Stuart360
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Oh you mean the joke banter thread?, is this the 'proof'Pay a visit to "Xbox is Power king" thread then pick and choose from the dozen there.
Oh boy lol.
Oh you mean the joke banter thread?, is this the 'proof'Pay a visit to "Xbox is Power king" thread then pick and choose from the dozen there.
stalking you? No, just that your “high quality” posts just jump off of the page.
I am amazed that your posts fly under the mods radar.
See, this is just sad.
If I were you, I would demand Sony to show power advantage if they'd bragged about "The Most Powerful Console in the World". Instead, you continuously choose to defend MS like this.
Where's my resolution advantage? None.
Where's my graphics advantage? None.
Ok, where's my fps advantage? At least this should be better on the "most powerful console", right?
Nope. It's actually better on the "weaker" console.
Open your eyes.
Oh you mean the joke banter thread?, is this the 'proof'
Oh boy lol.
Who?, which posters?. The only Xbox fan i have seen say anything like that over the last few months was DynamiteKid. If i have mssed people then i'm mistaken.
Fanboys on Twitter dont count, and dont speak for a whole fanbase.
Certain people see Xbot boogeymen in their soup.
Stuart360 said:Look as i have said for months now, all this talk is simply that, talk. The multiplatform game comparisons at launch will show the true picture.
You have a monster PC Bo, mail it to me if you arent going to game on it...
Lol your posts in this thread sum up the sad state of the gaming forum nowadays.Maybe because I'm not aggressive and not antagonizing anyone like you are doing now? Go read again and see how I approach things, and how others getaway while throwing direct insults and attacks towards me.
If you're angry, try venting somewhere else. I'm not your problem here, nor I even talked to you or insult you in a way.
Is your name Xbox by any chance? If not, toughen up and stop crying.
Hope MS at least pay you because see this obsessive defence starts to be really worrying.Even in light of DF explicitly stating the GDK is in its infancy, widespread reports over the last 9 months of devkits shipping out late, and developers using PC, do they still try to peg this to Microsoft lying and some kind of hardware issue.
It's software kiddos, you're acting like you have amnesia and don't clearly understand this or remember these things, I'm out. Once the software and familiarity catches up performance will transition, it's not a question of if but rather when.
And what exactly is wrong with what i stated?. Waiting for the comparisons, how ridiculous of me.This was you a few months back:
If Microsoft don't use just the TFLOPS to compare Xbox Series X GPU to the Xbox One & Xbox One X why is everyone else using it to compare it to PS5 ?
They only claim a 4-6X raw GPU advantage over Xbox One while having 9X TFLOPS advantage , The triangles rate advantage is the part that bring it down to 4 -6X the raw GPU output & PS5 actually has the advantage in triangle & pixel fill rate so why do people keep using the Xbox Series X GPU...www.neogaf.com
Now your tune has changed, these comparisons at launch are now, inexplicably, not valid anymore. Wait for the tools he says!! Come on man the game is up. A bit more reflection from you would help.
Lol your posts in this thread sum up the sad state of the gaming forum nowadays.
N4G levels of fanboyism on display by both “teams” I am a bit apprehensive of spamming the ignore button. I get the impression that I will end up with a front page that never moves.
Who?, which posters?. The only Xbox fan i have seen say anything like that over the last few months was DynamiteKid. If i have mssed people then i'm mistaken.
Fanboys on Twitter dont count, and dont speak for a whole fanbase.
Its like that Valhalla thread about PS5 being upscaled, and then we got the WatachDogs thread later saying the same thing about XSX, and that thread was full of Sony fanboys saying shit like 'lol where are the Xbox fanboys now lolz!', 'All the people talking shit in the Valhall thread, they have dissapeared', 'talk about egg on your face, all the people in the Valhalla thread lol', etc. I went in the Valhalla thread after that, and i didnt see one 'Xbot' taking the piss out of PS5, not one.
Certain people see Xbot boogeymen in their soup.
So you cant name them then. And i'll say again, fanboys on fucking twitter dont speak for every single Xbox fanboy. They are not a hive mind.You must have only been on this forum 2 minutes if you think its ONE person or just being ignorant for the sake of it.
Shouldn't you be demanding for better perf as it's touted as the "Most Power Console in the World" though? Why settle for VRR as the solution for poor perf? VRR is great and I demand Sony enable this ASAP as it's listed in their specs sheet.
Also, it's just sad when you have to grasp at straws and proclaim 0.01fps as any meaningful difference, really.
Well what he says will probably right, in terms of sales with casuals, parents for their kids, etc. The question is how many do you need to sell for it to be classed as 'lapped up'.
I think XSX will sell better than XSS through most of the year, but i think XSS will sell gangbusters at Christmas time (not this year obviously, before someone tries to twist what i said).
You said: "runs better at 60hz on Xbox" like that 0.01fps is some kind of a meaningful difference.Who said it was meaningful? Not me.
And what exactly is wrong with what i stated?. Waiting for the comparisons, how ridiculous of me.
And where have i said that the comparisons dont count anyway?. I'm saying people are being disingenous with the comparisons so far, which many are.
EDIT. Also how pathetic going back months to try and find 'dirt' on me, when in reality what i said was the correct and astute thing to do. When we have a 4000 page thread, full of absolute bollocks and circle jerking, and you dare try and and do that.
For those that need excuses, please pick and choose from the list below
Enjoy!
- Covid impacted Xbox devs more than Sony's
- Tools are more mature on PS5
- Devs are lazy
- Game engine doesn't scale well to Xbox
- Games are scaled from PS4
- We'll see a massive difference starting E3 2021
What hasnt gone my way?, what excuses are you talking about?. Are you doing the whole 'Xbots are a hive mind, what one says, they all say' crap again. Quote ME, what ecuses have I used?It's about being accountable for what you've said in the past. Now there is every flimsy excuse under the sun because it hasnt gone the way you wanted
The great tool war as begun, brace yourselves!
They keep delaying the game. They have probably struggled way more than the other devs struggled to get games out for launch.The performance of the PS5 is shockingly amazing, but the current games that have been tested: AC, DMC5, COD are all pretty rubbish tbh(no offence), the most important comparison will be coming up next month: Cyberpunk 2077, I feel that’s a game where the performance gains would make a real difference... so far the PS5 has won the battle, but can it win the war?! Only time will tell.
luckily I got one of those big bois that start with a 3 and end with an 80 at the end. 120hz? c'mon, 144 or bustGood for you, sport
Acceptance is always best!
Apparently the reason behind the delay was the performance of the base consoles. I’m pretty confident that they won’t delay the game again.They keep delaying the game. They have probably struggled way more than the other devs struggled to get games out for launch.
Keep expectations in check for Cyberpunk. And dont forget a 'proper' next gen version is coming down the line.
You said: "runs better at 60hz on Xbox" like that 0.01fps is some kind of a meaningful difference.
Oh wow. Gotcha. The funny thing is probably series X will end to run better on multiplat in this way in the future , maybe a bit more and it will entertaining to see how many people will fight for such minuscule difference just to proclaim the victory of their favourite piece of plastic (as today).Doesn't change the fact it runs better
ON DMC5 XSX is not using V-sync, so if you don't have a VRR TV capable you'll face tearing. PS5's version was using V-Sync which is taxing in FPS. Even with that said, PS5 has the overall advantage over all shown games so far.
XSX is using VRR, so it's offloading that computation on the TV. Go watch the DF video again. VRR is external with no FPS penalty but requires compatible TV, V-Sync is done internally and hits the FPS.
"Win"Xbox had the advantage in three of four modes, I'd say that is a definite win for Xbox.
Haven't you seen yet? Here a small true, real-time example from an unoptimized gameplay demo according to Epic Games (done in like 7 months):
More like a stress test, and that's not the full potential. Many expected XSX to at least win now, with games usually utilizing single threaded CPU's (XSX 3.8GHz) before going for multi-threaded.
Gonna enjoy the salt for a change after enjoying sweet PS5 games.
They spent the large majority of the time building a reusable games engine. The environment assets are all from their high quality asset library... The artists only had to place them and build a character, then do the demo.Well obviously its not going to take 7 months for every 9mins of gameplay, but at the same time its obvious that say a 15-20 hour game, at this level, is probably way beyond whats possible.
The performance of the PS5 is shockingly amazing, but the current games that have been tested: AC, DMC5, COD are all pretty rubbish tbh(no offence), the most important comparison will be coming up next month: Cyberpunk 2077, I feel that’s a game where the performance gains would make a real difference... so far the PS5 has won the battle, but can it win the war?! Only time will tell.
See this demo is a little deceiving, since they picked they environment very carefully
Apparently some the tech doesn't do foliageall that well detail wise
Hence why it's all sand
Still looks great, but let's see
BC on ps6 will be fine once CP finally releases lolCyberpunk will run in backwards compatibility mode for months. Maybe Xbox can win that one as they use software emulation instead of hardware
How? What exactly you think it does VRR?That isn't 60hz mode.
If you can run 120hz you probably have VRR which would make Xbox the best version still
So on PS5:
-Best games in the industry (exclusives).
-Best version of 3rd party games on consoles, both resolution and framerates.
-Best controller.
-Best audio.
-Only console to offer VR.
-Free to play games are free.
-PS Now doesn't require PS Plus to play MP.
-600+ more games on PS Now vs GamePass.
Pretty easy win.
How? What exactly you think it does VRR?
It doesn't eliminate stuttering.I don't need to think about what it does, I'm enjoying it now. It matches GPU output to panel refresh, eliminating stuttering and tearing.
I don't support the 120Hz modes in games too.Sounds good ! Might buy now for series . 60 frames .
didn’t like 120 Hz, looked like soap opera in Dirt 5, a bit like the Hobbit movies at 45 frames
That isn't 60hz mode.
Doesn't change the fact it runs better
Up to 20% better on PS5
That isn't 60hz mode.
If you can run 120hz you probably have VRR which would make Xbox the best version still
If this isn't the most congratulations you played yourself sequence i don't know what is. I can't fathom what you expected the 60fps mode was going to show. It is literally in an unnoticeable difference, a statistical blip.60fps mode in a bar chart perspective.
Soo much better. Really impressive 0.01fps win there.
Same as in Valhalla. PS5 pops a bit more.....Faster streaming of textures, high pixel fillrate, a bigger ram pool unsegregated for consistent bandwidth for volumetrics, alpha et al.....Note the delay on that pink smoke on XSX...It seems the same to me. ps5 just have more lighting on the foliage but probably the variable weather condition is just the reason.
If Valhalla was better on XBOX, that video and others would have been published days ago.....I saw these guys post a million Gears 5 videos, a last gen game with no appreciable difference in side by side visuals even over the XBONEX version. They posted a million Ori videos...All old games, a bunch of wii ports, but remember when they said they had not time to cover Miles Morales or were not interested in doing a video on the PS5 breakdown because Sony has shown nothing....It's all clear as day...What a boring sunday for those of us who couldn't get a nextgen console, yet.
Not a single PS5 vs Series X youtube video!
And DF won't post their Valhalla comparison. Probably waiting for an Xbox patch or something?
They did in Mark Cerny's "Road to PS5" video.......Legend says, that seven years later from now, we will still be learning and seeing the results encapsulated in games, based on the words he spoke there......The tide that lifts all boats, geometry engine, cache scrubbers, SSD speed, 12 gates IO.....Sound Engine, Haptic Feedback.....You will continue to see games that bring all of this out and you will go back to the video and realize it was all foretold....I own a Series X, but Sony are wizards with the performance they’ve delivered with the PS5. I hope that one day they provide a deeper explanation of the engineering that went into this console so we can know how it delivers this performance.
VRR does not replace frames. Higher frames is always better, always....If you are playing SF in 120 mode, VRR will not make you win a game, the PS5 player will always have the controller response advantage since it's more performant in the 120Hz mode....The other funny thing about this is the resident Sony guys talking up that the amount of people with VRR capable displays is "miniscule" therefore it doesn't matter. Then on the same token they're taking these somewhat stable 120hz modes as a win for a TV technology they're basically saying no one has including them, and then for 2/3 of the titles tested ignoring that the Xbox is actually performing better in the respective 60hz 4K modes which is the overwhelming majority application for people here and at large, and will be for years.
I just find that a bit funny.
It certainly did and to think, it was the PS5 that was behind......"Sony is silent because they are not ready, RE8 can barely run 1080p 30fps, MS is the king of software, they invented Direct X, Direct X ultimate only on XBOX, the new API has features Sony doesn't have, does PS5 even do Direct ML, it doesn't have that, VRR and VRS are gamechangers, Sony doesn't have them, Halo is the only next gen looking game we've seen so far, Series X will be 4k native 60fps with hardware raytracing, PS5 will be 1440p at best with worse raytracing due to the more powerful hardware raytracing on XBOX......The release of Xbox came as a huge surprise to MS.
The software giant which created Direct X and has a new API that smoothlines PC, Mobile and Console development, making it virtually seamless...."That was their pitch anyway" is way behind on that promise and we have to wait.....How long must we wait another 7 years? MS also said current gen would not affect their next gen projects "Halo Inifinite"....We all know, what MS says vs the reality of things.....XBONEX had this direct X chip that would be a gamechanger, Leadbetter parroted that like his life depended on it.....I have never seen so much hype built on fodder dreams, time after time failures, no delivery....Powah of the cloud, kinect transformations, gamepass is a gamechanger.....Titanfall, Evolve, Anthem, Sea of Thieves, Crackdown, Halo Infinite......It just all falls flat.....Too many promises, too much hype, it's like someone hyping you for a prime stake for dinner only to give you a salted cracker with no water to wash that down....And shouldn't Microsoft of all companies have the software side in order by the time they release their 500 dollar product to the public? They should at least put a disclaimer on the box then. "Games and TOOLS are coming later."
The only problem now, is that there is no way to relinquish extra power to devs, there is no kinect to discontinue, neither is there an Snap app to discontinue and give that power back to devs. The slower IO, the split ram pool with a much slower second pool can't be fixed unless there is a new box. They need to clock their CPU higher because their OS needs more CPU power to handle their BC and other features, not talking all the extra CPU overhead their API has for virtually any render or service launch/in memory....So combined all of this and it's not really an efficient machine, more bottlenecks, more anchors all around. So a few more CU's, clocked lower does not begin to tell you half the story....PS systems will always have more CPU cycles available because of a more streamlined OS, too many layer's on MS's OS. 4A games alluded to it in the PS4 days....Yet the CPU power is even more potent on the PS5 now because the speed of the IO decreases the CPU grunt needed in PS5 for many functions at runtime, the API is low level, the cache scrubbers and geometry engine are going to speed up render calls and the single pool of memory can be read into in and out with the fast IO much more speed and efficiency.....This was a console built to run games as fast as possible with high end textures at 4k resolution....So far from what've we've seen PS5's textures, lighting etc pops up much more and forget about all the FUD talk about bandwidth, the biggest strain on a GPU and CPU is running high frames at lower resolutions.....PS5 at 1080p 120hz is easily at pole position, but it should have been known this would be so months ago...It's all in Cerny's "Road to PS5" breakdown....We heard these same things from Microsoft about immature tools at the launch of XBONE. It all turned out to be BS.
It will be the same this time around.
That's certainly more immersive...Xbox has more smoke effects coming from it's internal fan. This round is a draw.
The versions would be the same.....The update numbers on PS vs Xbox are always different....These are technically different platforms, so the number schemes would vary.....The patch notes says it all, common bug fixes would be done on both systems. If one system has an issue and the other does not, it would only be patched on one system...This is how things have been forever...The versions tested were 1.004.000 on PS5 and 1.0.3.0 on Xbox Series X|S
Seems fair.
Maybe your 120Hz mode is not true 120hz. Some Tv's have a 120hz interpolation mode....Not the same as the real thing...Maybe I need to disable some weird motion interpretations in the TV, but I didn’t like what I saw.
Wait for the tools, just like you had to wait for E3's all of last gen....I have never seen such denial in a gaming forum, unbelievable.
What happens when we’re a year or 2 in and PS5 is still beating Series X in performance? What’s it gonna be then?
PC might be the best way to play gamepass atm......With all these RDNA 2 cards hitting in two days combined with all these gaming leading Ryzen processors in tow.....4k 60hz at the best settings and with raytracing is definitely a possibility....So I imagine your next Forza and Halo Infinite will look better and play much more consistently on PC...So XSX got stomped again. PS5 is the best place to play the best exclusives and the best for of multiplats. XSX is the best place to play Gamepass, I guess.
If they knew they were behind and weren't very well prepared then why all the chest beating? If anything that's a time when you should try to be humble.