That's such horseshit. I've been on Windows 10 from day one and it's been fine.
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Will P.C. ever “replace” consoles?
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That's such horseshit. I've been on Windows 10 from day one and it's been fine.
hunthunt
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Lol no, Its not happening
Streaming will probably kill both Pc gaming and consoles in 20 years but Pcs will never kill consoles, most people dont care and hate everything that Pc nerds brag off: fps\resolution and hardware configurations, computer parts, digital gaming stores, operating systems, strategy games, simulation and hardcore rpgs, etc.
Streaming will probably kill both Pc gaming and consoles in 20 years but Pcs will never kill consoles, most people dont care and hate everything that Pc nerds brag off: fps\resolution and hardware configurations, computer parts, digital gaming stores, operating systems, strategy games, simulation and hardcore rpgs, etc.
DunDunDunpachi
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Will generalized hardware ever replace purpose-built hardware?
Streaming will eventually kill consoles, because consoles are made for price and convenience, and streaming is going to end up being cheaper and more convenient. Streaming won't kill PCs, because PCs are for people who want the best experience regardless of cost.
Consoles were always for kids and casuals. They don't care about quality (if they did, they'd have high end PCs).
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DunDunDunpachi
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Yet another PC gamer who neglects the most important area of quality: software quality.
Starlight Lotice
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Not many people like tinkering their PC every year, nor have the space to place a Desk Tower and at minimum 2 monitors.
Consoles are simpler and limited in what they do, but they are very much plug and play affairs with the odd broken game.
PC Gaming is all about giving the best experience to your tailored custom UIs, Button Layouts and perfomance, but it requires more money, time and experience (as well as some more room to place everything you want).
It won't ever replace consoles, but it is a great alternative for those who wish to garner a more personalised experience.
PCs are evergreen which is an advantage for BC, Custom Firmware and using any OS you desire to get the best possible experience for the games of their age.
Consoles are simpler and limited in what they do, but they are very much plug and play affairs with the odd broken game.
PC Gaming is all about giving the best experience to your tailored custom UIs, Button Layouts and perfomance, but it requires more money, time and experience (as well as some more room to place everything you want).
It won't ever replace consoles, but it is a great alternative for those who wish to garner a more personalised experience.
PCs are evergreen which is an advantage for BC, Custom Firmware and using any OS you desire to get the best possible experience for the games of their age.
Birdo
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It will end up close enough to not really be an issue for people who don't care about numbers or dick measuring.
Also, to be fair, power has never been a big factor in buying trends for consoles. Just see the PS2, Wii, and DS. Which all outsold their rivals, despite being the weakest.
Bro.
Radical Dreamer
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Hopefuly not :>
Yet another PC gamer who neglects the most important area of quality: software quality.
Oh you mean all that software that's released on every platform anyway?
ViolentP
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It won't be close nor does it have to. Also, many of us prefer performance because that is simply what we prefer. Not everything has to be a pissing contest against console users.
#Phonepunk#
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I’ve been a dual PC and console gamer since the 80s. I don’t see consoles going away. People love gadgets, it’s not like the PC has made cell phone browsing obsolete either.
The problem with cell phones is that they're an objectively inferior interface that's less efficient. The only positive qualities they have are size and mobility. Web browsing is absurdly more efficient on the PC with a mouse and keyboard than some sack of shit phone.
spons
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RIP BlackBerry, their keyboards and their superior OS. The Passport really presented the best smartphone form factor, unless you only consume widescreen media.
As for the discussion at hand, that's really comparing apples and oranges, although I dislike oranges.
Also a friendly reminder that as long as piracy exists in such a simple form, PC gaming will always be a thing.
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The_Mike
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30 fps is such a bad experience for me it kills all my interest in the game. I want the best experience and input lag isn't one of them.
iconmaster
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DeliciousDoc
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I was fine with consoles for years but then they killed backward compability and Japanese games are on pc now. I can play games from 30 years ago on the same device as games that came out last week.
Protagonist Jake
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I can’t believe how many people are bringing up stadia.
To me streaming is gonna be about as effective on gaming as mobile games. Even less effective actually
To me streaming is gonna be about as effective on gaming as mobile games. Even less effective actually
JareBear: Remastered
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No, I believe they will always co-exist. There’s always gonna be a market/audience for both mediums.
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DunDunDunpachi
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You were just in another thread praising Super Metroid. If you don't comprehend the basics of creating a commercial product then I cannot help you. The intention of consoles is to push a brand that has an expected level of quality and variety. The weakness of the hardware is compensated by the quality of the software. It has been this way since the NES.
ZywyPL
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No. They maybe share many 3rd party games, but other than that they are completely separate entities.
And if anything, as far as gaming alone goes, it's the quite opposite - the general public chooses the consoles as their sole (stationary) gaming device, while laptops/tablets serve for the rest of the tasks like the internet, movies, music Word, Excel etc.
Hell, if you look at PCs most popular titles - WoW, LoL, CSGO, DoTA2, all the BR shooters, all the card games, auto chess games etc., all of them can be easily played on laptops.
PC as a pure gaming machine is just getting ridiculously more and more expensive each year, back in the day the games cost half as much compared to consoles, so it was somehow justified/compensated over the course of time, but nowadays it's all the same, it has become a really expensive hobby in the last two decades.
And if anything, as far as gaming alone goes, it's the quite opposite - the general public chooses the consoles as their sole (stationary) gaming device, while laptops/tablets serve for the rest of the tasks like the internet, movies, music Word, Excel etc.
Hell, if you look at PCs most popular titles - WoW, LoL, CSGO, DoTA2, all the BR shooters, all the card games, auto chess games etc., all of them can be easily played on laptops.
PC as a pure gaming machine is just getting ridiculously more and more expensive each year, back in the day the games cost half as much compared to consoles, so it was somehow justified/compensated over the course of time, but nowadays it's all the same, it has become a really expensive hobby in the last two decades.
In 1994, computer hardware was still novel. You could actually have a real competitive edge.
PCs had no real capability to output silky smooth scrolling 2D like dedicated arcade and console hardware (even stuff like Commander Keen was dog shit compared to a real 2D game from that era). The SNES demonstrably was capable of outputting better graphics than the Genesis, and the Neo Geo was demonstrably capable of outputting better graphics than the SNES.
That novel hardware, those advantages, are why consumers bent over for platform holders. THEY BROUGHT SOMETHING TO THE TABLE.
Today, they bring nothing to the table. An off the shelf Dell PC is a better gaming system than the Playstation 4. They have no value anymore.
So what's left? Artificial exclusivity to prop up useless hardware. Lame.
Also, I want to dispel some myths about software quality: virtually all game code is shit, the only worse offender than Japan is China when it comes to shit code, and generally speaking PC game code is much better than console game code.
PC games always had to run at variable framerates on variable hardware. They actually had to be more robust designs BY NECESSITY. Look at all the shit ass console games that run at fixed framerates, with game logic tied to framerate, etc. Japanese game code is utter rubbish.
So don't talk to me about software quality when we're talking about console exclusive games. Nintendo's software quality was such dog shit they couldn't even get the physics right in a re-release of SMB for the SNES.
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I doubt it. People want curated experiences and walled gardens.
Stuart360
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I dont think PC's will ever 'replace' consoles, but when streaming takes off in the future (unfortunately it will eventually happen), and consoles are no more, PC gaming will still exist due to the millions of PC gamers that care just as much about hardware as they do the games themselves, and always wanting to push pixels and framerates with new hardware, and willing to spend the big bucks to do it. The likes of Nvidia, AMD, and Intel etc certainly wont want PC gaming to end either for obvious reasons.
So imo if you want to avoid that streaming only future, get into PC gaming.
So imo if you want to avoid that streaming only future, get into PC gaming.
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Stuart360
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The only games PC doesnt get are Sony exclusives. You can even play Switch games on PC at better rez and framerates. And thats not taking into account the endless PC only games that release daily.
Bingo. Consoles have ALWAYS been about convenience, and nothing is going to be lazier or more convenient than streaming crap. It's going to win for casuals eventually.
Nintendo transforming into a mobile shovelware factory has made it a LOT easier to go PC only. It doesn't hurt that Naughty Dog likes to make movies more than games now, either.
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synchronicity
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There will probably always be a market that caters to the average Joe/Jill that can't be arsed to fiddle with PC. So I don't think so.
For me, PC is the bulk of my gaming, but then again I'm a Linux elitist. (who begrudgingly uses Windows occasionally)
I still love consoles too though. (Although if all the content were available immediately on PC, I'd never buy a dedicated box again.)
For me, PC is the bulk of my gaming, but then again I'm a Linux elitist. (who begrudgingly uses Windows occasionally)
I still love consoles too though. (Although if all the content were available immediately on PC, I'd never buy a dedicated box again.)
Danjin44
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I’m guessing you are talking about emulators, that would require spend high amount of money for decent PC. I rather just have my Switch and also PC doesn’t get third party games like Persona series (or most of Atlus games) and Kingdom Hearts series. Again I’m not saying PC doesn’t get games, it doesn’t get the games I want.
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Shangounchained
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Never infact pcs are becoming more like powerstations for professional stuff, consoles now look and perform well enough I mean 1080p 30 was the minimum stabdard this gen consoles can now do 4k 30 and games still look good, PC,S where only important bk in the days when consoles could only achieve sub 720p and sub 25fps, after seeing last of us 2 it's completely pointless to get a pc solely for gaming, when next gen comes out with raytracing and 120fps, the only thing people will get a pc for is to edit YouTube videos and simulate the weather!
Stuart360
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Aned there are a million Weeb games on Steam, a few release daily, literally. Your tastes would be more than fulfilled.
Danjin44
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Nah, both Switch and PS4 gets most of the Japanese games I want, I don’t see any reason waste my money on PC.
DunDunDunpachi
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As someone who played Keen and the NES platformers side by side growing up, I agree that PC couldn't cut it in a lot of areas. I also agree that some of the more modern consoles are to some extent just cheap PCs with less flexibility than a PC.
To say they have "no value" is naive. This is why I pointed out that you don't seem to grasp the basic concept of a commercial product. Let's say I own a bar where I serve beer and liquor to my customers. I make $x.00 minus all the upkeep and the cost of beer that I'm buying from the various brewers. In this way, I am like Steam or a streaming service. I just deliver the content and take a slice for myself. However, this means that the patron (the gamer) is going to spend more money to have an inferior product. They could instead stay home and spend their money on much nicer alcohol (high end PC) and drink it there instead.
"Why drink at the bar at all?" This is the conclusion I came to when I was in my early 20s, as an aside.
But what if I decide to purchase equipment and open a microbrewery in the back of my bar? Instead of buying beer and paying the middle man, I can brand my bar and sell the beer I create at the cost of labor, water, and brewing material. Not only is my profit margin significantly higher, but I can offer an experience that a lot of people can't get when they buy a 6-pack and drink at home. Maybe you have a dedicated bar at your own house with better stools, a bigger mirror, and finer-quality alcohol. Like a high-end PC, this is indeed in one's reach to make in their own home if they so wish.
However, most people can get a comparable experience for a much lower cost by visiting my bar. Not everyone is going to build their own home bar.
Furthermore, if the big beer manufacturers aren't making the flavors (exclusives) I want, I can make my own. This attracts more customers to my brewery, both to drink in my bar and/or to buy alcohol and bring it home with themselves. Maybe barkeep wasn't my true talent and brewing beer is. Maybe my beer is so good that I start gaining national notoriety.
At this point, I have a choice: I could sell this really tasty beer to other bars and other stores, or I could keep it to my bar and only serve it at my locations.
Consoles are a brewery. You come for the brand and for the craftmanship.
There's nothing "artificial" about the exclusivity at all. You're buying a brand. When you buy a PC, you're buying a PC and your gaming experience depends on the user's pluck. If you're a dullard who can't figure it out, then you'll have a mediocre PC gaming experience. The end user has no guarantees. This is a flaw, by the way, not something to wear as a badge of honor. PC gamers seem to relish the feeling of talking down to "casuals", and it has been this way since the NES.
Other than an NES (briefly) and a Game Boy, I've exclusively been a PC gamer for more than half of my gaming career.
The code base for a game is only one facet of software quality. You know this. I know this. Therefore, I don't understand your point in the quotes above.Also, I want to dispel some myths about software quality: virtually all game code is shit, the only worse offender than Japan is China when it comes to shit code, and generally speaking PC game code is much better than console game code.
PC games always had to run at variable framerates on variable hardware. They actually had to be more robust designs BY NECESSITY. Look at all the shit ass console games that run at fixed framerates, with game logic tied to framerate, etc. Japanese game code is utter rubbish.
So don't talk to me about software quality when we're talking about console exclusive games. Nintendo's software quality was such dog shit they couldn't even get the physics right in a re-release of SMB for the SNES.
Digity
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Please tell me you're joking lol.
Stuart360
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Thaedolus
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It's entirely dependent on your use scenario...what do you want out of a gaming device? A PC will always offer the best fidelity. It comes at the cost of money, space, power requirements, size, etc. If I had to pick one end all, be all device right now out of all the devices I have...it'd probably be the Switch. It can run any retro legacy shit, and it can play modern stuff acceptably well, and do so anywhere. It's the jack of all trades. But recognizing I have a home office and space and money isn't a huge concern, PC is always going to give me the best experience when I'm in my house. My GPU is like 4x the mass of a Switch, and my PC basically heats the office I have in my basement by itself. But goddamn if 144hz and 1440p and all that shit isn't worth it when I'm not worried about lugging it around somewhere. And I can output to my TV + surround sound plus have wireless Xbox controllers for comfy couch gaming with friends too if need be.
The only thing holding PC back as a platform is 1st party support from companies like Sony and Nintendo. Microsoft getting on board has been great, I wish the other companies would follow suit though I doubt it will ever happen.
The only thing holding PC back as a platform is 1st party support from companies like Sony and Nintendo. Microsoft getting on board has been great, I wish the other companies would follow suit though I doubt it will ever happen.
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Arachnid
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Yeah but unless its AAA, good luck having controller support without having to go through the trouble of workarounds.There have been PC game controllers since the 90s....
And the Xbox controller is already compatible with Windows....
Thaedolus
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This is nonsense. X360 controller support is almost ubiquitous in PC games and has been for like over a decade.
Stuart360
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The only PC games that dont get controller support these days are RTS games (and even some of them have started getting controller support), and some Indie games. A lot of Indie games do also get controller support though, and almost all AAA and AA games have controller support. I game on PC almost exclusively using a controller (back injury means i'm pretty much a couch gamer), and i havent had to use for example, the Steam overlay where you can set up controller support yourself. I havent had to use it once.
Its the much older games, like 10+ years old, that usually dont have controller support. Basically pre-360 in a lot of cases.
Arachnid
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No, there are plenty of times I've had to forgo using my controller because of lack of support or partial support (which may as well be lack of support). Especially with the indie library or games too complicated for controller support (Crusader Kings 2 for example). If you're playing off steam, you could buy a steam controller but then you have to also remap the different buttons (the only reason I've avoided the steam controller, too much hassle)
EDIT: Mostly what Stuart said. I'd rather keep it simple and stick to console most of the time (unless there's an extensive modding scene).
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Platinumstorm
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Couple of people state how their consoles are more convenient. Nothing says convenient like weekly slow system updates and massive patches.
I don't really konw what will happen, but computers have a higher barrier of entry cost, so I doubt they will replace them entirely. For me, the best experience is PC.
I don't really konw what will happen, but computers have a higher barrier of entry cost, so I doubt they will replace them entirely. For me, the best experience is PC.
Stuart360
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RTS games are real tricky to set up on controller, hense why you dont get many RTS games on console. Some recent ones have started getting controller support though, the more basic ones.
You can use like X-Padder to set up so the sticks and buttons are like a mouse. I control my whole PC from my XB1 controller using X-Padder, its pretty cool and it means i can play RTS games (although i'm not ahuge fan to be honest).
Radical Dreamer
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I play on console almost daily and the amount of over exaggeration from you is insane xD WEEKLY SLOW SYSTEM UPDATES
Katsura
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And the ps4 controller works natively in steam and everywhere else with a small free program running in the backgroundThere have been PC game controllers since the 90s....
And the Xbox controller is already compatible with Windows....
Thaedolus
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I feel like this is some bizzaro world shit...if something is too complicated for a gamepad then it follows it would have the same issues on console and M+KB is the way to go anyway? And where’s M+KB absolutely the standard? PC.
I just haven’t seen this lack of support for controllers in PC games...like, at all. If anything I get annoyed that when I want to play M+KB I sometimes need to unplug/unpair a game pad because a game will default to that when it’s plugged in.