later on people proved that great part of that was fake ?
There is difference between adding something to not make demo boring and straight up lying about features you have in game. TLOU1 E3 demo led you to believe that enemies really had advanced AI and reacted dynamically to events, begging not to shot them when they are flat on ground, Ellie helping you out in tight moments and so on.
What you had in released game was same damn basic AI like in every other game.
Do i need to remind you people what was "most amazing about" TLOU1 E3 "gameplay ?. AI, how enemies reacted and how everything felt "real" as if you were fighting with real thinking people.
So far they commented they have improved AI system but seeying is believing. I am too old and i watched to many "gameplay" trailers to be fooled by pretty words. I don't have problem with saying "i was wrong" IF they actually have this amazing AI in game. But as far as my gaming experience goes NONE of games so far released in 20 years have AI at level of this demo AND previously there were caught faking their gameplay.
Everybody loving this scene seems to be forgetting it takes two people to make a kiss. Dina, the center of the attention, was apparently dating Jesse (Ellie's friend) just two weeks before. And suddenly she kisses Ellie in front of everyone. I'm sorry to say that but this is poorly written teenage romance. I do hope the whole story is not Ellie going full revenge because her teenage crush was murdered.
I'm really having a hard time finding out where you see hate in my post ?! I'm analyzing the narrative of the scene, no more. So where do you see hate ?YOUR HATE HAS NO POWER HERE!!!!!!!!!!
I'm really having a hard time finding out where you see hate in my post ?! I'm analyzing the narrative of the scene, no more. So where do you see hate ?
(On a side note, I'm French, so my choice of words may be a little off, but I hope you see my point)
but I'm not seeing anything that looks crazy impossible in terms of gameplay. It's scripted to show off a coherent experience.
You mean you can't see AI don't make any single mistake, perfectly following ellie after she attemps to escape being just meters behind her instead of chosing to hide behind cover which by itself is very random thing to do (ellie escape not them going behind cover). Then upon reaching ellie place perfectly coordinating with eatch other and so on ?
I have been gaming for 20 years. Such AI doesn't exist yet to make such rational choices in time of so many possibilities AND your own actions that give you shitload of possibilities. And we are not talking here about some stupid game AI. We are talking here about complex behavior that can properly reason and formulate battle plan based on scant clues. Such AI doesn't even exist in research institutes as well.
So this lead us to two scenarios:
- Either they basically run this scenario few milion times and they got one good looking scenario where their AI which probably is standard AI somehow by chance made itself look good and they used it as footage
- OR entire thing after enemy finding out Ellie after she saw dudes butchering other guy is COMPLETELY scripted which means it isn't any different than cinematic just without cinematic camera.
AND like i said before they were caught on their bullshit.
I don't question their abilities to make scripted scenes, nor great melee combat, great gunplay and so many other things because those things exist in realm of possibility. AI they shown doesn't, which means whole thing is entirely scripted. If they did actually have such amazing AI then hats off to them. Problem here is that they were caught lying already with TLOU1 and i will be extra critical of their "gameplay" trailers when i see them.
For example i had nothing on their U4 gameplay trailers, they were heavily scripted but at least those were scripts meant as part of gameplay rather than faking player gameplay that will never happen.
TLOU1 despite bullshit was good game and i have no doubt TLOU2 also will be but that doesn't mean i should just see bullshit and don't say anything. Maybe they actually do indeed have amazing AI system that is leaps and bounds better than anything else in last 20 years of gaming but with TLOU1 fiasco they don't have creditibility to trust them at face value.
What is more important this issue isn't anything new. We had such discussion like 5-7 years ago in broader subject and i think it was right after TLOU1 fiasco which was then coupled with some other game (i think Assasin Creed scripted demo) and generally speaking shitload of people and journos wrote extensively that shitload of devs simply lie.
Answer to that next year was way more actual on stage gameplay demos which was possitively received by both people and press and became defacto standard from then on. Because on stage demo with real person proves what you see at least is possible.
You mean you can't see AI don't make any single mistake, perfectly following ellie after she attemps to escape being just meters behind her instead of chosing to hide behind cover which by itself is very random thing to do (ellie escape not them going behind cover). Then upon reaching ellie place perfectly coordinating with eatch other and so on ?
I have been gaming for 20 years. Such AI doesn't exist yet to make such rational choices in time of so many possibilities AND your own actions that give you shitload of possibilities. And we are not talking here about some stupid game AI. We are talking here about complex behavior that can properly reason and formulate battle plan based on scant clues. Such AI doesn't even exist in research institutes as well.
So this lead us to two scenarios:
- Either they basically run this scenario few milion times and they got one good looking scenario where their AI which probably is standard AI somehow by chance made itself look good and they used it as footage
- OR entire thing after enemy finding out Ellie after she saw dudes butchering other guy is COMPLETELY scripted which means it isn't any different than cinematic just without cinematic camera.
AND like i said before they were caught on their bullshit.
I don't question their abilities to make scripted scenes, nor great melee combat, great gunplay and so many other things because those things exist in realm of possibility. AI they shown doesn't, which means whole thing is entirely scripted. If they did actually have such amazing AI then hats off to them. Problem here is that they were caught lying already with TLOU1 and i will be extra critical of their "gameplay" trailers when i see them.
For example i had nothing on their U4 gameplay trailers, they were heavily scripted but at least those were scripts meant as part of gameplay rather than faking player gameplay that will never happen.
TLOU1 despite bullshit was good game and i have no doubt TLOU2 also will be but that doesn't mean i should just see bullshit and don't say anything. Maybe they actually do indeed have amazing AI system that is leaps and bounds better than anything else in last 20 years of gaming but with TLOU1 fiasco they don't have creditibility to trust them at face value.
What is more important this issue isn't anything new. We had such discussion like 5-7 years ago in broader subject and i think it was right after TLOU1 fiasco which was then coupled with some other game (i think Assasin Creed scripted demo) and generally speaking shitload of people and journos wrote extensively that shitload of devs simply lie.
Answer to that next year was way more actual on stage gameplay demos which was possitively received by both people and press and became defacto standard from then on. Because on stage demo with real person proves what you see at least is possible.
People comparing this to the TLOU E3 situation: Naughty dog talked in length about cut content from TLOU. They, for one, had more advanced AI and even infected AI in the MP portion but had to cut it cause it wouldn‘t run on the console.
I din‘t think they have the same issue on the PS4 Pro nowadays. Or at least make the same mistakes.
My fault for mentioning Pro, it will of course run the same on the vanilla one (minus a few graphical things). It was more or less aimed at saying „look at the power we have at our disposal now“. AI is CPU bound anyways and the Pro barely got anything on the vanilla in that regard, still a tablet CPU.Do you own a Pro? Cause, I sure don't. I'm fine with graphics being superior on Pro, but the AI, I consider a core part of the gameplay.
If it's better on Pro, then I'm going to be concerned. I don't mind a downgrade in resolution, but I want that same AI I saw in the trailers, otehrwise what's the point? I guess I could hang onto the game for when PS5 comes out, but, damn. We didn't have this concern with PS3. Granted, PS3 didn't have a Pro, but that's just what I mean.
To be honest, I never gave a shit about the Pro advantages till now. I want that AI!
My fault for mentioning Pro, it will of course run the same on the vanilla one (minus a few graphical things). It was more or less aimed at saying „look at the power we have at our disposal now“. AI is CPU bound anyways and the Pro barely got anything on the vanilla in that regard, still a tablet CPU.
You should definitely get out more. Travel a bit.Girls kissing is taboo, except on certain parts of the internet.
ehh your ign link gets me to some weird language and the disqus comment is...creepy afSo I just saw this:
http://me.ign.com/en/ps4/149239/news/naughty-dog-ellie-is-the-only-playable-character-in-the-last
Discuss.
There is also this:
http://www.ign.com/articles/2018/06/13/e3-2018-the-last-of-us-part-2-is-all-about-honoring-ellie
I think Joel is going to be killed and Ellie is going to go ape shit because of it, OR Joel will become an antagonist.
I forgot to include the /s, but I assumed it was pretty clear.You should definitely get out more. Travel a bit.
ehh your ign link gets me to some weird language and the disqus comment is...creepy af
TIL ign middle east existsIGN Middle East.
I forgot to include the /s, but I assumed it was pretty clear.
Guess not.
So I just saw this:
http://me.ign.com/en/ps4/149239/news/naughty-dog-ellie-is-the-only-playable-character-in-the-last
Discuss.
There is also this:
http://www.ign.com/articles/2018/06/13/e3-2018-the-last-of-us-part-2-is-all-about-honoring-ellie
I think Joel is going to be killed and Ellie is going to go ape shit because of it, OR Joel will become an antagonist.