Are you sure about that? My understanding was that they were angling to be the payment processor but kick-back a percentage to the platform holder.
I also have to say I find it funny that people are angry about this, but got all up in Sony's shit about cross-platform play and purchases. The situation is no different to what MS wanted with Minecraft Bedrock; centralize mt on their servers/sales platform meaning that it was on the platform holder to serve purchases that weren't made on their system.
Damn sucks for the Devs that depends on it Epic is to blamed as much as Apple in this.
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To be more precise. the customer pays for all the fees and the publisher take all the savings.Yes. I saw pictures of mtx being offered in two ways: the cheaper way was through Epic's payment processor and the more expensive way through Apple Store. Essentially passing Apple's cut to the customer.
They do something similar in EGS, if the payment you chose carries a fee, that fee is passed to the customer. On the other hand, Steam let's you chose the method and customers pay the same, regardless.
I'm not that familiar with Sony's but I would guess that Sony would be happy if they still got their cut, given Microsoft would be absorbing all costs and fees for charging customers. Most likely not the case.
I'm not a fan of Apple (I don't have one single product from them, never had) but I would support that business model regardless of the manufacturer. They are setting up the ecosystem and they can charge whatever they feel is correct. Epic accepted those terms. If Apple was changing by doubling up the fee, for example, I'd be taking Epic's side because it's a huge change on their ToS.
I don't see any agreement possible beyond Epic submitting they revert to the apple store policies. A special deal letting epic pay less, or not pay at all in favor of some other compensation unrelated to per-transaction fees, would only mean every other big (or ish) company seeks to make a special deal too. Apple won't be willing unless it seems like they can actually lose the case and get forced to allow third party stores/apps to be installed (outside the app store), but at that point even if they reach an agreement some other company will just finish what Epic started so they're in a lose/lose situation if they do make an agreement for the actual app store.I was waiting for this to happen, but how long till they reach an agreement?
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At least in Mexico games are cheaper on steam with the exception of nuuvem.To be more precise. the customer pays for all the fees and the publisher take all the savings.
If you compare the price of games between Epic Game store and Steam/App store, the price is always the same.
The only difference is that the publisher is making more money.
Also this is turning into a rallying cry for other app developers like Microsoft and Facebook to pushing against Apple's policies and joining in on the media campaign against them.
I have a serious question:
Microsoft was sued and almost broken into two when they included Internet Explorer on Windows, why Apple gets a pass to have only their store on iphone?
I have an iPhone but I think it would be best to get an android phone to play games anyway. The battery life while playing games is just too low with an iPhone. The ipad has a good battery but that can’t fit in your pocket.Kids who want to play Fortnite switching to Android, I'd imagine. Additionally, I honestly feel like Epic's strategy of actively trying to poison kids against Apple might work.
Worth adding that in this case Steam eats the cost of all the processing and what not, even in countries where they offer expensive payment methods (like the Steam wallet cards they print and sell or a dude going out to confirm the purchase and get the money and approve of the game activation or something as is available in some countries). So, both consumer and developer/publisher get the same cut regardless of the payment method costs, where Epic just passes it all to the consumer.They do something similar in EGS, if the payment you chose carries a fee, that fee is passed to the customer. On the other hand, Steam let's you chose the method and customers pay the same, regardless.
Worth adding that in this case Steam eats the cost of all the processing and what not, even in countries where they offer expensive payment methods like cash (like the Steam wallet cards they print and sell or a dude going out to confirm the purchase and get the money and approve of the game activation or something as is available in some countries). So, both consumer and developer/publisher get the same cut regardless of the payment method costs, where Epic just passes it all to the consumer.
This I don't know, but from my perspective as a consumer I see that Apple don't give me any choice in the matter, with Windows I can install any browser, even Android & Windows Phone let me sideload any application I want.
As said already these are completely different cases. But either way, you don't buy Apple devices (like me) and that's problem solved, there are alternatives.You had the option to install another browser, with Apple you don't have the option to install another Store.
The real game wars have startedA big war is on the way now. Apple provided a lot of customers to them. If other companies turn against Apple then it may turn like a boomerang, the thing is that Apple is not simply a company, it’s somehow a culture in the tech business etc. I’m very interested in how this will turn out. Who will win and who will lose.
Nah, the only logical explanation is that they did this because they wanted this fight. They knew what would happen.It's Apple's platform, I'm all for them terminating dicking partners. And I'm not even an Apple fan to boot.
Just curious, when Apple cracked down on Epic's hidden direct-to-pay method, did Epic ever respond saying "My bad. Ok, let's keep partnering, but we'll get rid of the direct to pay".
Or did Sweeney hold firm to the bitter end wanting direct payments???
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I have no skin the game as I don't care about Epic or iOS. I have a company iPhone and have downloaded only maybe 10 free apps ever from the iStore. And can't remember the last time I played an Epic game. Probably Shadow Complex for about 40 minutes. lolNah, the only logical explanation is that they did this because they wanted this fight. They knew what would happen.
I can play through an RPG during my toilet timeI like a bit of schadenfreude as much as the next guy. Sorry to hear that your toilet time Fortnite sessions are going to be a lot less fun now though
I can play through an RPG during my toilet time
Analogy...
Just imagine if a company like Samsung wanted a physical space in a brick and mortar store like Best Buy. Now Best Buy offers companies area within their store for a price to keep that area. other companies like Apple and Google agree to pay to keep that space but Samsung, because they have a hype new phone and loyal fans, think they don't need to pay, or instead try to bypass Best Buy getting any of the sale while being in their store because they feel that Best Buy is asking for too much.
So am actually on the side of Apple in this one, greedy, Steve Job turning in his grave bc Apple pen, Apple. Down goes Epic
Heavy doubt that.This will probably hurt Apple more than it will Epic. Fortnite is still really popular.
Analogy...
Just imagine if a company like Samsung wanted a physical space in a brick and mortar store like Best Buy. Now Best Buy offers companies area within their store for a price to keep that area. other companies like Apple and Google agree to pay to keep that space but Samsung, because they have a hype new phone and loyal fans, think they don't need to pay, or instead try to bypass Best Buy getting any of the sale while being in their store because they feel that Best Buy is asking for too much.
So am actually on the side of Apple in this one, greedy, Steve Job turning in his grave bc Apple pen, Apple. Down goes Epic
I don't really care for either company but I think epic picked a fight they can't win
Lots of Apple slurping ITT.
I have a serious question:
Microsoft was sued and almost broken into two when they included Internet Explorer on Windows, why Apple gets a pass to have only their store on iphone?
Thank you Apple! I hope this really hurts Epic and maybe gets them to stop all the scummy moneyhatting of games.
Its still theirs so they have the right to do so. Besides, thats a poor analogy considering space on a digital store does have costs for the store owner.But what if best buy space you want to rent costs best buy nothing? And you have to pay a rent premium for them doing nothing.