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[TGO]

And that's due to Sony! People get on about how much DF "shills" for Microsoft, AMD, Nvidia, etc, but the main thing is they are the companies sending them the hardware! Meanwhile Sony has been silent and thought that a bunch of Japanese YouTubers/vTubers and Tik-Tokers were more important to show the PS5 to.

Like I said, MS posts a jpg of APU die =
DF video on the same day
Sony teardowns the PS5 revealing a shit lot of stuff that was rumoured and unknown including Liquid fucking Metal cooling = Sorry guys it's not that interesting but look the AS: Unity 900p60fps on XSX and XSX SSD Guide
I'm not saying they're shills, but each member obviously has a preference and I think D dark10x is the only unbiased one out the lot, Richard can sometimes take digs on PS related videos like a driveby post on gaf but still tell it as it is.
Alex is just Alex nothing more can be said

 

[SegaSnatcher]

While they have no obligation to drop what they are doing to post a long video on this teardown, I'm quite surprised they have not even posted a short video discussing it.
Check out this video from Dave Lee, posted roughly 6 hours after Sony dropped their video.


You think Dave doesn't have other things he's working on too? This teardown video was the biggest thing to happen in regards to the PS5 in months, and DF essentially ignoring it is odd.

That video and the NX Gamer video proves Alex is full of crap. Obviously many channels have interesting things to say about the tear down.

 

[GiJoint]

I was gonna defend them but it has been several days and they shot out a video in seconds when MS tweeted a picture the Series X's APU
Even the PS5 reveal reaction from DF was a bit slow to come out.
The Teardown Video does show a lot of stuff people like DF would be really interested in so it is a bit odd for them to be literally the only outlet to not even mention it

I wouldn't say they was biased, D dark10x isn't
But they have been a bit slow on the Playstation side of stuff, I'm sure it'll come eventually
I can understand that people want to hear their opinions.
But there are a few others out there that has already done it so is it worth it?

Sony has been slow with their side of things, it’s been trickles of information, you can hardly blame DF for that when Microsoft are being much more upfront. You’re making a big deal out of nothing.

 

[SegaSnatcher]

So the Dram for PS5 SSD. Will that be used as a cache?

 

[Leyasu]

I feel a disturbance in the force, it is like 5 million sony fanboys assploded.

Fucking sad how DF should have been on the starting block to make a video about a teardown video that doesn't give them much to work with according to sony fanboys.

Unless you are twerking for sony, you are worse than a bubonic plague infected, back passage whore.

P.S kiddos, DF do actually have a next gen console in their possession to work with though.........

 

[EverydayBeast]

Everyone went nuts over the PS5 teardown, digital foundary should be congratulating SONY this isn't high school, this is gaming, careers are at stake and they're pissed 99% of tear downs are about hype.

 

[FrankWza]

Sony has been slow with their side of things, it’s been trickles of information, you can hardly blame DF for that when Microsoft are being much more upfront. You’re making a big deal out of nothing.

I keep seeing this written but I’m still not sure why. How are they being upfront?

 

[Lethal01]

Sony has been slow with their side of things, it’s been trickles of information, you can hardly blame DF for that when Microsoft are being much more upfront. You’re making a big deal out of nothing.

I gotta admit, that it's hard not think there's bias. When someone with a channel based around sharing info about game and gaming hardware,
says that a tear down of one of the two consoles as boring.

 

[TGO]

Sony has been slow with their side of things, it’s been trickles of information, you can hardly blame DF for that when Microsoft are being much more upfront. You’re making a big deal out of nothing.

Nah you're right it's not a big deal, there's loads of videos covering it .
Just feels odd not having a DF one

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

There are plenty. The reasons I purposely will not provide examples are that 1) There are plenty of examples if you google for them. 2). Providing examples tends to create spin off console fanboy based derivatives I don’t want to engage in.

I have googled and I find really bad examples that's really a stretch to conclude bias. If that's what you're talking about I feel sad for all the things you've been tricked into.

 

[GiJoint]

I keep seeing this written but I’m still not sure why. How are they being upfront?

You look at their next gen plans right from the start vs Sony, the console was showed sooner, gamepass plans, back compatibility, pricing plans, getting amongst the media with articles and stories, you can go on.

Sony on the other hand? We had a wired article then a logo for months.

 

[Rocco Schiavone]

This thread got me like:


I never knew sony fanboys were that insecure!!

As long as you believe that, that's okay.

 

[rofif]

What there is to comment about? They didn't even had time to react yet.
It's a self explanatory teardown...
Why are people so hard on df

 

[Skifi28]

I don't want to pick any sides, but doing a similar teardown yourself as a tech channel would surely mean that teardowns are interesting enough to worth mentioning? Saying that nothing interestng was shown is fascinating.

 

[GiJoint]

I gotta admit, that it's hard not think there's bias. When someone with a channel based around sharing info about game and gaming hardware,
says that a tear down of one of the two consoles as boring.

Go back and look at their gaming videos comparing Xbox One and PS4 games to make yourself feel better then. Or start with their video on the state of the Xbox one S where Alex tells you that performance of the console overtime has been degrading.

 

[FrankWza]

You look at their next gen plans right from the start vs Sony, the console was showed sooner, gamepass plans, back compatibility, pricing plans, getting amongst the media with articles and stories, you can go on.

Sony on the other hand? We had a wired article then a logo for months.

ah, upfront faster by a week to a few weeks in every example. I thought it meant Xbox was completely transparent and Sony was hiding something. What about series x games? Sony has showed their games. Isn’t that what it all comes down to, games?

 

[GHG]

There's plenty to talk about but they just don't want to.

And that's fine, it's their channel, they get to decide what content they create for it.

 

[FrankWza]

What there is to comment about? They didn't even had time to react yet.
It's a self explanatory teardown...
Why are people so hard on df

If it’s self explanatory then their basis for existing just went down some. Let’s see how many times liquid metal was googled since the teardown. That number is how many people at least one aspect of the teardown was not self explanatory to.

 

[Leyasu]

I don't want to pick any sides, but doing a similar teardown yourself as a tech channel would surely mean that teardowns are interesting enough to worth mentioning? Saying that nothing interestng was shown is fascinating.

What are they supposed to say though?

They can't just plagiarize Sonys video. Although, I am sure that they would have done a vid had they had the PS5 in their possession.

 

[Kenpachii]

Sony doesn't provide DF with hardware or makes any deal with them. Why would they bother even covering it? I see no issue here.

 

[fersnake]

that's weird. everyone wanted this since forever and now that sony give it to us they dont want to talk about it?

 

[Skifi28]

What are they supposed to say though?

They can't just plagiarize Sonys video. Although, I am sure that they would have done a vid had they had the PS5 in their possession.

You can do an entire video just on the liquid thermal solution and what it means, but it's not even interesting? I'm sure they're working on many things, but the not interesting part really gets me for a tech channel.

 

[Deleted member 471617]

Honestly, why would DF cover a video of a tear down of a console that they don't have in their possession and can't tear down themselves? When they get a PS5, they will tear it down but no reason to do so until then.

 

[SegaSnatcher]

Sony doesn't provide DF with hardware or makes any deal with them. Why would they bother even covering it? I see no issue here.

So because Sony isn’t offering DF any freebies they shouldn’t bother covering PS5 content? Sounds like you encourage shill behavior.

 

[FrankWza]

Honestly, why would DF cover a video of a tear down of a console that they don't have in their possession and can't tear down themselves? When they get a PS5, they will tear it down but no reason to do so until then.

They don’t need to. You can make plenty of cases why they should. Or how they could and would benefit themselves and enthusiasts and casuals of the industry by examining it. But calling it uninteresting? Come on

 

[kingpotato]

LTTP, but did they explain why they thought the Sony teardown was boring? Did they say why they thought the faux kit buildup they made was better?

 

[TTOOLL]

While they have no obligation to drop what they are doing to post a long video on this teardown, I'm quite surprised they have not even posted a short video discussing it.
Check out this video from Dave Lee, posted roughly 6 hours after Sony dropped their video.


You think Dave doesn't have other things he's working on too? This teardown video was the biggest thing to happen in regards to the PS5 in months, and DF essentially ignoring it is odd.

That's the point, people are acting like we are demanding too much of a channel about games technology. Their opinion counts.

They have put out many videos reacting to online shows, they didn't present anything new on those videos, just their reaction. Why doesn't this teardown deserve any comments?

 

[MarkMe2525]

DF can make whatever videos they like and anyone complaining that they didn't make this video or that video is an idiot but honestly Alex's post is so full of salty bullshit.

You don't need to get your hands on something to comment on it. Did they wait to play Halo infinite before making a video full of excuses for it? Did they wait for Spiderman remaster before commenting on raytracing in it? Not really.

The teardown revealed things we didn't know like the fact that the storage is in addition to the onboard storage. It revealed that it can take different size SSDs. It revealed it had DRAM for the onboard storage. I've seen them make videos with far less.

Calling the video uninteresting is bullshit and saying they don't make videos of things they don't have their hands on is bullshit but making whatever video they like is their prerogative.

Lol you really took his comment to heart. Tbh, I watched it as well and there was nothing very exciting about it. There was no context or breakdown, it was "here is the gpu, here is the cpu, here is the ssd controller". Again, this is on Sony. I like Sony btw and in the grand scheme of things, non of this will matter. Just my observation and opinion.

 

[Barakov]

So basically DF(or just Alex) is basically saying that they/him are mad that Sony took their content. Honestly, Sony is within their right to do something like this themselves. To be frank, it's in their best interest to do it themselves.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

Lol you really took his comment to heart. You do realize this stuff takes time to put together. It's not their fault MS gives them a heads up and actual info to work with and Sony doesn't. In what world is this the content creators fault?

It is just like with the save transfer. It is not Sony to blame, it is the developers

 

[Darklor01]

I have googled and I find really bad examples that's really a stretch to conclude bias. If that's what you're talking about I feel sad for all the things you've been tricked into.

Please don’t misunderstand. I don’t care enough to read much that much into it. I am saying that if they want to avoid that label, they need to be consistent in everything they do.. for every game.. on both consoles... every time.

That will end this bias label squabble.

 

[Pallas]

He’s not wrong... if DF had an actual PS5 to dissect and examine, they would obviously do a video.

I think it’s just the different approaches that both companies market their consoles. You have Microsoft loaning several to YouTube influencers, gaming journalistic sites, tech reviewers, etc and then Sony who set up a very controlled environment to show off theirs, with Japanese personalities.

But I don’t understand why some of you are angry at DF. Tell Sony to loan DF a PS5 to review and dissect, I don’t doubt DF would say great things about it. PS5 is a nice piece of tech after all.

 

[rofif]

If it’s self explanatory then their basis for existing just went down some. Let’s see how many times liquid metal was googled since the teardown. That number is how many people at least one aspect of the teardown was not self explanatory to.

It's old liquid metal instead of splicing based compound. That's like 3c less. It's not magic and ben on pc forever

 

[MaulerX]

I'm not worried, lol. It's just the logicial thing to do if you're in it to make money and want to grow your site/channel.

Honestly, Sony probably feels they don't need them. Which is why they didn't bother to send one. DF probably knows this too. Maybe that affected their decision on whether or not to make a vid.

Like I said if Sony would have sent them a PS5 there's no doubt DF would have already done multiple videos comparing Size, Acoustics, Backwards Compatible games, Fast Resume capability etc...

If Sony doesn't feel they need them (by not spending anyone a PS5) then that's a totally different situation. A situation where DF has no liability for not reporting on the aforementioned topics.

 

[vkbest]

I feel a disturbance in the force, it is like 5 million sony fanboys assploded.

Fucking sad how DF should have been on the starting block to make a video about a teardown video that doesn't give them much to work with according to sony fanboys.

Unless you are twerking for sony, you are worse than a bubonic plague infected, back passage whore.

P.S kiddos, DF do actually have a next gen console in their possession to work with though.........

DF can’t work with that video because they don’t have the hardware. But they can suggest PS5 being a 2060 super, from Spider-Man footage.

 

[Clintizzle]

I hope you guys don't confuse YouTubers uploading reaction videos on the same day vs DF and other places uploading analysis videos on the same day.

Reaction videos = people talking over news with their own opinions. Easy to do on the same day.

Analysis videos = Marketing partnerships with YouTubers with hands-on time prior to the news being published and then being asked to hold off on uploading the analysis until the details are officially revealed. These videos take time to make and can't always be done on the same day without prior understanding of the news.

 

[FrankWza]

It's old liquid metal instead of splicing based compound. That's like 3c less. It's not magic and ben on pc forever

The point is, it’s never been done on a console and not everyone is familiar with it that isn’t a pc gamer. SoI’m sure a lot of people were wondering about it. That’s a good opportunity for a website that specializes in this kind of thing to explain it to the masses. Either way,it could make for an interesting discussion since, again, it’s never been done on a mass produced electronic before, let alone a console. Definitely not uninteresting.

 

[GreyHand23]

You look at their next gen plans right from the start vs Sony, the console was showed sooner, gamepass plans, back compatibility, pricing plans, getting amongst the media with articles and stories, you can go on.

Sony on the other hand? We had a wired article then a logo for months.

They have to do all that because they lack a fundamental thing that a new next gen console should have. So they're throwing as much other information as possible out there to distract from the lack of games.

 

[BaneIsPain]

Alex is the only problem out of DF but it is not a big deal. His opinion anyway.

I don’t care who did the teardown, I enjoyed it and can’t wait to get hands on PS5.

 

[FrankWza]

I hope you guys don't confuse YouTubers uploading reaction videos on the same day vs DF and other places uploading analysis videos on the same day.

Reaction videos = people talking over news with their own opinions. Easy to do on the same day.

Analysis videos = Marketing partnerships with YouTubers with hands-on time prior to the news being published and then being asked to hold off on uploading the analysis until the details are officially revealed. These videos take time to make and can't always be done on the same day without prior understanding of the news.

fair. But say that instead of calling it uninteresting and making that the reason for not doing one.

 

[DaleinCalgary]

whatever, it's a teardown. You watch it once and never again.

 

[Neko Mimi Mode]

fair. But say that instead of calling it uninteresting and making that the reason for not doing one.

Compared to actually using, testing and reporting back on the next gen hardware they have - I can see why the umpteenth video on a video of a bored Japanese engineer showing a heatsink might be considered uninteresting. It's all relative.

 

[GiJoint]

They have to do all that because they lack a fundamental thing that a new next gen console should have. So they're throwing as much other information as possible out there to distract from the lack of games.

I think they needed to because of Xbox One that was a terrible launch. They didn’t want to repeat that and good on them, the more information the better. Sony was like that with the PS4 too, open, better attitude, didn’t want to repeat the PS3 launch.

 

[Katt”BuckNasty”Johnston]

I don’t really know much about the Alex guy, but it’s a bad take for me. It creates an unnecessary apparent bias. The videos I’ve seen of theirs seem to be pretty balanced and insightful.

Good thing is, if there is an apparent bias, it creates an opportunity for a different non bias tech personality to thrive in their place. Gotta love the free market.

 

[Self_Destructive]

Alex is the only problem out of DF but it is not a big deal. His opinion anyway.

I don’t care who did the teardown, I enjoyed it and can’t wait to get hands on PS5.

Alex is NOT a problem. None of the DF guys are a "problem"... they are individuals with their own opinions. The only "problem" is that certain people try too hard to create controversy where there is none.

 

[YCoCg]

Good thing is, if there is an apparent bias, it creates an opportunity for a different non bias tech personality to thrive in their place. Gotta love the free market.

Yes, this is true, but people on NeoGAF have been saying DF will die any day now ever since the Xbox One X came out.

 

[Kenpachii]

So because Sony isn’t offering DF any freebies they shouldn’t bother covering PS5 content? Sounds like you encourage shill behavior.

What freebee's. They are a company. Sony didn't give them a box to work with, microsoft did. It's not that hard.

They will probably spend time on it when they got one in there hands and can report on it, after they are done with the xbox series X. If sony wanted this changed they should have contacted them. it's a absolute failure of marketing 101 by sony that they wouldn't go out actively to youtubers and other influencers to get there shit moving forwards.

DF isn't there to be fair to anybody that's just console warriors mentality. U send the products and make the deals or get ignored.

From a business point of view the guy is totally right, microsoft first and everything else comes as filler whenever they got time.

 

[Self_Destructive]

What freebee's. They are a company. Sony didn't give them a box to work with, microsoft did. It's not that hard.

They will probably spend time on it when they got one in there hands and can report on it, after they are done with the xbox series X. If sony wanted this changed they should have contacted them. it's a absolute failure of marketing 101 by sony that they wouldn't go out actively to youtubers and other influencers to get there shit moving forwards.

DF isn't there to be fair to anybody that's just console warriors mentality. U send the products and make the deals or get ignored.

From a business point of view the guy is totally right, microsoft first sony maybe second if they got time or interest.

No... you don't understand... Digital Foundry OWES Playstation fans videos covering the PS5. For every one that they make for Xbox.. they MUST make one for Playstation.. otherwise they are biased shills.

 

[ZehDon]

This thread is something else.

So, the green team invited Digital Foundry and others out to their campus to show off the Xbox Series X in person, complete with a modified version of the hardware for them to personally re-assemble to understand how it comes together. They also showed off the Xbox Series S months before it was ever officially revealed, and provided technical experts from the team that designed both consoles to answer any questions they had about either hardware, and the thinking behind them. They detailed the hardware, the specs, the design methodology, its architecture, explained the shape of the console, and have largely been the most transparent any console manufacturer has ever been about their unreleased hardware. Microsoft then sent out pre-release hardware to Digital Foundry and others, allowing them to report out on their experience with the console, including full tech breakdowns on performance - though limited to backwards compatibility titles. As a result, Digital Foundry have had the necessary information to release a wealth of videos and content around the new Xbox consoles for the passed six months or so. The end result is that Digital Foundry and others have pre-release hardware of the new Xbox nearly six weeks before launch, and they're keen to talk about it and discuss it - both out of the interest of their followers, and because its exclusive content that no one else can produce.

In the blue camp, seemingly in response to Microsoft's work, Sony uploaded a 7 minute video to YouTube in which a Sony employees un-seats some of the PS5 hardware and labels some of the components.

SonyGAF's response: "Digital Foundry are clearly biased; why aren't they covering the PS5 to the same degree as the Xbox? Where's the twenty minute videos on the PS5? Fucking beta-cuck soy-shills!"

XboxGAF's response:

My response: "Man, 60 FPS last-gen games looks great! Maybe I should be buying up Xbox One games now while they're cheap?"

 

[Self_Destructive]

This thread is something else.

So, the green team invited Digital Foundry and others out to their campus to show off the Xbox Series X in person, complete with a modified version of the hardware for them to personally re-assemble to understand how it comes together. They also showed off the Xbox Series S months before it was ever officially revealed, and provided technical experts from the team that designed both consoles to answer any questions they had about either hardware, and the thinking behind them. They detailed the hardware, the specs, the design methodology, its architecture, explained the shape of the console, and have largely been the most transparent any console manufacturer has ever been about their unreleased hardware. Microsoft then sent out pre-release hardware to Digital Foundry and others, allowing them to report out on their experience with the console, including full tech breakdowns on performance - though limited to backwards compatibility titles. As a result, Digital Foundry have had the necessary information to release a wealth of videos and content around the new Xbox consoles for the passed six months or so. The end result is that Digital Foundry and others have pre-release hardware of the new Xbox nearly six weeks before launch, and they're keen to talk about it and discuss it - both out of the interest of their followers, and because its exclusive content that no one else can produce.

In the blue camp, seemingly in response to Microsoft's work, Sony uploaded a 7 minute video to YouTube in which a Sony employees un-seats some of the PS5 hardware and labels some of the components.

SonyGAF's response: "Digital Foundry are clearly biased; why aren't they covering the PS5 to the same degree as the Xbox? Where's the twenty minute videos on the PS5? Fucking beta-cuck soy-shills!"

XboxGAF's response:

My response: "Man, 60 FPS last-gen games looks great! Maybe I should be buying up Xbox One games now while they're cheap?"

Indeed. Perhaps the people keen on knowing more about Sony's PS5 and other tech enthusiasts opinions on the hardware, should be messaging Sony to get the hardware out there to these outlets so they can do independent testing and create the content they wish to see.