Exactly. That's why it won't creatively limit them in their endeavor in any way shape or form.
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MS using The Initiative to make Perfect Dark proves they are completely clueless when it comes to games
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Exactly. That's why it won't creatively limit them in their endeavor in any way shape or form.
Riky
$MSFT
It sold nearly 2.5 million, quite a lot back in the day and it wasn't cheap either with the expansion Pak.
Also we don't know how it did on Xbox.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
OP so blinded by his stupid anger he forgot that The Initiative were allowed to pick the project they wanted to work on. They just happened to want to work on the Perfect Dark IP.
Essentially, OP is asking for censorship through peer pressure and shaming tactics. Lel.
Essentially, OP is asking for censorship through peer pressure and shaming tactics. Lel.
Spying?
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
To be more specific Darrell Gallagher pitched Perfect Dark to Phil, made a new studio(with Datadyne logo) and hired people to make a Perfect Dark game.
TeamGhobad
Banned
I am disappointed that is all, especially when there were rumors that The Initiative was working on a steampunk open world "metroid" game where you play as a duo (man/woman).
at least the xbox one had Titanfall.
stealth mechanics in general. female protagonist. it just isn't something im into.
at least the xbox one had Titanfall.
stealth mechanics in general. female protagonist. it just isn't something im into.
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TeamGhobad
Banned
you also need to be interested in the subject matter, i hear Animal Crossing is the fucking shit, but im not touching that.
prinz_valium
Member
Forcing, yeah
The team wants to do that.
The team wants to do that.
TeamGhobad
Banned
A team that doesn't want to do something new, ya i would be cautious.
Leyasu
Banned
Whatever. But I get the feeling that they could have announced the same thing but had said that it was a new I.P and everyone complaining would have been elated..
TeamGhobad
Banned
a woman spy game? nah thanks, would have been disappointed all the same.
Leyasu
Banned
What about a male lead?
Royal-Slime
Banned
"What they did with Sakaguchi" 13 years (Lost Odyssey) and 14 years ago (Blue Dragon). Do you still live in the 2010s or something? Sakaguchi has been slacking off with mobile games that keep failing and deliver nothing, even if you look at them as if they were indie games. Nothing stops Xbox from giving him a good budget and making an actually good game, not another Game Pass flop. Judging by your hate towards FF XIII, seems like you do live in 2010. Those beautiful-beautiful times when games were aimed only at people with a mentality of white middle-aged straight men who look up to Duke Nukem, have a cutie pie trophie wife and a fridge full of beer. Look up the cover arts for the vast majority of popular games of that time, also at games of PS2 gen when we finally started getting good 3D graphics. If you don't see a pattern there, I don't know what else to tell you. The games that were aimed at the Western audience were revolving around "white middle-aged straight male" audience, it's a fact. The only female protagonists that might have gotten a game would need to be sexualized to not offend all the "strong men" of video games. And there comes FF XIII - a game made by Japanese, people who were making good female characters as far back as the SNES days... a game you were expecting to cater to you and no one else but it didn't. How heartbreaking it might have been that you still remember itYou just said you don't believe 'Microsoft' (really you mean the devs under Microsoft) can make anything new and good, but suggested them to do what they already did with Sakaguchi; which was make something new and good (Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon). Unfortunately, most people who share that sentiment either did not buy it on 360 or are simply Sony fanboys pretending to have bought it when in reality, they were too busy hyping the colossal disappointment that was Final Fantasy 13.
Either way, we're not getting another Sakaguchi epic.
You can still pretend like it's "that special something that's missing from Microsoft's line up" though.
Oh you mean the Chinese copy that looks, feels, plays better and scored higher than everyones favorite Fallout game that Obsidian developed (New Vegas)?
(Which was a multiplat, by the way..)
This place is full of frauds, I swear...
FF XIII is a fantastic game, one of my favorite FF on the same spot with XIV, V and IX. I'm able to separate my opinion (of it being one of the best FF games) from a fact, and the fact is that it is a very well made game which looks and plays fantastic even today. Sorry to break it to you but the word ain't going back to the 2010s and you're going to have to deal with more and more games with strong female protagonists, with characters that aren't all Duke Nukems and stories made for them. Cope. You don't have a choice. Maybe Sony will make you a Days Gone 2 if you'll be a good boy.
Until then, keep playing The Outer Worlds, a game that's stuck in 2010s, very much like you are.
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TeamGhobad
Banned
still nah, just not into stealth games. the only "spy" game i was kinda interested in was COD Cold War but even that turned into just regular COD. I wouldn't mind Spy Game the game but the premise needs to be real life, like infiltrating the Lebanese civil war, or Iraq something thats not futuristic and cartoony, something with a more serious tone.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
So if I'm understanding this correctly...
Perfect Dark is a sci fi, FPS, spy game with a focus on gadgets.
The people that that doesn't appeal to complain about the IP.
"The Initiative is making a huge mistake by not making a game that appeals to my specific interests!"
Perfect Dark is a sci fi, FPS, spy game with a focus on gadgets.
The people that that doesn't appeal to complain about the IP.
"The Initiative is making a huge mistake by not making a game that appeals to my specific interests!"
Radical_3d
Member
Conversation over.
TeamGhobad
Banned
amazing game, played it 2 years straight, loved the combination of single player and MP combined. Infact the MP is superior to titanfall 2.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
No dev would ask to make the new Perfect Dark. Let's be honest.
Radical_3d
Member
TF2 is yet another one of my “I should buy and play this” while I throw hours to no end at Destiny 2.
TheAssist
Member
Yeah I dont get why it has to be this franchise. Lets face it, most people have never played the original. Its too old and somewhat too niche (back in the day console fps's were niche) for that. Also the N64 install base was never huge, so even without these factors not a lot of people could have played it.
Sure it was somewhat innovative at the time, again, since fps's were kinda new on consoles. But it was also almost unplayable without the extra RAM pack (which made it even more niche) and it hasnt aged well.
Just a weird choice
Sure it was somewhat innovative at the time, again, since fps's were kinda new on consoles. But it was also almost unplayable without the extra RAM pack (which made it even more niche) and it hasnt aged well.
Just a weird choice
Radical_3d
Member
You shouldn’t complain about them using this franchise, then. Neither of you. The basically have a name and a new canvas since it won’t replicate the N64 or 360 gameplay. It’s a win win situation for both who want fresh air in the XB ecosystem (lol fresh air, another shooter, I know) and the devs who want to appeal to an existing fan base.
It is what they wanted to make ffs people. Do we want to go back to the Microsoft choosing projects era. I swear some just like to complain about Microsoft to complain. Don forces developers to make games. Neogaf omg Microsoft is the worst they need to allow freedom like Sony. Phil and Matt Booty allow studios to choose games Microsoft is the worst Phil should choose games to be made.
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
Why do all these idiots actually think we care about their borefest?Cope. You don't have a choice. Maybe Sony will make you a Days Gone 2 if you'll be a good boy.
For a game made with limited AA budget and small time frame it was decent. Microsoft acquired a lot talented devs who never had the proper budget and resources they needed(compare Hellblade II trailer with original Hellblade).
It is the highest rated fps(alongside Halo CE)
I'm looking forward to seing this game, but damn.
Perfect Dark
From The Initiative comes Perfect Dark, a secret agent thriller set in a near-future world. A re-imagining of one of the best loved IPs in gaming history.
www.metacritic.com
yurinka
Member
I think it's a good choice because Perfect Dark is one of these popular MS IPs from the past that had some name and even if it had a relatively small number of fans.
A futuristic AAA action adventure shooter with a female lead is something that may work for MS, but if it's a new IP may sound too generic so I think giving it some identity of a somewhat popular IP and an original type of future I think can help it.
Obviously like many old IPs need to be reworked and adapted to the modern times, but I think that very experienced The Initiative team has enough talent to achieve it.
As I remember all the AAA exclusives published by MS to be released in the future outside Halo seem to be next gen only, and according to MS all their games for the first two years or so of the generation will be crossgen. So these next gen only MS AAA exclusives should start releasing late 2022, so I think we'll need to wait at least a year or so until we see real gameplay that looks pretty similar to the final results.
A futuristic AAA action adventure shooter with a female lead is something that may work for MS, but if it's a new IP may sound too generic so I think giving it some identity of a somewhat popular IP and an original type of future I think can help it.
Obviously like many old IPs need to be reworked and adapted to the modern times, but I think that very experienced The Initiative team has enough talent to achieve it.
The Hellblade II trailer it's a great CG, but it's a target video instead of a finished game working on a normal console or gaming PC. I think the Ninjas are very talented and that Hellblade II will look great, but I also highly doubt it will look like that on Series X once we see the game when released in 2 years or so.
As I remember all the AAA exclusives published by MS to be released in the future outside Halo seem to be next gen only, and according to MS all their games for the first two years or so of the generation will be crossgen. So these next gen only MS AAA exclusives should start releasing late 2022, so I think we'll need to wait at least a year or so until we see real gameplay that looks pretty similar to the final results.
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IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
As others have pointed out, the main creative behind this chose it.
Does that make me personally kind of skeptical still? Yes.
Microsoft is being hands off with their studios, but that doesn't really guarantee good games any more than being hands-on would guarantee bad games. We'll just have to wait and see.
Does that make me personally kind of skeptical still? Yes.
Microsoft is being hands off with their studios, but that doesn't really guarantee good games any more than being hands-on would guarantee bad games. We'll just have to wait and see.
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
I don’t believe Bungie left because Microsoft was forcing them to only make Halo. I mean, what is Destiny but Bungie‘s own spiritual successor to Halo (Guardian = Spartan, Ghost = AI, the various alien races are just Halo alien races redone, etc.).
Bungie wanted to own their own IP. Marty O’Donnell reinforced that too. At one point, after a meeting with Activision and some red flags there, Bungie considered going back to Microsoft but Microsoft wanted to own the IP (Destiny) which was a non-starter for Bungie so they ultimately stuck with Activision.
Then you have Bungie folks that came back, including Joe Staten who is working on Halo again. Even Marty said he would consider going back to Halo but Microsoft never asked him to return.
Microsoft also had to allow Bungie to buy themselves back. At the end of the day, the talent that comprised Bungie was going to leave regardless for IP ownership. Microsoft would have just created 343i if Bungie’s issue was Halo. And 343i was built on the idea that developers going to it knew it was the Halo studio and were ok developing Halo in perpetuity.
I also think it’s pretty clear Microsoft and Bungie worked well together. Microsoft knew how to get Bungie to produce great results that I don’t think were seen with Destiny.
I also wouldn’t say Initiative will be *the* Perfect Dark studio just yet. Coalition decided to do that with Gears. Rare can still create its own IP - as that’s what they want to do. And Obsidian nor Double Fine, nor Playground, or Ninja Theory are stuck with one IP. Same goes for ZeniMax (Bethesda Game Studios Online is making its own new MMO IP under Microsoft in addition to maintaining Elder Scrolls Online).
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PooBone
Member
This post/thread sucks.
We know Microsoft choosing games and micro managing studios does not work. Studios are not going to put out great work on a game they hate and with a boss back seat driving. This approach will work out much better in the long run especially with studios with strong leadership like inexile,playground and obsidian entertainment.
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PooBone
Member
Yes
Hezekiah
Banned
"One of the most prestigious franchises in gaming history".It is the highest rated fps(alongside Halo CE)
Perfect Dark
From The Initiative comes Perfect Dark, a secret agent thriller set in a near-future world. A re-imagining of one of the best loved IPs in gaming history.
That's what he said. Mate that's absolute shite and you know it.
Iced Arcade
Member
People bitch when MS doesn't use the Rare IP's and bitch when they use them.
some of you gamers need to get out or at least take some vitamin D caps
some of you gamers need to get out or at least take some vitamin D caps
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Letting creatives do what they want doesn't somehow guarantee better quality.
The most famous story of MS "meddling" is with Lionhead; which pushed Molyneux out.
A guy known for being a huge bullshiter, not coming close to the promises he makes, and who went on to mismanage the next studio he created in embarrassing ways.
I'm hopeful it's gonna work out, but with all the money in the world MS is making a Perfect Dark lead by a guy who for the last 10 years has been been the director over a plethora of sequels of hugely varying quality and commercial success but for the most part all are rather cookie cutter action games.
This is supposed to excite me? MS "not meddling" is probably better, but their competitor clearly has leadership oversseeing their studios "meddling." Just play Sony's games, they have way too many similarities for their not to be some guidance from leadership on what to include in games. And they are doing amazing.
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Fitzchiv
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Movies = Yeh, reboot will be awesome!
TV = Yeh, reboot will be awesome!
Games = OP: "I'm going to scream until I'm sick if this game is shit, or it it's good. I'm letting you know now. Microsoft is the the wrong brand name and Sony is my ego - you are forwarned"
I'm looking forward to it. The same way as I looked forward to Fallout 3 (hit) and to Syndicate (miss), to Deus Ex:HR (hit) and to Thief (miss). That's how the cookie crumbles, grow the fuck up.
TV = Yeh, reboot will be awesome!
Games = OP: "I'm going to scream until I'm sick if this game is shit, or it it's good. I'm letting you know now. Microsoft is the the wrong brand name and Sony is my ego - you are forwarned"
I'm looking forward to it. The same way as I looked forward to Fallout 3 (hit) and to Syndicate (miss), to Deus Ex:HR (hit) and to Thief (miss). That's how the cookie crumbles, grow the fuck up.
Sealord of Braavos
Member
OP needs to take a break from creating threads.
HaveButOneLife
Banned
Think about it, this gives them the opportunity to make Perfect Dark a longstanding Microsoft series, hence why they did it.
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Deleted member 471617
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I'm personally looking forward to seeing The Initiative's version of Perfect Dark and since I never played any of the previous games, I will be going in completely fresh. As far as I know, it's a first person stealth shooter with gadgets. Like Deus Ex/Splinter Cell combination. Would have preferred it to be in third person but I understand why it's not.
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
I think Sony clearly adheres to a formula for their big AAA games. Most are in the narrative cinematic style. While their games are of great quality and amazing games of that type (Last of Us is one of my favorite games of all time), I’d be lying in saying that those games are not getting stale to me.
Microsoft’s various studios (mostly helped by the ZeniMax purchase in addition to the 2018+ studio purchases) has a greater potential of diversity which excites me more.
Initiative though is more than Darrell Gallagher. He’s hired talent from the very best studios (including Naughty Dog and Rockstar), so I think the ceiling is very high for Perfect Dark.
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kyussman
Member
Hey,I'm just happy they are taking their first party seriously.....Xbox One was a bit of a joke from my point of view,nothing to interest me at all.....now we have Perfect Dark,Fable,Avowed and the Bethesda aquisition....all add up to a good reason for me to invest in an Xbox again for the first time since the OG one.
I'll still be picking up a PS5 for most of my gaming...but an Xbox purchase looks pretty likely for me later in the gen.
I'll still be picking up a PS5 for most of my gaming...but an Xbox purchase looks pretty likely for me later in the gen.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Yeah I know they've hired a lot of people; but Gallagher is spearheading the game and came up with the idea of it being in the PD universe.
None of that really excites me; and TBH either do a lot of his hires, as like you the more cinematic stuff from Sony is getting stale for me as well... and their hires appear to be targeting that genre.
I'm still hopeful; but I don't have the rose colored glasses some seem to be looking at MS's studios with.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
If all of that muscle is going into PD and not other unannounced simultaneous games then I agree OP.
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
I’m personally more excited for a fully funded Bethesda Game Studios — as long as Microsoft gives them as much time as they need. If they can give Todd Howard the resources he needs to produce a much less buggy experience than normal BGS games, I’ll be extremely happy. It was clear ZeniMax was okay with giving Howard time but they did have trouble with funding.
Perfect Dark is likely gonna be a cinematic style game, but it will be in first person so it may feel a bit different than an Uncharted or Red Dead. The interview made it sound like they were going for a Mirror’s Edge movement system to me (which I do find exciting if that’s the case). Granted, I’m not the most excited for it (until I see gameplay for it anyway). Your concerns are very fair though. It will probably end up being most similar to Sony’s narrative linear cinematic style games.
The games XBS has that excites me the most are Avowed, Fable, and Starfield right now. I would say Halo as well, but I’m concerned with it. They needed Joe Staten on that day one, and I’m not sure if a year is enough time for him to right the ship. I also am wary of them making it a decade long platform if it’s tied with last gen consoles.
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IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Yeah I hope MS + maybe having one less platform to focus on can help Bethesda release games that are more solid at launch. I actually love Fallout 76 (I only started playing a couple months ago post-many-patches.) I also hope the Bethesda purchase can maybe mean Avowed gets the Bethesda engine, because Outer Worlds bored me largely because it was missing all the little things the Bethesda engine brings.
But I also am not super stoked that Playstation might be missing Bethesda games, so that's not something I really want to cheerlead too much lol I always only play these games on PC though, so the selfish part of me doesn't care that much about that.
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