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[Wonko_C]

Even when it's not lolis and they look like fully developed super models people will always complain because it's cartoons, and cartoons are still seen as stuff for kids.

 

[Shaqazooloo]

Because one is sex among teenagers, while the other one is sex with little girls. If you don't see the difference, you might need help.

Um, I didn't say anything about depicting sexual intercourse with little girls bud. I just mean loli's, game journalists crap on them for showing a bit of skin (to be fair stuff like disgaea goes too far with it) but somehow stuff like this gets a pass.

 

[kiiltz]

Wait, aren't you the guy who made this very successful anti-censorship topic? You mounted a vocal defense of fanservice in that topic, so consider me surprised seeing you feign outrage about a nipple-flash in a video game.

First of all, it is not uncommon for teenagers to have sex. It's really not surprising to see a game, that is aimed at this particular demographic, tap into these experiences and portray these situations in a tactful manner. Yes, intercourse is implied, but it is not explicitly shown, so I really don't see the problem here.

Secondly, you're always complaining that american game journalism is imposing its cultural values on Japanese developers. Then why are you unable to acknowledge that this game was developed in France? As you should be aware, we Europeans are rather open-minded about nudity. It's not uncommon to see women of all ages walk around topless on our beaches for example. So excuse me for being a little bit incredulous when you're complaining about the depiction of a frikkin' nipple. Or are you, perhaps, imposing your own cultural values upon a European developer?

Aren't teenagers allowed to enjoy a creative product that is relevant to their own experiences? Such things have been depicted in movies for a long time now (American Pie, Kids, Wetlands, The Diary of a Teenage Girl). Even a lot of classical literature is about such themes (Homo Faber, Lolita, The Reader). I really don't see why a video game isn't allowed to do the same. Your whole hyperbolic accusations of pedophilia are quite frankly ridiculous and certainly does not help your case. If you want to enjoy your 300 year old Japanese dragon lolis, that's fine, whatever floats your boat, man. But don't be turning into Tipper Gore the moment you see an innocuous nipple!

If you want to expose the double standard in western games journalism, that's fine too. But the way how this topic and this discussion are framed is certainly the wrong way to go about things. Feigning moral outrage about the depiction of romantic teenage relations is just as culturally bone-headed and creatively small-minded as american game journalists drumming up outrage about sexy Japanese games.

This whole post is really weird because on one hand you're acknowledging he's being facetious yet on the other, you're still responding to him seriously. Why is it so surprising to see someone anti-censorship feigning outrage? Shouldn't it be surprising if he was legitimately outraged? Why rhetorically ask him if he's imposing values when you know he's falseflagging?

RE: France. You're right that Yuros are pretty open-minded towards nudity, etc and if it were any other dev from any other European country it'd be a good argument but
1) France is European weeaboo central. See: Manfra
2) LiS reeks of anime influence (Max is a weeb)
3) Square Enix

 

[Sqorin Hammerfarf]

I’ve been called a pedophile, on this very board, for liking Soulcalibur , because Talim was apparently created by pedophiles, for pedophiles. And I had some nasty things said about me when defending teenage sexuality in games. There’s a couple possibilities here:

1) There is a different standard between Western and Eastern games, which is racist and fuck you.
2) There is the same standards, which mean people who like this game should also be called pedophiles. It ain’t right, but at least you aren’t full of shit.
3) The hypocrisy is explicit and undeniable, so we need to loosen our censorship on anime titties and give me uncensored Senran Kagura and Dead or Alive.
4) Everybody just needs to stop trying to tell other people what to believe, what to like, and how to live their life. Oh wait, this is just #3.

 

[kiiltz]

Because one is sex among teenagers, while the other one is sex with little girls. If you don't see the difference, you might need help.

I wouldn't go near a real life child even if they looked up at me and called me "nee-chan".

 

[ROMhack]

It's worth considering that Japan has always had very different standards to the West. If you take a look at artwork by their most famous artist Hokusai, a lot of it features sexually explicit imagery. That was very ordinary as art was supposed to have a purpose in everyday life; a concept that originated from Buddhist belief. Japanese cinema in the 1970s and 80s was practically held together by 'pinku films' - sexually exploitative movies. Nagisa Oshima released In the Realm of Senses in 1976 and that was shocking for western audiences as it featured instances of real sex between the actors, including a scene where an egg is inserted for sexual pleasure.

Personally I don't feel critics hate the Japanese audience's mentality but I do think they hate it impacting the West, especially in the US where Christianity has impacted attitudes towards sex and nudity, although obviously not violence. Personally I cringe at the way most games handle sexy and cannot for the life of me agree with sexual imagery of pre-pubescent children seen in the likes of Panty Chan Neko Quest IV but if it's tasteful and purposeful as it is in Life is Strange 2 then I see no issue.

 

[shark sandwich]

dude its like soo cool and progressive though. they even do the weed LOL.
when japan does it its so disgusting and pedo though.

When Japan does it, it’s usually as a masturbatory aid for 20- or 30-something otaku herbivores.

 

[Contica]

My take away is that op wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a nudist camp and an orgy.

 

[Sqorin Hammerfarf]

I wouldn't go near a real life child even if they looked up at me and called me "nee-chan".

Stay away from Korea then, because being older than a girl - even a 45year old woman - and having them call you “oppa” is considered super sexy. These words literally translate to “big brother”, but mean different things in the context of their culture.

 

[Ar¢tos]

Bruh.

Denmark 15.
Finland 16.
Iceland 15.
Norway 16.
Sweden 15.

And that's only the Nordic countries.
It's actually harder to find a country where the age of consent is 17 or over in Europe than it is to find a country where it is 16, 15 or hell even 14.

Don't misinterpret 14 as a free pass for sex with minors. I live in Portugal and the age of consent is 14 here, but for practical purposes it is considered to be 16 by everyone. It's basically only accepted 14 for cases of minor with minor and even those often don't get away with it.

 

[Sqorin Hammerfarf]

When Japan does it, it’s usually as a masturbatory aid for 20- or 30-something otaku herbivores.

Based on who praises Life Is Strange, this is a masturbatory aid for Millennial social justice warriors - which is more pathetic.

 

[DynamiteCop!]

oh great you're going down that route then are you? if you argue against it you're just gonna label them a pedo?

fuck this thread i'm out.

I'm absolutely going that route and people talking about age of consent in this thread are meandering idiocy. Age of consent has nothing to do with the transmission or depiction of underage sexually explicit imagery. A girl can be legal to have sex with at 16 due to consent laws in the US but any nude photography of her especially sexual in nature before the age of 18 constitutes child pornography.

That scene in Life is Strange 2 is sexually charged and it shows the girl topless, it shows her tits in full view. It's depicting minors engaging in a sexually explicit act and there's nudity.

Please again tell me what there is to defend here?

 

[Airola]

Don't misinterpret 14 as a free pass for sex with minors. I live in Portugal and the age of consent is 14 here, but for practical purposes it is considered to be 16 by everyone. It's basically only accepted 14 for cases of minor with minor and even those often don't get away with it.

I was just replying to the guy who said he hasn't seen any European country where the age of consent is 16 and claimed in most countries it's 17 or 18. Going down the age of consent list shows that there are more countries in Europe where it is 14 than where it is 17 (Portugal isn't the only country where it is 14). That's all.

 

[ROMhack]

I'm absolutely going that route and people talking about age of consent in this thread are meandering idiocy. Age of consent has nothing to do with the transmission or depiction of underage sexually explicit imagery. A girl can be legal to have sex with at 16 due to consent laws in the US but any nude photography of her especially sexual in nature before the age of 18 constitutes child pornography.

That scene in Life is Strange 2 is sexually charged and it shows the girl topless, it shows her tits in full view. It's depicting minors engaging in a sexually explicit act and there's nudity.

Please again tell me what there is to defend here?

It's a difficult one. The coming-of-age themes obviously dictate why they felt it was appropriate and I've personally been in that situation as a teen so it's realistic to me. But at the same time it's a minor they're showing and that's obviously iffy. If it happened in a film though, they wouldn't be able to show an underage actress' breasts.

I think the main thing to ask is whether it's tasteful, and I think it is here.

 

[Starlight Lotice]

All I saw was a Side Boob and a fade out to the "implication" of sex.

Not really seeing the problem here. Some films straight up show sex but no genitalia. (well...one did from recent memory)

As for the AoC. It's a Government rule but most teens tend to break it anyway.

To be honest, some people shouldn't have sex until their 20s as most aren't capable of knowing the implications of Sex with an immature mind.

Edit: I never get the "Tattooed Emo Girl" look.

 

[Sqorin Hammerfarf]

If it happened in a film though, they wouldn't be able to show an underage actress' breasts.

Not true. Google Brooke Shields’ career, or Thora Birch in American Beauty.

I think the main thing to ask is whether it's tasteful, and I think it is here. That's a major difference whether people want to accept it or not.

So, it isn’t about minors in a sexual context at all? It’s about impotent pearl clutching?

 

[kraspkibble]

Anyone show me where this hot fucking scene is that's got the puritan squad so excited. I fast forwarded through the thing but I couldn't find any sex.

there isn't any. it's implied they have sex and it's therefore not shown on screen.

from that video all we see is some side boob (no nipple), a bare ass, and exposed shoulders.

 

[DynamiteCop!]

It's a difficult one. The coming-of-age themes obviously dictate why they felt it was an appropriate scene and I've personally been in that type of situation so it's realistic to me. But at the same time it's a minor they're showing and that's obviously not okay. If it happened in a film though, they wouldn't be able to show an underage actress' breasts.

I'm personally not against it as long as it's tasteful. I also think it also relies on a mature audience. Most of the Japanese games people in here defend aren't mature by contrast.

Did it have to show her boobs? No, absolutely not. It was intentional, it was a sexual act with minors and they wanted the girls tits in full view.

This is what these people want, to get you gradually comfortable with teen nudity in games flashing tits here and there. Then later there will be a scene in a game where it shows a nude teen top to bottom passing by the camera, then you'll get a scene in a movie with a teen girl wearing a shirt where her nipples are clearly visible through semi-translucent fabric, then you'll get a scene in a movie like in this game where it shows a teen girls breasts, and so on and so forth...

It's programming, Hollywood has been trying to normalize pedophilia in entertainment for decades and they've hit some speed bumps. They were pushing it hard in the early to mid 90's, do you remember "My Father The Hero" where they had 16 year old Katherine Heigl in a thong one piece?

It's trying to be hammered through again...

 

[Ulysses 31]

oh great you're going down that route then are you? if you argue against it you're just gonna label them a pedo?

fuck this thread i'm out.

Why do you care what some stranger calls you on the internet?

 

[kraspkibble]

Why do you care what some stranger calls you on the internet?

mostly i don't care and will brush it off but to be called a pedophile? c'mon...that's totally different from someone calling me an idiot or something else. i think you'll find that most people would get angry or offended even if it's "on the internet" which doesn't make it ok especially because someone has a different opinion to you. that word can ruin people's lives and should not be branded about so easily.

 

[Sqorin Hammerfarf]

Not really seeing the problem here. Some films straight up show sex but no genitalia. (well...one did from recent memory)

The problem is that Sony is using the minors in sexual situations claim to censor Asian games that don;t even feature minors, yet has no problem releasing a game with explicit sexualization of minors. The hypocrisy is the problem.

As for the AoC. It's a Government rule but most teens tend to break it anyway.

Age of Consent is almost always about adults having sex with minors, and doesn’t usually apply to minors having sex with minors over the age of 13. These days there is usually a two year exception. So a 14 year old can bang a 12 year old, even if the age of consent is 16.

To be honest, some people shouldn't have sex until their 20s as most aren't capable of knowing the implications of Sex with an immature mind.

Good fucking god, now people are arguing that teenagers should even have sex?

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

People who wrestle with important topics like sexuality through videogames will grow into adults who act like they wrestled with important topics through videogames.

 

[kraspkibble]

The problem is that Sony is using the minors in sexual situations claim to censor Asian games that don;t even feature minors, yet has no problem releasing a game with explicit sexualization of minors. The hypocrisy is the problem.

Age of Consent is almost always about adults having sex with minors, and doesn’t usually apply to minors having sex with minors over the age of 13. These days there is usually a two year exception. So a 14 year old can bang a 12 year old, even if the age of consent is 16.


Good fucking god, now people are arguing that teenagers should even have sex?

your reply is only further strengthening their argument you know

 

[Starlight Lotice]

The problem is that Sony is using the minors in sexual situations claim to censor Asian games that don;t even feature minors, yet has no problem releasing a game with explicit sexualization of minors. The hypocrisy is the problem.

I thought Life is Strange was Published by Square Enix though?

I can understand if Sony America is wishy washy in this scenario, but maybe Sony Europe was okay with it because the French are more open to it.

I think because Life is Strange is about a coming of age story, it is showing what normal teenagers do in real life (you would be shocked at what goes on behind UK Schools...I lived through it), so it depends on what people think when they watch these scenes.

I don't think people will fap to this as it doesn't feel like a porno with teenagers.

Wait.....the AoC applies to EVERYBODY! Not just Adults. Teenagers can get into trouble if they break the laws as well.

 

[petran79]

I dont mind. Add also teens doing drugs, have sex without protection, contract AIDS, have same gender relations, become peeping toms, arguing with their family, become domestic and sexual abuse victims or whatever to promote mature stories.Just like on real cinema movies. You dont even need to hire child and teen actors. At least Japanese games are not afraid to go that way.

but those 3d character models are bad. Patreon ero games have much better quality

 

[Sqorin Hammerfarf]

I thought Life is Strange was Published by Square Enix though?

And Dead or Alive is published by Koei Tecmo, and Senran Kagura is Marvellous, and Omega Labyrinth is Idea Factory. Sony;s censorship is platform-wide.

I can understand if Sony America is wishy washy in this scenario, but maybe Sony Europe was okay with it because the French are more open to it.

The Japanese are fine with Dead or Alive Xtreme 3 (as seen by it being less censored on the Switch), yet Sony America still censored it on the PS4.

I don't think people will fap to this as it doesn't feel like a porno with teenagers.

Do you think that people were going to fap to Omega Labyrinth?

Wait.....the AoC applies to EVERYBODY! Not just Adults. Teenagers can get into trouble if they break the laws as well.

That’s not strictly true, but I’m not sure that has anything to do with this. Age of consent has nothing to do with the depiction of fictional characters in a video game.

 

[Sqorin Hammerfarf]

your reply is only further strengthening their argument you know

I want teenage sex in my games. Or rather, I want the creators to have the artistic freedom to create whatever games they want in whatever subject matter they want. As the consumer, I always have the choice to not consume it. But I want that to be my choice. I don;t want someone else making it for me - because they tend to have an extremely unhealthy outlook on life.

 

[Starlight Lotice]

And Dead or Alive is published by Koei Tecmo, and Senran Kagura is Marvellous, and Omega Labyrinth is Idea Factory. Sony;s censorship is platform-wide.

The Japanese are fine with Dead or Alive Xtreme 3 (as seen by it being less censored on the Switch), yet Sony America still censored it on the PS4.

Do you think that people were going to fap to Omega Labyrinth?


That’s not strictly true, but I’m not sure that has anything to do with this. Age of consent has nothing to do with the depiction of fictional characters in a video game.

Oh sorry, I was assuming you thought Life is Strange is a Sony game. It's also on PC as well.

Sony America's AoC is 18, so that is probably why.

I don't think so, since it got banned in the West, and even those who import will only leer at it.

We were talking about the AoC and you said it applies to Adults with Children when the Law is for everyone.

I think you may need to watch Angela's Ashes and Billy Elliot if Life is Strange offends you....as there is a peeping tom scene where the main character is 10 years old (and he peeps on his older sister) in Angela's Ashes. Billy Elliott has a scene that might make you think otherwise about this game as well.

 

[ROMhack]

People who wrestle with important topics like sexuality through videogames will grow into adults who act like they wrestled with important topics through videogames.

Agree. I stumbled into this thread out of pure curiosity and now regret it.

I'd sooner concentrate on finding a real life instance of third-person nudity.

 

[strange headache]

This whole post is really weird because on one hand you're acknowledging he's being facetious yet on the other, you're still responding to him seriously. Why is it so surprising to see someone anti-censorship feigning outrage? Shouldn't it be surprising if he was legitimately outraged? Why rhetorically ask him if he's imposing values when you know he's falseflagging?

OP shouldn't be advocating artistic and creative freedom, when he's triggered by a hint of boobies and the non-explicit depiction of teenage romance. He literally tried to compare the depiction of teenage romance in a fictional setting to pedophilia, implying that such content is a taboo for the artistic and creative freedom of expression. He complains that others are trying to take away his fanservice, but is calling for censorship of artistic content that he doesn't approve of. That's not falseflagging, it's merely being hypocritical.

RE: France. You're right that Yuros are pretty open-minded towards nudity, etc and if it were any other dev from any other European country it'd be a good argument but
1) France is European weeaboo central. See: Manfra
2) LiS reeks of anime influence (Max is a weeb)
3) Square Enix

I'm sure there's something resembling an argument in there, but for my dear life, I can't find it. France is one of the most liberal countries when it comes to sex and nudity. Ever heard about Alizee?

By using the Metro article posted in the OP in order to drum up outrage, he is quite evidently imposing his Americanized views on sexuality upon a European developer. It's not any different than the prudish being outraged about fanservice and Japanese erotica. If OP wants to emphasize the hypocrisy of western games journalism, he shouldn't be a hypocrite himself.

It's programming, Hollywood has been trying to normalize pedophilia in entertainment for decades and they've hit some speed bumps. [...] It's trying to be hammered through again...

Teenage sexuality is a thing you know, there's no reason why it can't be artistically portrayed in a fictional manner. That scene is clearly not intended to be titillating, but a realistic depiction of teenage romance. Comparing this to "brainwashing" people into normalizing pedophilia is some Alex Jones levels of tinfoil-hat projection.

As I've already shown, such themes have existed in classical literature long before Hollywood was even a thing. Your prudish outrage is just the other side of the coin, between the far-left social justice militants and the religious conservatives of the right.

 

[Ar¢tos]

I was just replying to the guy who said he hasn't seen any European country where the age of consent is 16 and claimed in most countries it's 17 or 18. Going down the age of consent list shows that there are more countries in Europe where it is 14 than where it is 17 (Portugal isn't the only country where it is 14). That's all.

It was just for people not to think that every country where the age is 14 is pedophile paradise! The other EU countries where the age is 14 have similar interpretation systems.

 

[WhiskeyDiver]

Instead of showing nudity in serious situations involving sub 18 year old humanoids, they should instead be focusing on whacky and embarrassing situations.

 

[Kdad]

oh great you're going down that route then are you? if you argue against it you're just gonna label them a pedo?

fuck this thread i'm out.

I'm 13 and am going to report you for fucking this thread with underage participants. PEDO!!!!


/s

 

[kiiltz]

OP shouldn't be advocating artistic and creative freedom, when he's triggered by a hint of boobies and the non-explicit depiction of teenage romance. He literally tried to compare the depiction of teenage romance in a fictional setting to pedophilia, implying that such content is a taboo for the artistic and creative freedom of expression. He complains that others are trying to take away his fanservice, but is calling for censorship of artistic content that he doesn't approve of. That's not falseflagging, it's merely being hypocritical.

Spoiler

He's not actually triggered. He's not actually calling for censorship. He's purposefully being hypocritical.

 

[Starlight Lotice]

OP shouldn't be advocating artistic and creative freedom, when he's triggered by a hint of boobies and the non-explicit depiction of teenage romance. He literally tried to compare the depiction of teenage romance in a fictional setting to pedophilia, implying that such content is a taboo for the artistic and creative freedom of expression. He complains that others are trying to take away his fanservice, but is calling for censorship of artistic content that he doesn't approve of. That's not falseflagging, it's merely being hypocritical.



I'm sure there's something resembling an argument in there, but for my dear life, I can't find it. France is one of the most liberal countries when it comes to sex and nudity. Ever heard about Alizee?

By using the Metro article posted in the OP in order to drum up outrage, he is quite evidently imposing his Americanized views on sexuality upon a European developer. It's not any different than the prudish being outraged about fanservice and Japanese erotica. If OP wants to emphasize the hypocrisy of western games journalism, he shouldn't be a hypocrite himself.

Teenage sexuality is a thing you know, there's no reason why it can't be artistically portrayed in a fictional manner. That scene is clearly not intended to be titillating, but a realistic depiction of teenage romance. Comparing this to "brainwashing" people into normalizing pedophilia is some Alex Jones levels of tinfoil-hat projection.

As I've already shown, such themes have existed in classical literature long before Hollywood was even a thing. Your prudish outrage is just the other side of the coin, between the far-left social justice militants and the religious conservatives of the right.

It is very telling who is from Europe and America in this thread.

I gave an example of two films that would stir up a lot of controversy in America (filmed in the UK), which I think would cause more a problem in this forum if it were made from the 90s with the modern perspective.

You are right that Teenage Romance stories are a thing, and implying that they have sex is usually done tastefully and is usually rated as a 12s or a 15s over here. I also think the films I mentioned do educate others that not everything is rosy in life and that we should prepare for them (abductions, rapes etc). Some of it is from an Artistic Vision, but I would like to think it is educational as well.

It's better to let people growing up be aware of the dangers and the life scenarios from these films or games (whichever it may be). The game itself is based on a realistic scenario unlike a Japanese game that is fictional (and exaggerated)

It is a shame that some are taking a more extreme view on these things as the scene in question isn't actually that bad compared to films Europeans have watched and created over the many years (there is even a genre of film in the UK about Awkward Sex between young Adults/Teens? people like to forget about those simply for being cringey rather than offensive) which depicts much more controversial topics to the American Audience.

 

[RedVIper]

Yes there's a double standard when it comes to depictions of sexuality between western games and Japanese games.

No there's nothing particularly wrong with depicting minors in sexual scenarios, especially if its a fucking cartoon.

 

[xool]

People like you are the reason why women in western games all look like 35 year old lesbians now.

Maybe it's not that bad.

Am I the only one that finds LastOfUs2's hardo gay woman kind of sexy ?



[actually I find here more than 'kind of sexy' - I go see shrink now thanks]

 

[Silent Duck]

Prove to me that's underage. Oh wait you can't because it's just a made up character. People like you are the reason why women in western games all look like 35 year old lesbians now. Oh and congrats on posting pics of a game where the characters are wearing bikinis in high school. I thought we were talking about sex and not underage people wearing swimsuits at the beach like you know normal people.

The current market trend dictates that all women in video games will look like this by the year 2021.*

*Disclaimer: No market trends indicate this in any way. I’m just assuming.

 

[SaucyJack]

Europe? Strange that you would use that a catch-all term really. Most countries in Europe age of consent it’s 17-18, Spain was 12 at one point, but that’s been increased. Nowhere have I seen it’s 16.

Really? That is so uninformed as to be unbelievable. Have you heard of Google at all?

There’s 50 sovereign states in Europe. 4 have an age of consent over 16 - Ireland (17), Cyprus (17), Turkey (18) and the Vatican City (18).

 

[Three]

Why has this become a discussion about age of consent? That law is different to what is happening here isn't it?

Consent has no baring on child porn laws. Those ages differ. Just as if you are 16 you can have sex but ratings systems prevent you from being able to see sex until you're 18. I believe that internationally (and I could be wrong) anyone under the age of 18 is considered a minor and this would be considered child porn if they were below that age, not the age that they can have sex.

There are laws for 'virtual' child porn and they mostly cover drawings and animations. In the US you have the Miller test which also takes into account the literary context of some work.

 

[Dr. Claus]

you do know it is legal for 16 years to have sex here, right? in some other european countries it is 15.

also, they aren't showing straight up nudity or sex scenes.

So you mean like 99% of the Japanese games that have been censored as of late? No straight up nudity or sex scenes and many of the people are 16+ in age.

So you don't think there is a double standard here?

 

[CJY]

Then you have not done your research.

Ah, I see many of the younger ages are from countries further east of Europe. But the older EU of Western Europe are all mostly 17-18. I haven’t done research on this topic in probably over a decade though, you’re right.

 

[CJY]

Bruh.

Denmark 15.
Finland 16.
Iceland 15.
Norway 16.
Sweden 15.

And that's only the Nordic countries.
It's actually harder to find a country where the age of consent is 17 or over in Europe than it is to find a country where it is 16, 15 or hell even 14.

Ok, wrong again. I’ll take your word for it. I’ve no problem admitting I’m wrong on the matter. Although in my opinion, that’s too young. But that’s another completely different discussion.

 

[Dr. Claus]

Did it have to show her boobs? No, absolutely not. It was intentional, it was a sexual act with minors and they wanted the girls tits in full view.

This is what these people want, to get you gradually comfortable with teen nudity in games flashing tits here and there. Then later there will be a scene in a game where it shows a nude teen top to bottom passing by the camera, then you'll get a scene in a movie with a teen girl wearing a shirt where her nipples are clearly visible through semi-translucent fabric, then you'll get a scene in a movie like in this game where it shows a teen girls breasts, and so on and so forth...

It's programming, Hollywood has been trying to normalize pedophilia in entertainment for decades and they've hit some speed bumps. They were pushing it hard in the early to mid 90's, do you remember "My Father The Hero" where they had 16 year old Katherine Heigl in a thong one piece?

It's trying to be hammered through again...

A few things:

1. Hollywood isn't normalizing pedophilia in entertainment.
2. Teenagers have sex *all the bloody time*.
3. Teenagers experiment with sexual clothing when possible.

Listen, I get it. You are jealous that you didn't get to experience any sexual escapades as a Teenager, but that is no reason to try and pretend ignorance on the subject.

 

[CJY]

so it's OK to be showing off under 18s in bikinis and having male characters stare at their boobs? tell me how that ain't sexualising them.... and yes i know that asian woman look young but again these characters range between 15 and 18 years old. it's disgusting.


UK. legal age is 16.

if you want to educate yourself have a read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe

You know, I’m gonna check out from this topic. But I recall some laws in place that sex between two 16 y/o is ok, but a 16 year old plus a person of 18+ is not allowed. Maybe I’m wrong on this too. Not trying to spread mis-information. It’s actually an area of the law that doesn’t affect me at all and I don’t have any kids...

Edit: thanks for the link too.

 

[ROMhack]

Can anybody name a Japanese game that deals with sexual content as sincerely as Life if Strange 2 does and includes nudity/sexual content and was attacked by more than five critics?

Edit: To explain, I'm curious to know which games might have been unfairly attacked. The only one I can think of is maybe Catherine.

 

[The Chairman]

Wait, aren't you the guy who made this very successful anti-censorship topic? You mounted a vocal defense of fanservice in that topic, so consider me surprised seeing you feign outrage about a nipple-flash in a video game.

First of all, it is not uncommon for teenagers to have sex. It's really not surprising to see a game, that is aimed at this particular demographic, tap into these experiences and portray these situations in a tactful manner. Yes, intercourse is implied, but it is not explicitly shown, so I really don't see the problem here.

Secondly, you're always complaining that american game journalism is imposing its cultural values on Japanese developers. Then why are you unable to acknowledge that this game was developed in France? As you should be aware, we Europeans are rather open-minded about nudity. It's not uncommon to see women of all ages walk around topless on our beaches for example. So excuse me for being a little bit incredulous when you're complaining about the depiction of a frikkin' nipple. Or are you, perhaps, imposing your own cultural values upon a European developer?

Aren't teenagers allowed to enjoy a creative product that is relevant to their own experiences? Such things have been depicted in movies for a long time now (American Pie, Kids, Wetlands, The Diary of a Teenage Girl). Even a lot of classical literature is about such themes (Homo Faber, Lolita, The Reader). I really don't see why a video game isn't allowed to do the same. Your whole hyperbolic accusations of pedophilia are quite frankly ridiculous and certainly does not help your case. If you want to enjoy your 300 year old Japanese dragon lolis, that's fine, whatever floats your boat, man. But don't be turning into Tipper Gore the moment you see an innocuous nipple!

If you want to expose the double standard in western games journalism, that's fine too. But the way how this topic and this discussion are framed is certainly the wrong way to go about things. Feigning moral outrage about the depiction of romantic teenage relations is just as culturally bone-headed and creatively small-minded as american game journalists drumming up outrage about sexy Japanese games.

You either didn't read anything in that thread or you have a serious problem in your reading comprehension.

First, not even once in the whole 27 pages of that thread was there anyone talking about "sexy Japanese games" so i don't even know where did you get that from??

Second, i was complaining about the lack of sexy outfits of a grown ass 30 year old women like black cat and lara croft in that thread and not the lack of 16 year old hot sex and skinny dipping nipples and all, so i don't know why are you surprised that a 30 year old man wants to see a 30 year old looking woman in a bikini but don't want to see the nipples and sex scenes of a teenage girl in his games.

 

[MagnesG]

OP shouldn't be advocating artistic and creative freedom, when he's triggered by a hint of boobies and the non-explicit depiction of teenage romance. He literally tried to compare the depiction of teenage romance in a fictional setting to pedophilia, implying that such content is a taboo for the artistic and creative freedom of expression. He complains that others are trying to take away his fanservice, but is calling for censorship of artistic content that he doesn't approve of. That's not falseflagging, it's merely being hypocritical.

Can anybody name a Japanese game that deals with sexual content as sincerely as Life if Strange 2 does and includes nudity/sexual content and was attacked by more than five critics?

Pure entitlement and gatekeeping post.

What does your sense of preferences and judgments dictates what other people enjoy and being passionate about? How do you know if someone liking lolis or just properly enjoying said games maybe for it's mechanics and gameplay? I'd say seeing a serious sexual teen drama like in LiS2 itself is more than distateful, and nothing could make me want to play it, well plus my dislike with walking simulator-esque games. I'm confident though, at least I'm not gonna tell people what to watch, what to like whatsoever.

 

[ROMhack]

Pure entitlement and gatekeeping post.

What does your sense of preferences and judgments dictates what other people enjoy and being passionate about? How do you know someone liking lolis or just properly enjoying said games maybe for it's mechanics and gameplay? I'd say seeing a serious sexual teen drama like in LiS2 itself is more than distateful, and nothing could make me want to play it, well plus my dislike with walking simulator-esque games. I'm confident though, at least I'm not gonna tell people what to watch, what to like whatsoever. Ew.

It's hard to reply as I don't really know what you're going on about. I'm just curious to know which games OP thinks have been unfairly attacked. The only one I can think of is maybe Catherine.

 

[DynamiteCop!]

A few things:

1. Hollywood isn't normalizing pedophilia in entertainment.
2. Teenagers have sex *all the bloody time*.
3. Teenagers experiment with sexual clothing when possible.

Listen, I get it. You are jealous that you didn't get to experience any sexual escapades as a Teenager, but that is no reason to try and pretend ignorance on the subject.

Says the guy with an 11 year old anime girl as his avatar. Bitch please.