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TLOU2 Haters and Detractors are review-bombing Metacritic. The Salt rises!

Geki-D

Banned
You can totally disagree with it that's fine, that doesn't make it any less true and a rule to follow for the most successful writers.
...I'm curious, who exactly do you consider to be "the most successful writers"? Because if you honestly think books like To Kill a Mockingbird, The Help, 1984, Atlas Shrugged, All Quiet on the Western Front, Fahrenheit 451 & many others don't have any ideology behind them... Then I don't know what to tell you...
 
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rubhen925

Member
It's not just Metacritic. If you cover the game on your channel, you will get hate comments. I just finished uploading the full game on my channel and gotten over a thousand hate comments about the game, along with hate towards me for playing it. Here's one of my faves haha. Apparently if you played the game and covered it you deserve to be unliked. Haha some people just need to chill and get their priorities straight.

Aside from the story being what it is. I genuinely felt the gameplay, visuals, audio design, exploration and level design was a huge step up from the OG Last of Us. But the first game had a more focused and great story.

I just feel if they are gonna make a Last of Us 3, they should make a prequel focusing on the 20 years in between the outbreak day till Joel meets Ellie. I'd love for a game just about Joel's smuggler days with Tommy, Tess, and Bill.
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DragoonKain

Neighbours from Hell
I haven't read any spoilers, I've stayed away from pretty much everything regarding this game.

Is this game getting review bombed as revenge on Naughty Dog for getting videos discussing leaked taken down on Youtube or are people pissed about the plot?
 

Barnabot

Member
As a conservative this kind of shit pisses me off, because its like 2% of our base doing this review bombing and making us 98% look bad, and to the outsider that reaffirms to them whatever negative things people say about us about how we're all allegedly homophobes.

The game's really good and clearly closer to the 95 critic score than the 3.3 user score
how do you know all those people who disliked the game are conservatives?
 

Teslerum

Member
I haven't read any spoilers, I've stayed away from pretty much everything regarding this game.

Is this game getting review bombed as revenge on Naughty Dog for getting videos discussing leaked taken down on Youtube or are people pissed about the plot?

All of the above. Also aggrevated by minor stuff like the self-inserts I assume.
 

Cato

Banned
Mate you're approach is not honest, not reasonable. Naught Dog games have a track record you know?

This anomalie happening right know cannot possibly be explained by honest criticism of the actual game.
It's an ideological battle between political fractions and you whole-heartedly support it.

An sincere and genuine person would never do such a thing. A honest judgment would be to criticise whatever agenda or mechanics they dislike, but nevertheless respect a good work done.

A 0 out of 10 is a straight political evaluation - a mere fraction of the genuine thing. Hence ultimately limited in scope.

You are simplifying it.
I bought TLOU for PS3 and TLOUR and I absolutely love the game.
Ok, the stealth system is pretty shit.
Combat is substandard.
Graphics are great
But story and character arcs are out of this world.

I rare TLOU as 10/10 because the story is so good. Eventhough the actual gameplay is just so so and the actual stealth is garbage. It is still 10/10 in my book due to the strength of the story.

TLOU2 has no character arcs. TLOU2 combat is the same as TLOU1. Stealth is still shit. But now the story is complete shit and does not engage me at all. 3/10. 3 because it is technically a very beautiful game. Story and characters are still shit.


Yeah, call me russian bot now. Or transphobe, I don't care. The story is just shit and the story was the only thing that turned TLOU1 from a mediocre game into a masterpiece.
Call me alt right or nazi. I disagreed with you.
 

Self

Member
Yeah, call me russian bot now. Or transphobe, I don't care. The story is just shit and the story was the only thing that turned TLOU1 from a mediocre game into a masterpiece.
Call me alt right or nazi. I disagreed with you.

I would never call you that. Why should I?

So let me summarize your theorie about this anomalie which is happening right now:

People actually never liked TLoU, never liked it's gameplay, it's scenario, it's mechanics. They actively disliked everything it had on offer, but because of the good story it still scored high in your and their opinion (all along with professional reviews).

This time around the story is somewhat flawed, hence the outrage and underwhelming scores.
(0 out of 10!)

Does this theorie sound legit and explain the anomalie in your opinion?
 
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Valentino

Member

Ewwww, how embarrassing to be a Microsoft fan boy....... act the fool guys. Realllll messy and bitter. This is why people are defending the game and not taking any probable real criticism seriously because of this fuckery that is going on..........Gosshhhh, I don't use the ideology of 'warring' ever......but just admit defeat and leave. You've had time to do so since 2013. Go beg Microsoft to make some GOTY games if your so sour you got no new games to play this year. Really showing themselves up. again.
 

Panajev2001a

GAF's Pleasant Genius
...I'm curious, who exactly do you consider to be "the most successful writers"? Because if you honestly think books like To Kill a Mockingbird, The Help, 1984, Atlas Shrugged, All Quiet on the Western Front, Fahrenheit 451 & many others don't have any ideology behind them... Then I don't know what to tell you...

Oh I love someone to read Atlas Shrugged or The Fountainhead as free of politics lol or Animal Farm or 1984... lollolllol.
 

Panajev2001a

GAF's Pleasant Genius
Ewwww, how embarrassing to be a Microsoft fan boy....... act the fool guys. Realllll messy and bitter. This is why people are defending the game and not taking any probable real criticism seriously because of this fuckery that is going on..........Gosshhhh, I don't use the ideology of 'warring' ever......but just admit defeat and leave. You've had time to do so since 2013. Go beg Microsoft to make some GOTY games if your so sour you got no new games to play this year. Really showing themselves up. again.

Wow... these people take coordinated system wars to another level 😂.
 
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Geki-D

Banned
Oh I love someone to read Atlas Shrugged or The Fountainhead as free of politics lol or Animal Farm or 1984... lollolllol.
Yeah, the idea that media should be devoid of politics and ideology is pretty fucking dumb. I generally assume people who think this are either utterly oblivious to themes in the stuff they consume and pay no actual attention or only consume like the most base, low level stuff like children's cartoons & the dumbest of 'flashy images on the screen to shove popcorn into your face' movies.

And even then, I'm sure that stuff still has some ideology behind it or can be seen as having one. I mean, I've never seen a Fast & Furious movie but I know that it has a multiracial cast. That'll seem normal to most people but to a white nationalist, they're going to see the movie as pushing a "multicultural agenda".

"No ideology" is impossible, one group's normal will always be another's "agenda push".
 
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Cato

Banned
As a sony super fan with >25 sony consoles in my dedicated playstation room:
I say, that is accurate and funny.


Good stuff. All these xboxers that laugh at this are welcome to come to my sony room. I will bring beer and snacks.
I will show you really good PS games like Xenogears and Vagrant story. Then we drink more beer and laugh at TLOU2
Any Xbox friends want to come?
 

GreyHorace

Member
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“You are a slow learner, Winston."
"How can I help it? How can I help but see what is in front of my eyes? The user score is 3.4."
"Sometimes, Winston. Sometimes they are 10. Sometimes they are 9.5. Sometimes they are all of them at once. You must try harder. It is not easy to become sane.”


- George Orwell, Twenty Twenty
 
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Senhua

Member
You are simplifying it.
I bought TLOU for PS3 and TLOUR and I absolutely love the game.
Ok, the stealth system is pretty shit.
Combat is substandard.
Graphics are great
But story and character arcs are out of this world.

I rare TLOU as 10/10 because the story is so good. Eventhough the actual gameplay is just so so and the actual stealth is garbage. It is still 10/10 in my book due to the strength of the story.

TLOU2 has no character arcs. TLOU2 combat is the same as TLOU1. Stealth is still shit. But now the story is complete shit and does not engage me at all. 3/10. 3 because it is technically a very beautiful game. Story and characters are still shit.


Yeah, call me russian bot now. Or transphobe, I don't care. The story is just shit and the story was the only thing that turned TLOU1 from a mediocre game into a masterpiece.
Call me alt right or nazi. I disagreed with you.
Genuine curious, if you really like story and graphic in video games, would you will find reading books and watching film same too? even better cause TLoU storytelling maybe great from games standard but still far cry from both mentioned.
 

Cato

Banned
Genuine curious, if you really like story and graphic in video games, would you will find reading books and watching film same too? even better cause TLoU storytelling maybe great from games standard but still far cry from both mentioned.

Don't know exactly what the question is, but books like Tooles Confederacy is awesome imh and O'Brians Third Policeman is great compared to other books.
Just like TLOU1s story compared to stories of other video games.
Of course, TLOU1 narrative can not hold a candle against book form narratives.

TLOU1 can not be compared to competent book works or films. It is a very limited media after all, aimed at not exactly the ...
But TLOU1 is absolutely much much better than any other works of art in the video game genre so far. And TLOU2 is shit, even in the
low standards of "video game is art" genre.
 
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how do you know all those people who disliked the game are conservatives?

Sadly I think it's getting review bombed from both extremes.

Conservative cucklords who hate a woman who is a lesbian, doesn't have DDs, isn't just their to jack off to as a main character.

And SJWs who want that lesbian character to never do any wrong (HOW COULD YOU PORTRAY A LESBIAN LIKE THAT- 0/10)


But I must admit I agree with your quoted post- overall it makes conservatives look bad.

We can all agree SJWs/ 'the left' can easily be baited into being 'triggered' by dumb shit. That is not in dispute.

What I have found lately and this forum is heavily, heavily in denial of is that in answer to this, 'conservatives' have been triggered at everything.

A girl is a main character? A black person? ANY mention of politics? They go crying about how everything is a left wing conspiracy / politics in mah gamez!! / forced diversity!!!

I mean come on conservatives. Aren't you meant to be the stoic, strong types? Play it or don't and base it off it's merits, and accept other points of view in your media. Take your tampons out and stop fucking crying about it.
 
As a sony super fan with >25 sony consoles in my dedicated playstation room:
I say, that is accurate and funny.


Good stuff. All these xboxers that laugh at this are welcome to come to my sony room. I will bring beer and snacks.
I will show you really good PS games like Xenogears and Vagrant story. Then we drink more beer and laugh at TLOU2
Any Xbox friends want to come?
You know the meme you quoted is a happy guy faking to be crying?
Not sure what you're saying tbh
 
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hyperbertha

Member
I desperately want this game to be good. One side tells me its trash and the other side says its the best story ever. I don't really trust mainstream reviewers but neither can I trust pissed of players review bombing. Where can I go for a really objective opinion about this game?
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Cato

Banned
You know the meme you quoted is a happy guy faking to be crying?
Not sure what you're saying tbh

Maybe I am a bit slow. I read the meme as "someone pretends to be upset they don't get to play TLOU2 but the game us shit so in reality they are laughing they dodged a bullet?"
Like how xbox folks dodged a bullet when NoMansSky was released.

Maybe I am studid and have missed things. Still, I bid on an original Xbox on ebay so if I win I will look forward to play its exclusives.
Still have >25 sony consoles in the sony room though. And shelves with original games wall to wall.
Want to do the same with a dedicated xbox room now,
 
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Dodkrake

Banned
About 13h in. So far, the game has been fantastic. It's a very competent stealth game, with excellent survival horror sections. Didn't feel any of the wholeness people talk about so far.

13h in: still 10/10
 

HoodWinked

Member
So, the review bombing is not even politically motivated. It's just petty console warring. Pathetic.

those are cherry picked its unlikely to be just xbox trolls as they would be overwhelmed by the positive reviews considering just how much larger the ps fanbase is. in fact all exclusives have some fanboy review bias but its never to the extent that it would drop the average by such a huge degree.
 

Caio

Member
I desperately want this game to be good. One side tells me its trash and the other side says its the best story ever. I don't really trust mainstream reviewers but neither can I trust pissed of players review bombing. Where can I go for a really objective opinion about this game?
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Play the Game, it's a Masterpiece. And shut up. Enjoy.
 

Redlancet

Banned
These are people who played the entire game and gave their honest opinion. The negative ones did as well so I respect them. People trashing the game ten seconds after user reviews opened when the game has not even been out for 24 hours yet are review bombing.
Users like these?
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Cato

Banned
Sadly I think it's getting review bombed from both extremes.

Conservative cucklords who hate a woman who is a lesbian, doesn't have DDs, isn't just their to jack off to as a main character.

And SJWs who want that lesbian character to never do any wrong (HOW COULD YOU PORTRAY A LESBIAN LIKE THAT- 0/10)


But I must admit I agree with your quoted post- overall it makes conservatives look bad.

We can all agree SJWs/ 'the left' can easily be baited into being 'triggered' by dumb shit. That is not in dispute.

What I have found lately and this forum is heavily, heavily in denial of is that in answer to this, 'conservatives' have been triggered at everything.

A girl is a main character? A black person? ANY mention of politics? They go crying about how everything is a left wing conspiracy / politics in mah gamez!! / forced diversity!!!

I mean come on conservatives. Aren't you meant to be the stoic, strong types? Play it or don't and base it off it's merits, and accept other points of view in your media. Take your tampons out and stop fucking crying about it.

Sorry but that is retarded.
Why do you have to be conservative to hate the game? That is retarded.
I dislike the game, not because I am conservative (I am not) or because I hate women (I do not).
I dislike the game because the story is shit. And this type of game is 100% story and nothing else.
The game story is shit that is why the game is shit,
 
Unfortunately for you I can and do substantiate my assertions. :D

Please go learn what an unsubstantiated assertion is.
Example:

If you think any game produced by a developer as well respected across the entire industry as Naughty Dog warrants a 0/10 score you are an idiot, most likely an idiot with an axe to grind.
 

Flintty

Member
As a sony super fan with >25 sony consoles in my dedicated playstation room:
I say, that is accurate and funny.


Good stuff. All these xboxers that laugh at this are welcome to come to my sony room. I will bring beer and snacks.
I will show you really good PS games like Xenogears and Vagrant story. Then we drink more beer and laugh at TLOU2
Any Xbox friends want to come?
You got yourself a date. I’ll bring snackage 😘
 

Sorc3r3r

Member
Hate for the sake of hating.
A kind of mental stance that can't separate the wrong from the wrong doer, so let's burn everything.
There is a character that reminds me this stance.
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asustitan

Banned
Regardless if zeros are too harsh, there is definitely an underlying issue when the main critics score straight 10's and the users are nowhere near that. This is like the Dave Chappelle special review on Rotten Tomatoes.

If the critics were more balanced, I believe the users would also be more balanced.
 
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Vroadstar

Member
Of course you got some Xbox fanboys there, but how many? 1%? 2%? Just look at the score from The Last of Us 1. So don't blame Xbox fanboys for the score, i bet for every XFB with a 0-2/10 you got at least 2 SFB rating it 10/10 without having played it.

They are X fanboys no matter how you spin it. The first TLOU amassed 9,628 user scores total for its entire lifespan, TLOU2 user score has amassed 5,105 not even 24 hours being out. and as shown by Redlancet Redlancet obvious is obvious. It's just embarassing you are making excuses for it, wonder why.
 
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Geki-D

Banned
1) Mods and supervisors, and permanent ban for these poor fools / Delete Trash reviews&ratings
Problem with this is that we already know people are making multiple accounts to downvote, seeing as a good number are brand new accounts are there just to give the game a 0 and there are even signs of bots being used. So simple moderation isn't really viable. What they'll do is just delete all the0 scores for a few days then call it a day. The ultimate response would be for people to realise that user scores are utterly worthless and aren't worth putting any stock into.
 

Clear

CliffyB's Cock Holster
Please go learn what an unsubstantiated assertion is.
Example:

Having worked in the industry for years, and knowing socially and professionally a great many people who also work in the biz, I'm pretty confident I know exactly in how high regard ND are held.

One of the reasons for that is the extreme level of technical and artistic achievement in their output. This is not a team that puts out broken, janky, ugly games, their work is of the highest quality. A fact attested to by the ridiculous number of accolades they receive from users and the media.

Not liking a game's story, or its political outlook is fine, BUT if you think that makes it ok to disregard every other quality it posesses, and condemn it to the sort of low score that is incredibly rare (0/10 are far less common than 10/10') you are an IDIOT.

Bottom line: By condoning a score that should rightly be limited to titles that are fundamentally broken, you basically are spitting in the face of a whole load of talented people who have worked insanely hard to create art, animation, music, code etc. that's of the highest standard.


That to me, is fucking unconscionable. You don't get to do that because you are butthurt over characters not being given the appropriate levels of fan-service, because you don't like the directors politics, because its on the wrong platform or whatever.

Its idiotic, and if you hold that view, or condone/support the same you are an idiot.
 
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turtlepowa

Banned
They are X fanboys no matter how you spin it. The first TLOU amassed 9,628 user scores total for its entire lifespan, TLOU2 user score has amassed 5,105 not even 24 hours being out. and as shown by Redlancet Redlancet obvious is obvious. It's just embarassing you are making excuses for it, wonder why.
And where are all those evil Xbox fanboys at God of War (9.1), Spiderman-Man (8.6), Bloodborne (8.9), TLOU1 (9.1), HZD (8.4) and so on? Just accept that this game polarizes.
 
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Caio

Member
Problem with this is that we already know people are making multiple accounts to downvote, seeing as a good number are brand new accounts are there just to give the game a 0 and there are even signs of bots being used. So simple moderation isn't really viable. What they'll do is just delete all the0 scores for a few days then call it a day. The ultimate response would be for people to realise that user scores are utterly worthless and aren't worth putting any stock into.

Yep. I would do some cleaning. It could be done by removing all the ratings between 0 and 9 for Masterpieces like The Last of Us Part II :D

Kidding aside, this is a mess and something should be done. I think there are solutions to keep under controll this kind of pathetic situations and general madness of these poor fools on the loose.
 
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Mate you're approach is not honest, not reasonable. Naught Dog games have a track record you know?

In what way does any of that address the claim that a 10/10 is by definition a reasonable extreme and a 0/0 somehow is not?

This is the glaring problem with some of the people defending the perfect scores at all costs. I have no problem whatsoever with 10/10s. I've said as much repeatedly. My default position is that people are being sincere. They loved the game, they awarded it a 10/10. That's enough for me. I'm not going to question their motivations.

By the same token, theoretically, I don't have a problem with 0/0s. My assumption is people really disliked TLoU2, for whatever reason, and are expressing their profound distaste, perhaps symbolically, perhaps hyperbolically.

Now notice the mental gymnastics of some posters:

All 10/10s are genuine. All 0/0s are bullshit. All 10/10s are from people who finished the game. All 0/0s are form people who never even touched it.

So that pep talk about honesty and integrity, you take it up with the people who badly need it, ok?

This anomalie happening right know cannot possibly be explained by honest criticism of the actual game.
It's an ideological battle between political fractions and you whole-heartedly support it.

Not true at all.

What I don't support is the view that all 10/10s - even the thousands posted ahead of launch - are by angelic disinterested creatures who are merely expressing their honest opinion, whereas all 0/0s are by evil alt-righters who never touched the game and are bent on destroying Naughty Dog.

Where is the evidence for any of that?

An sincere and genuine person would never do such a thing. A honest judgment would be to criticise whatever agenda or mechanics they dislike, but nevertheless respect a good work done.

Yes, the only honest opinions are the ones you can somehow see yourself reflected in. You really need to affirm that pep talk about honesty.

Unlike you, I have no problem with some scores. My default assumption is that they're all genuine, all sincere, all idiosyncratic, until proven otherwise. The moment evidence pops showing this or that score is fake, that's the moment I believe it. Not before.

I am not selective about it. I don't deem the opinions I disagree with dishonest and the ones I agree with honest. I leave that cheap trick to others.

A 0 out of 10 is a straight political evaluation

So would a 10/10.

The problem with that statement is that much like there's no universal meaning to a 10/10, there's no universal meaning to a 0/0. In your scale, sure, 0/0 don't exist, because no unplayable mess warrants it. Again, there's objective scale from 0 to 10 everybody has agreed to. Just like a 10/10 doesn't mean a perfect game, a 0/0 doesn't necessarily mean the opposite.

I think it's really easy to spot who's being honest in this discussion, between those who start by taking all scores at face value, and those who only take some, the ones they by sheer coincidence happen to agree with.

Ultimately, if you present convincing evidence, I'll abandon my default position.
 
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