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[Virex]

It's not that I don't want it to succeed, is that all of the analysts currently agree that it will "fail" in a PS3+ fashion.

Bad signals over bad signals, and finally the disappointing reveals. The sole facts that you have fanboys in denial is usually a signs of the end like it always was for the losing platform or brands.

I never had an Xbox, always hated it, but for the first time I might switch.



oh really?...

Did I say it outsold the Wii? Grey matter running a bit low? Did I say PS3 outsold the Wii and 360? Do you have any form or reading comprehension or do you lack the basic skills to comprehend putting things together in your head and realise that what I posted referred to 1 specific console and and not all the consoles of that generation. And do you posses any form of math skills to calculate that even 10 more = selling more that the other and indeed means outsell or sell more. Purchase some brain fuel capsules or/and read some books to expand your knowledge. But it does seem that you are not capable of doing that either.

 

[Craig of War]

I don't want any of them to fail their is way more than enough space for the 3 Major Gaming Console Brand to succeed. Why does one have to fail for the other to have success make no sense.

 

[RoadHazard]

So you want a bad Sony generation so you can have a good one next gen? Why not just a good one right away?

Also, PS3 didn't fail. It had a slow start, but then crushed the 360 from year 2-3 and all the way to the end.

 

[Jokerevo]

Err with Ps4 Sony got smarter and it was MS who assumed their 360 subscribers would instantly follow them no matter what.

MS showed incredible complacency by not bridging the 360 to Xone gap.

Ultimately it's all about the games. With gamepass MS have signalled that they don't know how to manage studios and instead want to just rent their stuff.


You should change the title of this post to : I wish MS would take the fight to Sony. Cancellations of things like Scalebound show a lack faith and ambition.

 

[Walter Matthau]

These threads pop up periodically and I think most people understand the premise, but in the end they don't change anyone's decision making. If Sony (or Microsoft or Nintendo, etc.) is selling a console that people want at a price they want it, they are going to buy it. They aren't going to buy something else they want less just to persuade their brand of choice to be more competitive.

 

[reptilex]

Did I say it outsold the Wii? Grey matter running a bit low? Did I say PS3 outsold the Wii and 360? Do you have any form or reading comprehension or do you lack the basic skills to comprehend putting things together in your head and realise that what I posted referred to 1 specific console and and not all the consoles of that generation. And do you posses any form of math skills to calculate that even 10 more = selling more that the other and indeed means outsell or sell more. Purchase some brain fuel capsules or/and read some books to expand your knowledge. But it does seem that you are not capable of doing that either.

Oh no just calling your hypocrisy calling PS3 outselling the X360 at 85,9 vs 87,4 how wow, what an outselling.

 

[Bog]

Good fucking luck with that.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

It's not that I don't want it to succeed, is that all of the analysts currently agree that it will "fail" in a PS3+ fashion.

Bad signals over bad signals, and finally the disappointing reveals. The sole facts that you have fanboys in denial is usually a signs of the end like it always was for the losing platform or brands.

I never had an Xbox, always hated it, but for the first time I might switch.



oh really?...

87.4 million is more than 85.8 million... yes...

 

[LittleBusters]

Err with Ps4 Sony got smarter and it was MS who assumed their 360 subscribers would instantly follow them no matter what.

MS showed incredible complacency by not bridging the 360 to Xone gap.

Ultimately it's all about the games. With gamepass MS have signalled that they don't know how to manage studios and instead want to just rent their stuff.


You should change the title of this post to : I wish MS would take the fight to Sony. Cancellations of things like Scalebound show a lack faith and ambition.

To be fair, Sony f-ed up in 2006 with the $599 thing. Their one and only f-up in 25 years. MS had RROD & 2013 fiasco. So 2-1 for Sony!

 

[Dargor]

Man, how I wish the person that said "human stupidity has no limit" was wrong

 

[RoboFu]

I’m going to spend a lot of money on both. I don’t want either to fail.

 

[bender]

 

[Virex]

Oh no just calling your hypocrisy calling PS3 outselling the X360 at 85,9 vs 87,4 how wow, what an outselling.

And to put it in terms specifically for you

 

[fybyfyby]

You read that right. I want the PS5 to fail miserably like PS3. Why? Because its best for us consumers. Remember when PS3 failed? It was great for us:
- Free Multiplayer (No PS+ needed)
- More and better Exclusives (imo)
- 3 free PS+ games monthly
- More aggressive price cuts(How tf PS4 is still 299$ after 7 years!!!)

If Xbox 360 hadn't been that successful, we wouldn't have gotten all this. With PS4, Sony got cocky and now we need PS+ for MP, we gotten less 1st or 2nd party exclusives this gen , less monthly ps+ games and higher console pricing.

I want the XSX to succeed and I hope that MS puts pressure on Sony with XSX, XSS, Gamepass etc., so we, the consumers, benefit from this friendly competition.

I am still going to buy a PS5 digital edition, but I dont want Sony to have a 2x sales advantage this gen. If sony sells 60-70m PS5s this gen, you could call it a failure. If MS sells the same (XSX+XSS combined) I would call this a success for them. What do you think?

EDIT: What I mean with this thread title: For example Sony selling "only" 80m PS5s (fail in comparison to PS4) and MS selling 70m Xbox Series X/S (success compared to Xbone)

Sony got cocky? What?

 

[DeeDogg_]

Why do u want my precious Sony to fail

 

[reptilex]

And to put it in terms specifically for you

Oh yeahX360 sold 98,3% of what PS4 sold, what an outstanding outselling! Called it now, like I always have, PS fanboys are a predictive sign...

 

[GamerEDM]

And to put it in terms specifically for you

You are acting like a man child lol

 

[J____Av]

I think MS will do much better than last gen. Idc if people call me crazy but I think it will do as well as Xbox 360. And yes, competition rocks. Both consoles will do great.

You are crazy though. EVERYTHING suggests the gap next gen is going to be bigger than the gap this gen. What exactly are you basing Xbox doing better next gen? Their brand value is lower than ever

 

[Virex]

Oh yeahX360 sold 98,3% of what PS4 sold, what an outstanding outselling! Called it now, like I always have, PS fanboys are a predictive sign...

 

[BadBurger]

It's not going to happen. It looks like Microsoft has already bowed out in favor of a cross platform, service-based approach. Like it or not it't probably going to be a Sony future this gen too. You're going to "wake up" with sleep paralysis on launch day hallucinating Kaz Hirai and Jack Tretton standing silently at the foot of your bed - one holding a ball gag and the other the $100 PlayStation Store card you'll need to afford the new cost of a year of PS+ on PS5.

 

[frogger]

I own every playstation (1-4) but never became a fan. So I don't really care about if PS5 succeed or fail. I do want XSX to be successful.

 

[chasimus]

The best scenario would be that Sony keeps being awesome at what it's doing and Microsoft finally pulls it together and stops choking. That way we can get ~130mil PS5s and ~80mil XSXs. This will boost the entire gaming industry. MS just needs to be as competent as Sony. Full stop.

 

[Vawn]

At the very end of the generation, they barely just caught up right at the end, and it was something to jot down like some achievement because that generation lasted longer than any other generation which was typically 5 years at best and 5 years in X360 was still dominating. The point is that Sony got caught off guard, OG Xbox went from selling about 25M vs Sony selling over 100M, to selling on par by the end of the generation, that's a HUGE boost for Xbox and a massive piece of the pie sharing, it made cocky Sony into what they are today.

The point is Xbox fans celebrating the best-selling (by far) Xbox console just "barely" losing to the worst-selling (by far) PlayStation console as some massive victory. You guys are so quick to talk about the massive failure of the PS3 and talk like 360 outsold 3 to 1 or something.

And you're going to say it's because the generation was long? Yet, you conveniently ignore that the 360 launched with a full year head start.

 

[Vawn]

oh really?...

87.4 > 85.8

 

[ColonialRaptor]

This is a bit silly and I guess that's been pointed out.

Rather what I would prefer is for the Xbox Series X to be successful alongside the PS5 as this competition will push Sony to work harder to produce great stuff to keep their consumers coming to them. Just look at what is happening with Intel and AMD at the moment with the hectic competition we're seeing leaps in CPU technology the likes of which haven't been seen in a decade.

Competition between the two can only be good for us consumers. Unfortunately at this point in time I don't see any particular reason to want to buy a Series X any time soon.

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

Putting a hit on OP as we speak.

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

I understand you want the console’s outcome to be more balanced next generation, but is it really Sony’s fault that Microsoft keeps royally screwing up with literally every chance they get especially recently? Of course Sony will try to capitalize on their mistakes.

 

[GamerEDM]

Putting a hit on OP as we speak.

 

[LarknThe4th]

That's pretty sad dude, get away from the internet and go for a walk outside

 

[mili2110]

Sony will 100% "fail" as a result of the higher price tag compared to ps4. In sony standards failing means, not selling 110m playstations like this gen, but maybe selling "only" 90+ million PS5s which is still very good.

I really hope that MS sells more consoles next gen compared to this gen. I mean they sold 50m+ units with "no games" which is kinda good. If they acquire more 1st party studios and invest in exclusive AAA titles, I can see them pushing 60-70m xbox series X/S.

Here in my country, you could regularly get a Xbox One X for around 300-350$ with a couple of games since it launched.
When did we have the last PS4 price cut? Does anyone remember from the top of their head? I dont.

Cocky Sony is bad for us consumers.

 

[Potato Chip PRO]

I just want both to keep each other on edge....

 

[Bryank75]

Sony will 100% "fail" as a result of the higher price tag compared to ps4. In sony standards failing means, not selling 110m playstations like this gen, but maybe selling "only" 90+ million PS5s which is still very good.

I really hope that MS sells more consoles next gen compared to this gen. I mean they sold 50m+ units with "no games" which is kinda good. If they acquire more 1st party studios and invest in exclusive AAA titles, I can see them pushing 60-70m xbox series X/S.

Here in my country, you could regularly get a Xbox One X for around 300-350$ with a couple of games since it launched.
When did we have the last PS4 price cut? Does anyone remember from the top of their head? I dont.

Cocky Sony is bad for us consumers.

What is cocky about them?

 

[reptilex]

I wish we had more psycho-sociological tools in prospective to use the attitude of fanboys in denials, because as much as we all know this is an established sign of future brand stalling/product failure, there's still no rationalisation of it into consumer-to-governance behaviors but this is interesting though old.

 

[mili2110]

What is cocky about them?

We all know that PS4 was profitable a couple of months after launch. So why do we still need to pay 299$ after 7years? Sony sold PS3s for 199$ at the end of that generation, which cost them around 800$ to manufacture at launch in 2006.

How could they get away with that you think? Because Sony had no competition this gen!

 

[Bryank75]

We all know that PS4 was profitable a couple of months after launch. So why do we still need to pay 299$ after 7years? Sony sold PS3s for 199$ at the end of that generation, which cost them around 800$ to manufacture at launch in 2006.

How could they get away with that you think? Because Sony had no competition this gen!

Because people continue to buy it...and seem to think it's worth that.

When demand goes down, so will the price.

I do wish they would sell for 200 too because it would result in a better 'sold through' number for the generation but it's not a huge issue to me.

 

[Three]

We all know that PS4 was profitable a couple of months after launch. So why do we still need to pay 299$ after 7years? Sony sold PS3s for 199$ at the end of that generation, which cost them around 800$ to manufacture at launch in 2006.

How could they get away with that you think? Because Sony had no competition this gen!

That had more to do with Blu ray drives coming down in cost since initial launch, removing PS2 component's and an extra long gen where we got not just a slim but a super slim model too. Sure they had competition but most of the cost reduction there wasn't because of the competition it was BOM dropping fast.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

You read that right. I want the PS5 to fail miserably like PS3. Why? Because its best for us consumers. Remember when PS3 failed? It was great for us:
- Free Multiplayer (No PS+ needed)
- More and better Exclusives (imo)
- 3 free PS+ games monthly
- More aggressive price cuts(How tf PS4 is still 299$ after 7 years!!!)

If Xbox 360 hadn't been that successful, we wouldn't have gotten all this. With PS4, Sony got cocky and now we need PS+ for MP, we gotten less 1st or 2nd party exclusives this gen , less monthly ps+ games and higher console pricing.

I want the XSX to succeed and I hope that MS puts pressure on Sony with XSX, XSS, Gamepass etc., so we, the consumers, benefit from this friendly competition.

I am still going to buy a PS5 digital edition, but I dont want Sony to have a 2x sales advantage this gen. If sony sells 60-70m PS5s this gen, you could call it a failure. If MS sells the same (XSX+XSS combined) I would call this a success for them. What do you think?

EDIT: What I mean with this thread title: For example Sony selling "only" 80m PS5s (fail in comparison to PS4) and MS selling 70m Xbox Series X/S (success compared to Xbone)

 

[StreetsofBeige]

87.4 > 85.8

PS3 sure was super successful. Name one company or industry where you go from about 75% market share and profitable to half that and losing money? lol

Old gen
PS2 150M units
GC 25M units
Xbox OG 25M units

Last gen
Wii 100M units
360 and PS3 about 85M each

PS3 is also Sony's worst console generation for profits.

Sony expects to make most profit from the Games division since 1998 - System Wars - GameSpot

Sony expects to make most profit from the Games division since 1998! $1.22 Billion, nearly half the profits PS2 ever made in just 1 year ! Nintendo made 149 million profit, Sony makes 1.22 billion profit(only gaming division)

www.gamespot.com

 

[Explosive Zombie]

That's a cool graph if you think the generation ended in 2010.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

That's a cool graph if you think the generation ended in 2010.

It gets painful after that, you know.

 

[Gamerguy84]

Im sure there are lots of people that want PS5 to fail. Its not going to happen though. SWWS ensures that it wont.

XSX can succeed as well though without the failure of anyone else.

Price it right and put games out that people really want bad and it will gain a bigger install base. XSS should really help it.

 

[GreatnessRD]

Delete this.

 

[Vawn]

Name one company or industry where you go from about 75% market share and profitable to half that and losing money?

Wii to Wii U?

 

[Texas Pride]

The industry as a whole doesn't need MS to survive. But you take Sony or Nintendo out and it's likely to crash. MS is the one out of the big 3 you never want to have a monopoly.

 

[TLZ]

I think MS will do much better than last gen. Idc if people call me crazy but I think it will do as well as Xbox 360. And yes, competition rocks. Both consoles will do great.

Dude your forearm is bigger than your bicep.

 

[Smoke6]

Fair points, I also think that panic Sony is the best Sony, the quantity and quality of games they were pumping out during the PS3 times are still unparalleled till this day IMO, and now with the huge PS4 success the lazy/arrogant Sony is back yet again.

How and where the fuck is arrogant Sony?
Man I swear y’all are drama queens over a console

 

[Mr Moose]

We all know that PS4 was profitable a couple of months after launch. So why do we still need to pay 299$ after 7years? Sony sold PS3s for 199$ at the end of that generation, which cost them around 800$ to manufacture at launch in 2006.

How could they get away with that you think? Because Sony had no competition this gen!

Wasn't PS4 $399/£350 at launch?

Nintendo reveals Switch price and date

The Japanese firm's new games console will be launched on 3 March and be priced at $299.99 in the US.

www.bbc.co.uk

Nintendo Switch

It will cost $299.99 in the US, £279.99 in the UK and 29,980 yen ($260) in Japan, more than some analysts and gamers had been expecting.

*Checks current price*

Nintendo Switch (Neon Red/Neon blue): Amazon.co.uk: PC & Video Games

Nintendo Switch (Neon Red/Neon blue): Amazon.co.uk: PC & Video Games

www.amazon.co.uk

NINTENDO Switch - Neon Red & Blue

HD 720p; 32 GB hard drive; Built-in WiFi; Undock for portable gaming; Up to 9 hours battery life

www.currys.co.uk

Price: £279.99

Wait a minute... IT'S STILL THE SAME PRICE!

 

[Swipeyowifelike]

Oh no just calling your hypocrisy calling PS3 outselling the X360 at 85,9 vs 87,4 how wow, what an outselling.

Are you sure you know what you're saying?

 

[dano1]

Imo we got the best consumer experience and games with Sonys back against the wall (PS360 gen). Why wouldnt a healthy competition not be good for us? If sony sees PS5 sales not having the same momentum as PS4 or XSX, we will get a price cut rather sooner than later. If XSX is the same Price as PS5, many gamers who dont care about exclusives will buy the more powerful console (like this gen PS4 vs. XBone). It will automatically put pressure on Sony to come out with more or better exclusive games, content etc.

How about they both sell twice as much. The games will come if that happens!!
Why would anyone want any game company to struggle ??
Your headline is a little too much

 

[GonSama]

1. Competition does not benefit the consumer. Sony dominated the entirety of the PS2 generation and it consistently had the best exclusives throughout the lifecycle. Even after it ended, it still got masterpieces like God of War II.

2. Failure does not beget improvement. Microsoft had an entire 7-year generation to correct course and their lack of output is still haunting the launch of their next console. Conversely, Sony's PS3 exclusives that "turned it around" were already in the pipeline before the slow U.S. sales start - they would have released those games regardless of how well Microsoft was doing.

This.