Um, I didn't say anything about depicting sexual intercourse with little girls bud. I just mean loli's, game journalists crap on them for showing a bit of skin (to be fair stuff like disgaea goes too far with it) but somehow stuff like this gets a pass.Because one is sex among teenagers, while the other one is sex with little girls. If you don't see the difference, you might need help.
This whole post is really weird because on one hand you're acknowledging he's being facetious yet on the other, you're still responding to him seriously. Why is it so surprising to see someone anti-censorship feigning outrage? Shouldn't it be surprising if he was legitimately outraged? Why rhetorically ask him if he's imposing values when you know he's falseflagging?Wait, aren't you the guy who made this very successful anti-censorship topic? You mounted a vocal defense of fanservice in that topic, so consider me surprised seeing you feign outrage about a nipple-flash in a video game.
First of all, it is not uncommon for teenagers to have sex. It's really not surprising to see a game, that is aimed at this particular demographic, tap into these experiences and portray these situations in a tactful manner. Yes, intercourse is implied, but it is not explicitly shown, so I really don't see the problem here.
Secondly, you're always complaining that american game journalism is imposing its cultural values on Japanese developers. Then why are you unable to acknowledge that this game was developed in France? As you should be aware, we Europeans are rather open-minded about nudity. It's not uncommon to see women of all ages walk around topless on our beaches for example. So excuse me for being a little bit incredulous when you're complaining about the depiction of a frikkin' nipple. Or are you, perhaps, imposing your own cultural values upon a European developer?
Aren't teenagers allowed to enjoy a creative product that is relevant to their own experiences? Such things have been depicted in movies for a long time now (American Pie, Kids, Wetlands, The Diary of a Teenage Girl). Even a lot of classical literature is about such themes (Homo Faber, Lolita, The Reader). I really don't see why a video game isn't allowed to do the same. Your whole hyperbolic accusations of pedophilia are quite frankly ridiculous and certainly does not help your case. If you want to enjoy your 300 year old Japanese dragon lolis, that's fine, whatever floats your boat, man. But don't be turning into Tipper Gore the moment you see an innocuous nipple!
If you want to expose the double standard in western games journalism, that's fine too. But the way how this topic and this discussion are framed is certainly the wrong way to go about things. Feigning moral outrage about the depiction of romantic teenage relations is just as culturally bone-headed and creatively small-minded as american game journalists drumming up outrage about sexy Japanese games.
I wouldn't go near a real life child even if they looked up at me and called me "nee-chan".Because one is sex among teenagers, while the other one is sex with little girls. If you don't see the difference, you might need help.
When Japan does it, it’s usually as a masturbatory aid for 20- or 30-something otaku herbivores.dude its like soo cool and progressive though. they even do the weed LOL.
when japan does it its so disgusting and pedo though.
Stay away from Korea then, because being older than a girl - even a 45year old woman - and having them call you “oppa” is considered super sexy. These words literally translate to “big brother”, but mean different things in the context of their culture.I wouldn't go near a real life child even if they looked up at me and called me "nee-chan".
Don't misinterpret 14 as a free pass for sex with minors. I live in Portugal and the age of consent is 14 here, but for practical purposes it is considered to be 16 by everyone. It's basically only accepted 14 for cases of minor with minor and even those often don't get away with it.Bruh.
Denmark 15.
Finland 16.
Iceland 15.
Norway 16.
Sweden 15.
And that's only the Nordic countries.
It's actually harder to find a country where the age of consent is 17 or over in Europe than it is to find a country where it is 16, 15 or hell even 14.
Based on who praises Life Is Strange, this is a masturbatory aid for Millennial social justice warriors - which is more pathetic.When Japan does it, it’s usually as a masturbatory aid for 20- or 30-something otaku herbivores.
I'm absolutely going that route and people talking about age of consent in this thread are meandering idiocy. Age of consent has nothing to do with the transmission or depiction of underage sexually explicit imagery. A girl can be legal to have sex with at 16 due to consent laws in the US but any nude photography of her especially sexual in nature before the age of 18 constitutes child pornography.oh great you're going down that route then are you? if you argue against it you're just gonna label them a pedo?
fuck this thread i'm out.
Don't misinterpret 14 as a free pass for sex with minors. I live in Portugal and the age of consent is 14 here, but for practical purposes it is considered to be 16 by everyone. It's basically only accepted 14 for cases of minor with minor and even those often don't get away with it.
I'm absolutely going that route and people talking about age of consent in this thread are meandering idiocy. Age of consent has nothing to do with the transmission or depiction of underage sexually explicit imagery. A girl can be legal to have sex with at 16 due to consent laws in the US but any nude photography of her especially sexual in nature before the age of 18 constitutes child pornography.
That scene in Life is Strange 2 is sexually charged and it shows the girl topless, it shows her tits in full view. It's depicting minors engaging in a sexually explicit act and there's nudity.
Please again tell me what there is to defend here?
Not true. Google Brooke Shields’ career, or Thora Birch in American Beauty.If it happened in a film though, they wouldn't be able to show an underage actress' breasts.
So, it isn’t about minors in a sexual context at all? It’s about impotent pearl clutching?I think the main thing to ask is whether it's tasteful, and I think it is here. That's a major difference whether people want to accept it or not.
there isn't any. it's implied they have sex and it's therefore not shown on screen.Anyone show me where this hot fucking scene is that's got the puritan squad so excited. I fast forwarded through the thing but I couldn't find any sex.
Did it have to show her boobs? No, absolutely not. It was intentional, it was a sexual act with minors and they wanted the girls tits in full view.It's a difficult one. The coming-of-age themes obviously dictate why they felt it was an appropriate scene and I've personally been in that type of situation so it's realistic to me. But at the same time it's a minor they're showing and that's obviously not okay. If it happened in a film though, they wouldn't be able to show an underage actress' breasts.
I'm personally not against it as long as it's tasteful. I also think it also relies on a mature audience. Most of the Japanese games people in here defend aren't mature by contrast.
Why do you care what some stranger calls you on the internet?oh great you're going down that route then are you? if you argue against it you're just gonna label them a pedo?
fuck this thread i'm out.
mostly i don't care and will brush it off but to be called a pedophile? c'mon...that's totally different from someone calling me an idiot or something else. i think you'll find that most people would get angry or offended even if it's "on the internet" which doesn't make it ok especially because someone has a different opinion to you. that word can ruin people's lives and should not be branded about so easily.Why do you care what some stranger calls you on the internet?
The problem is that Sony is using the minors in sexual situations claim to censor Asian games that don;t even feature minors, yet has no problem releasing a game with explicit sexualization of minors. The hypocrisy is the problem.Not really seeing the problem here. Some films straight up show sex but no genitalia. (well...one did from recent memory)
Age of Consent is almost always about adults having sex with minors, and doesn’t usually apply to minors having sex with minors over the age of 13. These days there is usually a two year exception. So a 14 year old can bang a 12 year old, even if the age of consent is 16.As for the AoC. It's a Government rule but most teens tend to break it anyway.
Good fucking god, now people are arguing that teenagers should even have sex?To be honest, some people shouldn't have sex until their 20s as most aren't capable of knowing the implications of Sex with an immature mind.
your reply is only further strengthening their argument you knowThe problem is that Sony is using the minors in sexual situations claim to censor Asian games that don;t even feature minors, yet has no problem releasing a game with explicit sexualization of minors. The hypocrisy is the problem.
Age of Consent is almost always about adults having sex with minors, and doesn’t usually apply to minors having sex with minors over the age of 13. These days there is usually a two year exception. So a 14 year old can bang a 12 year old, even if the age of consent is 16.
Good fucking god, now people are arguing that teenagers should even have sex?
The problem is that Sony is using the minors in sexual situations claim to censor Asian games that don;t even feature minors, yet has no problem releasing a game with explicit sexualization of minors. The hypocrisy is the problem.
And Dead or Alive is published by Koei Tecmo, and Senran Kagura is Marvellous, and Omega Labyrinth is Idea Factory. Sony;s censorship is platform-wide.I thought Life is Strange was Published by Square Enix though?
The Japanese are fine with Dead or Alive Xtreme 3 (as seen by it being less censored on the Switch), yet Sony America still censored it on the PS4.I can understand if Sony America is wishy washy in this scenario, but maybe Sony Europe was okay with it because the French are more open to it.
Do you think that people were going to fap to Omega Labyrinth?I don't think people will fap to this as it doesn't feel like a porno with teenagers.
That’s not strictly true, but I’m not sure that has anything to do with this. Age of consent has nothing to do with the depiction of fictional characters in a video game.Wait.....the AoC applies to EVERYBODY! Not just Adults. Teenagers can get into trouble if they break the laws as well.
I want teenage sex in my games. Or rather, I want the creators to have the artistic freedom to create whatever games they want in whatever subject matter they want. As the consumer, I always have the choice to not consume it. But I want that to be my choice. I don;t want someone else making it for me - because they tend to have an extremely unhealthy outlook on life.your reply is only further strengthening their argument you know
And Dead or Alive is published by Koei Tecmo, and Senran Kagura is Marvellous, and Omega Labyrinth is Idea Factory. Sony;s censorship is platform-wide.
The Japanese are fine with Dead or Alive Xtreme 3 (as seen by it being less censored on the Switch), yet Sony America still censored it on the PS4.
Do you think that people were going to fap to Omega Labyrinth?
That’s not strictly true, but I’m not sure that has anything to do with this. Age of consent has nothing to do with the depiction of fictional characters in a video game.
People who wrestle with important topics like sexuality through videogames will grow into adults who act like they wrestled with important topics through videogames.
This whole post is really weird because on one hand you're acknowledging he's being facetious yet on the other, you're still responding to him seriously. Why is it so surprising to see someone anti-censorship feigning outrage? Shouldn't it be surprising if he was legitimately outraged? Why rhetorically ask him if he's imposing values when you know he's falseflagging?
RE: France. You're right that Yuros are pretty open-minded towards nudity, etc and if it were any other dev from any other European country it'd be a good argument but
1) France is European weeaboo central. See: Manfra
2) LiS reeks of anime influence (Max is a weeb)
3) Square Enix
It's programming, Hollywood has been trying to normalize pedophilia in entertainment for decades and they've hit some speed bumps. [...] It's trying to be hammered through again...
It was just for people not to think that every country where the age is 14 is pedophile paradise! The other EU countries where the age is 14 have similar interpretation systems.I was just replying to the guy who said he hasn't seen any European country where the age of consent is 16 and claimed in most countries it's 17 or 18. Going down the age of consent list shows that there are more countries in Europe where it is 14 than where it is 17 (Portugal isn't the only country where it is 14). That's all.
oh great you're going down that route then are you? if you argue against it you're just gonna label them a pedo?
fuck this thread i'm out.
OP shouldn't be advocating artistic and creative freedom, when he's triggered by a hint of boobies and the non-explicit depiction of teenage romance. He literally tried to compare the depiction of teenage romance in a fictional setting to pedophilia, implying that such content is a taboo for the artistic and creative freedom of expression. He complains that others are trying to take away his fanservice, but is calling for censorship of artistic content that he doesn't approve of. That's not falseflagging, it's merely being hypocritical.
OP shouldn't be advocating artistic and creative freedom, when he's triggered by a hint of boobies and the non-explicit depiction of teenage romance. He literally tried to compare the depiction of teenage romance in a fictional setting to pedophilia, implying that such content is a taboo for the artistic and creative freedom of expression. He complains that others are trying to take away his fanservice, but is calling for censorship of artistic content that he doesn't approve of. That's not falseflagging, it's merely being hypocritical.
I'm sure there's something resembling an argument in there, but for my dear life, I can't find it. France is one of the most liberal countries when it comes to sex and nudity. Ever heard about Alizee?
By using the Metro article posted in the OP in order to drum up outrage, he is quite evidently imposing his Americanized views on sexuality upon a European developer. It's not any different than the prudish being outraged about fanservice and Japanese erotica. If OP wants to emphasize the hypocrisy of western games journalism, he shouldn't be a hypocrite himself.
Teenage sexuality is a thing you know, there's no reason why it can't be artistically portrayed in a fictional manner. That scene is clearly not intended to be titillating, but a realistic depiction of teenage romance. Comparing this to "brainwashing" people into normalizing pedophilia is some Alex Jones levels of tinfoil-hat projection.
As I've already shown, such themes have existed in classical literature long before Hollywood was even a thing. Your prudish outrage is just the other side of the coin, between the far-left social justice militants and the religious conservatives of the right.
People like you are the reason why women in western games all look like 35 year old lesbians now.
The current market trend dictates that all women in video games will look like this by the year 2021.*Prove to me that's underage. Oh wait you can't because it's just a made up character. People like you are the reason why women in western games all look like 35 year old lesbians now. Oh and congrats on posting pics of a game where the characters are wearing bikinis in high school. I thought we were talking about sex and not underage people wearing swimsuits at the beach like you know normal people.
Europe? Strange that you would use that a catch-all term really. Most countries in Europe age of consent it’s 17-18, Spain was 12 at one point, but that’s been increased. Nowhere have I seen it’s 16.
you do know it is legal for 16 years to have sex here, right? in some other european countries it is 15.
also, they aren't showing straight up nudity or sex scenes.
Ok, wrong again. I’ll take your word for it. I’ve no problem admitting I’m wrong on the matter. Although in my opinion, that’s too young. But that’s another completely different discussion.Bruh.
Denmark 15.
Finland 16.
Iceland 15.
Norway 16.
Sweden 15.
And that's only the Nordic countries.
It's actually harder to find a country where the age of consent is 17 or over in Europe than it is to find a country where it is 16, 15 or hell even 14.
Did it have to show her boobs? No, absolutely not. It was intentional, it was a sexual act with minors and they wanted the girls tits in full view.
This is what these people want, to get you gradually comfortable with teen nudity in games flashing tits here and there. Then later there will be a scene in a game where it shows a nude teen top to bottom passing by the camera, then you'll get a scene in a movie with a teen girl wearing a shirt where her nipples are clearly visible through semi-translucent fabric, then you'll get a scene in a movie like in this game where it shows a teen girls breasts, and so on and so forth...
It's programming, Hollywood has been trying to normalize pedophilia in entertainment for decades and they've hit some speed bumps. They were pushing it hard in the early to mid 90's, do you remember "My Father The Hero" where they had 16 year old Katherine Heigl in a thong one piece?
It's trying to be hammered through again...
You know, I’m gonna check out from this topic. But I recall some laws in place that sex between two 16 y/o is ok, but a 16 year old plus a person of 18+ is not allowed. Maybe I’m wrong on this too. Not trying to spread mis-information. It’s actually an area of the law that doesn’t affect me at all and I don’t have any kids...so it's OK to be showing off under 18s in bikinis and having male characters stare at their boobs? tell me how that ain't sexualising them.... and yes i know that asian woman look young but again these characters range between 15 and 18 years old. it's disgusting.
UK. legal age is 16.
if you want to educate yourself have a read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe
Wait, aren't you the guy who made this very successful anti-censorship topic? You mounted a vocal defense of fanservice in that topic, so consider me surprised seeing you feign outrage about a nipple-flash in a video game.
First of all, it is not uncommon for teenagers to have sex. It's really not surprising to see a game, that is aimed at this particular demographic, tap into these experiences and portray these situations in a tactful manner. Yes, intercourse is implied, but it is not explicitly shown, so I really don't see the problem here.
Secondly, you're always complaining that american game journalism is imposing its cultural values on Japanese developers. Then why are you unable to acknowledge that this game was developed in France? As you should be aware, we Europeans are rather open-minded about nudity. It's not uncommon to see women of all ages walk around topless on our beaches for example. So excuse me for being a little bit incredulous when you're complaining about the depiction of a frikkin' nipple. Or are you, perhaps, imposing your own cultural values upon a European developer?
Aren't teenagers allowed to enjoy a creative product that is relevant to their own experiences? Such things have been depicted in movies for a long time now (American Pie, Kids, Wetlands, The Diary of a Teenage Girl). Even a lot of classical literature is about such themes (Homo Faber, Lolita, The Reader). I really don't see why a video game isn't allowed to do the same. Your whole hyperbolic accusations of pedophilia are quite frankly ridiculous and certainly does not help your case. If you want to enjoy your 300 year old Japanese dragon lolis, that's fine, whatever floats your boat, man. But don't be turning into Tipper Gore the moment you see an innocuous nipple!
If you want to expose the double standard in western games journalism, that's fine too. But the way how this topic and this discussion are framed is certainly the wrong way to go about things. Feigning moral outrage about the depiction of romantic teenage relations is just as culturally bone-headed and creatively small-minded as american game journalists drumming up outrage about sexy Japanese games.
OP shouldn't be advocating artistic and creative freedom, when he's triggered by a hint of boobies and the non-explicit depiction of teenage romance. He literally tried to compare the depiction of teenage romance in a fictional setting to pedophilia, implying that such content is a taboo for the artistic and creative freedom of expression. He complains that others are trying to take away his fanservice, but is calling for censorship of artistic content that he doesn't approve of. That's not falseflagging, it's merely being hypocritical.
Pure entitlement and gatekeeping post.Can anybody name a Japanese game that deals with sexual content as sincerely as Life if Strange 2 does and includes nudity/sexual content and was attacked by more than five critics?
Pure entitlement and gatekeeping post.
What does your sense of preferences and judgments dictates what other people enjoy and being passionate about? How do you know someone liking lolis or just properly enjoying said games maybe for it's mechanics and gameplay? I'd say seeing a serious sexual teen drama like in LiS2 itself is more than distateful, and nothing could make me want to play it, well plus my dislike with walking simulator-esque games. I'm confident though, at least I'm not gonna tell people what to watch, what to like whatsoever. Ew.
Says the guy with an 11 year old anime girl as his avatar. Bitch please.A few things:
Listen, I get it. You are jealous that you didn't get to experience any sexual escapades as a Teenager, but that is no reason to try and pretend ignorance on the subject.
- Hollywood isn't normalizing pedophilia in entertainment.
- Teenagers have sex *all the bloody time*.
- Teenagers experiment with sexual clothing when possible.