Stuart360
Member
Oh you mean the joke banter thread?, is this the 'proof'
Oh boy lol.
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Oh boy lol.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Maybe because I'm not aggressive and not antagonizing anyone like you are doing now? Go read again and see how I approach things, and how others getaway while throwing direct insults and attacks towards me.
If you're angry, try venting somewhere else. I'm not your problem here, nor I even talked to you or insult you in a way.
Is your name Xbox by any chance?
If not, toughen up and stop crying.
Garani
Member
See, this is just sad.
If I were you, I would demand Sony to show power advantage if they'd bragged about "The Most Powerful Console in the World". Instead, you continuously choose to defend MS like this.
Where's my resolution advantage? None.
Where's my graphics advantage? None.
Ok, where's my fps advantage? At least this should be better on the "most powerful console", right?
Nope. It's actually better on the "weaker" console.
Open your eyes.
Not just that. VRR is available only on very high end and latest TVs. I have a perfectly good and low end Samsung 4k TV that is 5 years old: it doesn't have VRR and I will never will buy a new TV unless my current one breaks. If I have to buy a new TV today I won't got for top of the line, like getting a LG 55UN73006LA for €400, and it doesn't have VRR. Heck, it doesn't even have Game Mode
. So no VRR for me in the forseeable future. And I don't think that I am anything special out there.And anyhow Sony already said that it will patch in VRR in PS5's OS in the near future. So the point is moot: PS5 will have VRR actived via software soon enough. Mean while it's performing without the need for this feature.
Aceofspades
Banned
No, I mean the users there. You can easily check some of their posts in the speculation thread. How they try their best to overinflate the power difference.
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Coulomb_Barrier
Member
This was you a few months back:
Stuart360 said:
If Microsoft don't use just the TFLOPS to compare Xbox Series X GPU to the Xbox One & Xbox One X why is everyone else using it to compare it to PS5 ?
They only claim a 4-6X raw GPU advantage over Xbox One while having 9X TFLOPS advantage , The triangles rate advantage is the part that bring it down to 4 -6X the raw GPU output & PS5 actually has the advantage in triangle & pixel fill rate so why do people keep using the Xbox Series X GPU...
Now your tune has changed, these comparisons at launch are now, inexplicably, not valid anymore. Wait for the tools he says!! Come on man the game is up. A bit more reflection from you would help.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
You have a monster PC Bo, mail it to me if you arent going to game on it...
I can't play outside PlayStation, the spirit of Mark Cerny haunts my PC.
Leyasu
Banned
Lol your posts in this thread sum up the sad state of the gaming forum nowadays.Maybe because I'm not aggressive and not antagonizing anyone like you are doing now? Go read again and see how I approach things, and how others getaway while throwing direct insults and attacks towards me.
If you're angry, try venting somewhere else. I'm not your problem here, nor I even talked to you or insult you in a way.
Is your name Xbox by any chance?
N4G levels of fanboyism on display by both “teams” I am a bit apprehensive of spamming the ignore button. I get the impression that I will end up with a front page that never moves.
assurdum
Banned
Hope MS at least pay you because see this obsessive defence starts to be really worrying.
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Stuart360
Member
And what exactly is wrong with what i stated?. Waiting for the comparisons, how ridiculous of me.This was you a few months back:
If Microsoft don't use just the TFLOPS to compare Xbox Series X GPU to the Xbox One & Xbox One X why is everyone else using it to compare it to PS5 ?
They only claim a 4-6X raw GPU advantage over Xbox One while having 9X TFLOPS advantage , The triangles rate advantage is the part that bring it down to 4 -6X the raw GPU output & PS5 actually has the advantage in triangle & pixel fill rate so why do people keep using the Xbox Series X GPU...www.neogaf.com
Now your tune has changed, these comparisons at launch are now, inexplicably, not valid anymore. Wait for the tools he says!! Come on man the game is up. A bit more reflection from you would help.
And where have i said that the comparisons dont count anyway?. I'm saying people are being disingenous with the comparisons so far, which many are.
EDIT. Also how pathetic going back months to try and find 'dirt' on me, when in reality what i said was the correct and astute thing to do. When we have a 4000 page thread, full of absolute bollocks and circle jerking, and you dare try and and do that.
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Bo_Hazem
Banned
You must have only been on this forum 2 minutes if you think its ONE person or just being ignorant for the sake of it.
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Stuart360
Member
So you cant name them then. And i'll say again, fanboys on fucking twitter dont speak for every single Xbox fanboy. They are not a hive mind.You must have only been on this forum 2 minutes if you think its ONE person or just being ignorant for the sake of it.
Riky
$MSFT
Who said it was meaningful? Not me.
I'm sure these games will be patched, but like with Gun and Tony Hawk's on 360 plus Battlefield 4 and COD Ghosts on Xbox One, you can't judge a console on cross gen launch titles. I wouldn't say some drops in frames is "poor" performance at all, but luckily Xbox has a feature to sort it out.
FunkMiller
Gold Member
Okay... whereas I think the XSS is one of those no man’s land products that’s created to please everyone, and therefore pleases no one. I don‘t expect it to do well up against both Ps5 SKUs. Certainly not in the long run.
Md Ray
Member
You said: "runs better at 60hz on Xbox" like that 0.01fps is some kind of a meaningful difference.
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Coulomb_Barrier
Member
And what exactly is wrong with what i stated?. Waiting for the comparisons, how ridiculous of me.
And where have i said that the comparisons dont count anyway?. I'm saying people are being disingenous with the comparisons so far, which many are.
EDIT. Also how pathetic going back months to try and find 'dirt' on me, when in reality what i said was the correct and astute thing to do. When we have a 4000 page thread, full of absolute bollocks and circle jerking, and you dare try and and do that.
It's about being accountable for what you've said in the past. Now there is every flimsy excuse under the sun because it hasnt gone the way you wanted
Ha ha nice one.
Add:
- Sony has a marketing deal with the game
- Wait for the Xbox drivers
Stuart360
Member
What hasnt gone my way?, what excuses are you talking about?. Are you doing the whole 'Xbots are a hive mind, what one says, they all say' crap again. Quote ME, what ecuses have I used?It's about being accountable for what you've said in the past. Now there is every flimsy excuse under the sun because it hasnt gone the way you wanted
Hawking Radiation
Member
waquzy
Member
The performance of the PS5 is shockingly amazing, but the current games that have been tested: AC, DMC5, COD are all pretty rubbish tbh(no offence), the most important comparison will be coming up next month: Cyberpunk 2077, I feel that’s a game where the performance gains would make a real difference... so far the PS5 has won the battle, but can it win the war?! Only time will tell.
Stuart360
Member
They keep delaying the game. They have probably struggled way more than the other devs struggled to get games out for launch.
Keep expectations in check for Cyberpunk. And dont forget a 'proper' next gen version is coming down the line.
alucard0712_rus
Member
PS5:
- much higher GPU clocks (with increased latency)
- faster SSD
- I/O offloaded to special hardware from CPU
- Audio offloaded to special hardware from CPU
- 16gb of unified memory
- AMD SmartShift
- easer to develop for
is enough to compensate:
Xbox
- more CUs (56 vs 36)
- higher CPU clock (3.6/3.8 vs 3.5/3.5)
- higher bandwidth for 10gb (560gb/s vs 448 for 16gb)
We need something like Forza Horizon to really see what Xbox is capable of. Then compare it to PC version.
- much higher GPU clocks (with increased latency)
- faster SSD
- I/O offloaded to special hardware from CPU
- Audio offloaded to special hardware from CPU
- 16gb of unified memory
- AMD SmartShift
- easer to develop for
is enough to compensate:
Xbox
- more CUs (56 vs 36)
- higher CPU clock (3.6/3.8 vs 3.5/3.5)
- higher bandwidth for 10gb (560gb/s vs 448 for 16gb)
We need something like Forza Horizon to really see what Xbox is capable of. Then compare it to PC version.
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It's like people don't learn. Hardware isn't everything. Also Teraflops means absolutely nothing if you are bottlenecked by other parts. Also your Software API makes a lot of difference.
That being said, both Xbox and PlayStation are close and it's great thing. In these comparison videos, Xbox is doing well. Not sure what is triggering Xbox fanboys that they are running around from thread to thread defending Xbox and laying the blame on developers. What are you people expecting from Xbox?
That being said, both Xbox and PlayStation are close and it's great thing. In these comparison videos, Xbox is doing well. Not sure what is triggering Xbox fanboys that they are running around from thread to thread defending Xbox and laying the blame on developers. What are you people expecting from Xbox?
Starfield
Member
luckily I got one of those big bois that start with a 3 and end with an 80 at the end. 120hz? c'mon, 144 or bustGood for you, sport
Acceptance is always best!
waquzy
Member
Apparently the reason behind the delay was the performance of the base consoles. I’m pretty confident that they won’t delay the game again.
I know they are gonna release the next gen version in 2021, however most people will just get the current gen game as it is arguably the biggest title since Red Dead Redemption 2.
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Riky
$MSFT
assurdum
Banned
Oh wow. Gotcha. The funny thing is probably series X will end to run better on multiplat in this way in the future , maybe a bit more and it will entertaining to see how many people will fight for such minuscule difference just to proclaim the victory of their favourite piece of plastic (as today).Doesn't change the fact it runs better
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Riky
$MSFT
Xbox had the advantage in three of four modes, I'd say that is a definite win for Xbox.
Riky
$MSFT
They can't measure VRR on the frame time graphs.
assurdum
Banned
"Win"
INC
Member
Haven't you seen yet? Here a small true, real-time example from an unoptimized gameplay demo according to Epic Games (done in like 7 months):
More like a stress test, and that's not the full potential. Many expected XSX to at least win now, with games usually utilizing single threaded CPU's (XSX 3.8GHz) before going for multi-threaded.
Gonna enjoy the salt for a change after enjoying sweet PS5 games.
See this demo is a little deceiving, since they picked they environment very carefully
Apparently some the tech doesn't do foliageall that well detail wise
Hence why it's all sand
Still looks great, but let's see
alabtrosMyster
Banned
They spent the large majority of the time building a reusable games engine. The environment assets are all from their high quality asset library... The artists only had to place them and build a character, then do the demo.
Doing a game like this seems possible, in a reasonable amount of time, for a small indie studio using the engine when it's released. Big studios will have the time and resources to add more custom everything.
MisterXDTV
Member
Cyberpunk will run in backwards compatibility mode for months. Maybe Xbox can win that one as they use software emulation instead of hardware
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Md Ray
Member
INC
Member
BC on ps6 will be fine once CP finally releases lol
Riky
$MSFT
Ok.
That isn't 60hz mode.
If you can run 120hz you probably have VRR which would make Xbox the best version still
assurdum
Banned
How? What exactly you think it does VRR?That isn't 60hz mode.
If you can run 120hz you probably have VRR which would make Xbox the best version still
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Coolwhhip
Neophyte
And that's how you crush the competition. Sony walks the walk not just talk the talk.
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Riky
$MSFT
I don't need to think about what it does, I'm enjoying it now. It matches GPU output to panel refresh, eliminating stuttering and tearing.
assurdum
Banned
It doesn't eliminate stuttering.
ethomaz
Banned
I don't support the 120Hz modes in games too.Sounds good ! Might buy now for series . 60 frames .
didn’t like 120 Hz, looked like soap opera in Dirt 5, a bit like the Hobbit movies at 45 frames
It is too early and the hardware is not there to run 120Hz.
It is just a marketing too.
Devs could use their time to work in better things.
Md Ray
Member
Doesn't change the fact it runs better
60fps mode in a bar chart perspective.
Soo much better. Really impressive 0.01fps win there.
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chemical boy
Member
Up to 20% better on PS5
In the forum of the extreme left resetera they have to be crying
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FranXico
Member
I don't understand why are some people upset at games running nearly the same on both consoles. It bodes well for this generation. You can choose which games you want to play, and where you'll play them, knowing nobody will get shafted.
I hoped for this for a long time, and it's good to see it unfolding this way.
I hoped for this for a long time, and it's good to see it unfolding this way.
Tripolygon
Banned
That isn't 60hz mode.
If you can run 120hz you probably have VRR which would make Xbox the best version still
If this isn't the most congratulations you played yourself sequence i don't know what is. I can't fathom what you expected the 60fps mode was going to show. It is literally in an unnoticeable difference, a statistical blip.60fps mode in a bar chart perspective.
Soo much better. Really impressive 0.01fps win there.
thelastword
Banned
Same as in Valhalla. PS5 pops a bit more.....Faster streaming of textures, high pixel fillrate, a bigger ram pool unsegregated for consistent bandwidth for volumetrics, alpha et al.....Note the delay on that pink smoke on XSX...
If Valhalla was better on XBOX, that video and others would have been published days ago.....I saw these guys post a million Gears 5 videos, a last gen game with no appreciable difference in side by side visuals even over the XBONEX version. They posted a million Ori videos...All old games, a bunch of wii ports, but remember when they said they had not time to cover Miles Morales or were not interested in doing a video on the PS5 breakdown because Sony has shown nothing....It's all clear as day...
They did in Mark Cerny's "Road to PS5" video.......Legend says, that seven years later from now, we will still be learning and seeing the results encapsulated in games, based on the words he spoke there......The tide that lifts all boats, geometry engine, cache scrubbers, SSD speed, 12 gates IO.....Sound Engine, Haptic Feedback.....You will continue to see games that bring all of this out and you will go back to the video and realize it was all foretold....
Even now, people are surprised. DF might be shocked into deep sleep, maybe cryogenically with brain and body freeze from these PS5 results, certainly different to what they assumed and wanted, but again. Perhaps DF and many others should have listened to logic and real tech talk and extrapolations in the next gen thread than some of their members affiliating themselves with certain FUD discord groups...Show me your friends and I'll tell you who you are....The apple does not fall far from the tree and all that.......Prepare for a mountain of excuse pieces when DF finally caves out.....But yes, Cerny's 1 hour presentation is the deepest and most comprehensive tech talk ever......Everything about the PS5 is there, you just missed it....It's like the bible of PS5, just go listen again and you will find the answers....
VRR does not replace frames. Higher frames is always better, always....If you are playing SF in 120 mode, VRR will not make you win a game, the PS5 player will always have the controller response advantage since it's more performant in the 120Hz mode....
It certainly did and to think, it was the PS5 that was behind......"Sony is silent because they are not ready, RE8 can barely run 1080p 30fps, MS is the king of software, they invented Direct X, Direct X ultimate only on XBOX, the new API has features Sony doesn't have, does PS5 even do Direct ML, it doesn't have that, VRR and VRS are gamechangers, Sony doesn't have them, Halo is the only next gen looking game we've seen so far, Series X will be 4k native 60fps with hardware raytracing, PS5 will be 1440p at best with worse raytracing due to the more powerful hardware raytracing on XBOX......
So many advantages Series X had in hardware and software.....but now, MS the software giant is behind on tools....What should have been a 40-50 fps advantage in software shows a 60fps advantage in certain scenes in PS5 DMCV showdown. There was no need for logic and rational and civilized talk.....All they wanted was to shut down all talk of persons discussing PS5's more intricate hardware details, it's many custom parts which will all said was the right approach and would return dividends...Well here they are.....Truth are not lies, obfuscating truth and trying not to hear sound reasoning and logic, will only cause such persons to continue to wallow in disappointment.....At some point you have to face the reality....Trying to shut down SSD threads, talk of the custom work on PS5, geometry engine, cache scrubbers, haptics, HRTF......Now even MS is going to give Mark Cerny's "road to PS5" many views trying to learn something for their XBOX Series XX, but by then Cerny would have upped the game again for the PS5 PRO......
The software giant which created Direct X and has a new API that smoothlines PC, Mobile and Console development, making it virtually seamless...."That was their pitch anyway" is way behind on that promise and we have to wait.....How long must we wait another 7 years? MS also said current gen would not affect their next gen projects "Halo Inifinite"....We all know, what MS says vs the reality of things.....XBONEX had this direct X chip that would be a gamechanger, Leadbetter parroted that like his life depended on it.....I have never seen so much hype built on fodder dreams, time after time failures, no delivery....Powah of the cloud, kinect transformations, gamepass is a gamechanger.....Titanfall, Evolve, Anthem, Sea of Thieves, Crackdown, Halo Infinite......It just all falls flat.....Too many promises, too much hype, it's like someone hyping you for a prime stake for dinner only to give you a salted cracker with no water to wash that down....
If we had to listen to some folk, 120fps would not be an option on PS5. It can't do 120fps, it has no 120fps games.....Reality I find is always different than FUD.....I can only imagine the performance on such a mode in RE8, after all the performance problems it had on PS5, would be something now innit, If RE8's 120hz mode performs just below Series X, but if it performs better after tall their PS5 problems. It would be something now wouldn't it....So even then, when RE8 was performing worse, all I heard that MS the software company has better tools and a better API, but now suddenly that API that delivered 4k 60fps, whilst PS5 could only muster 1080p sub 30fps, right now that API is behind, can you believe......Not just that example, but that Dolphin guy said Sony's API could not do 120fps, that MS can do 4k 120 fps easily on XBOX, he blamed Sony's tools and hardware, many joined in and claimed the same, he's a dev they said and he speaks the truth, Sony is just behind and are trying to cacthup to MS in hardware and software, hence they had to boost clocks to keep up......but suddenly the new narrative is tools...and who is pushing this. John Linneman and DF on twitter.....I suspect there will lots of "tool talk" in their next faceoff video...They are probably tooling it right now...
The only problem now, is that there is no way to relinquish extra power to devs, there is no kinect to discontinue, neither is there an Snap app to discontinue and give that power back to devs. The slower IO, the split ram pool with a much slower second pool can't be fixed unless there is a new box. They need to clock their CPU higher because their OS needs more CPU power to handle their BC and other features, not talking all the extra CPU overhead their API has for virtually any render or service launch/in memory....So combined all of this and it's not really an efficient machine, more bottlenecks, more anchors all around. So a few more CU's, clocked lower does not begin to tell you half the story....PS systems will always have more CPU cycles available because of a more streamlined OS, too many layer's on MS's OS. 4A games alluded to it in the PS4 days....Yet the CPU power is even more potent on the PS5 now because the speed of the IO decreases the CPU grunt needed in PS5 for many functions at runtime, the API is low level, the cache scrubbers and geometry engine are going to speed up render calls and the single pool of memory can be read into in and out with the fast IO much more speed and efficiency.....This was a console built to run games as fast as possible with high end textures at 4k resolution....So far from what've we've seen PS5's textures, lighting etc pops up much more and forget about all the FUD talk about bandwidth, the biggest strain on a GPU and CPU is running high frames at lower resolutions.....PS5 at 1080p 120hz is easily at pole position, but it should have been known this would be so months ago...It's all in Cerny's "Road to PS5" breakdown....
That's certainly more immersive...
The versions would be the same.....The update numbers on PS vs Xbox are always different....These are technically different platforms, so the number schemes would vary.....The patch notes says it all, common bug fixes would be done on both systems. If one system has an issue and the other does not, it would only be patched on one system...This is how things have been forever...
Maybe your 120Hz mode is not true 120hz. Some Tv's have a 120hz interpolation mode....Not the same as the real thing...
Wait for the tools, just like you had to wait for E3's all of last gen....
PC might be the best way to play gamepass atm......With all these RDNA 2 cards hitting in two days combined with all these gaming leading Ryzen processors in tow.....4k 60hz at the best settings and with raytracing is definitely a possibility....So I imagine your next Forza and Halo Infinite will look better and play much more consistently on PC...So XSX got stomped again. PS5 is the best place to play the best exclusives and the best for of multiplats. XSX is the best place to play Gamepass, I guess.
